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Mon Oct 14, 2019, 09:49 PM

Breaking: Bolton instructed aide to report Giuliani pressure campaign to White House lawyer


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Reply Breaking: Bolton instructed aide to report Giuliani pressure campaign to White House lawyer (Original post)
RandySF Oct 2019 OP
liberal N proud Oct 2019 #1
choie Oct 2019 #16
Mr.Bill Oct 2019 #26
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #32
Mr.Bill Oct 2019 #34
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #55
Lock him up. Oct 2019 #49
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #56
CatWoman Oct 2019 #22
triron Oct 2019 #31
Major Nikon Oct 2019 #37
triron Oct 2019 #44
Major Nikon Oct 2019 #50
NJCher Oct 2019 #52
Takket Oct 2019 #36
Drahthaardogs Oct 2019 #54
hlthe2b Oct 2019 #2
TeamPooka Oct 2019 #30
OldRed2450 Oct 2019 #3
UpInArms Oct 2019 #4
OldRed2450 Oct 2019 #6
elleng Oct 2019 #8
Mr.Bill Oct 2019 #28
hlthe2b Oct 2019 #5
dem4decades Oct 2019 #7
elleng Oct 2019 #9
RandySF Oct 2019 #11
dem4decades Oct 2019 #12
The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #13
elleng Oct 2019 #15
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #38
elleng Oct 2019 #40
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #41
NCLefty Oct 2019 #46
Zambero Oct 2019 #39
Renew Deal Oct 2019 #19
elleng Oct 2019 #21
True Blue American Oct 2019 #51
tanyev Oct 2019 #10
Renew Deal Oct 2019 #20
MontanaMama Oct 2019 #14
The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #17
herding cats Oct 2019 #18
Mr.Bill Oct 2019 #29
herding cats Oct 2019 #47
Laura PourMeADrink Oct 2019 #42
herding cats Oct 2019 #48
BigmanPigman Oct 2019 #23
Marcuse Oct 2019 #24
pangaia Oct 2019 #33
Sogo Oct 2019 #25
sweetloukillbot Oct 2019 #43
tulipsandroses Oct 2019 #27
pangaia Oct 2019 #35
NJCher Oct 2019 #53
nolabear Oct 2019 #45

Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 09:51 PM

1. As evil as Bolton is, there must be a line he will not cross

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:05 PM

16. yeah too bad he didn't have the ethical backbone

to be a whistleblower himself.

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Response to choie (Reply #16)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:33 PM

26. Maybe he has. n/t

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #26)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:40 PM

32. Just reminds me how we all thought "oh don't worry about

that, Mueller looking at everything! He's got it all diagrammed on a giant whole board." He did not. Taught me - never ever assume there are secret good things that only one person knows about and none of the rest of us do. Countless times people said Pelosi had this super secret info on trump that no one else knew about. She did not. Luckily trump did a worse thing than before. Glad he did so all (most all) Dems united now.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #32)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:43 PM

34. Remember, though,

we have not seen the Mueller report. We have seen the redacted Mueller report, after Barr redacted it.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #34)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 10:03 AM

55. Good point. Don't even think he was allowed to

Finish. Yet what kind of man doesn't let us know that and clams up.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #32)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 12:58 AM

49. That case was not in (Comey's first then) Mueller's mandate.

And Barr shut it down after pressuring Mueller he did not have the authority to indict Drumph on obstruction (but Congress does). Then Barr redacted it and mis-represented it to the public. Also, we don't yet know if articles of impeachment based on those crimes will be added to the case for a House vote.

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Response to Lock him up. (Reply #49)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 10:03 AM

56. All true points.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:13 PM

22. lol

who woulda thought?

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:39 PM

31. Which is? Looks to me like he was trying to misguide.

Why a WH lawyer??

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Response to triron (Reply #31)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:48 PM

37. Because they work for the government, not for Trump

If he told them of criminal activity, they would have no choice but to report it to the DOJ.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #37)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 11:19 PM

44. This is delusional. They may ideally work of the government but in reality they work for Trump.

Report it to whom in Trump's DOJ? Barr?

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Response to triron (Reply #44)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 01:39 AM

50. You think Bolton gives a fuck?

As soon as he tells the WH counsel, his hands are clean. It’s his get out of jail free card.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #37)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 04:09 AM

52. Right

They are officers of the court. Most likely would not risk losing their license to practice over trump.

There are exceptions, of course, notably Bahr.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #1)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:47 PM

36. He wouldn't betray his country for drumpf's personal gain

He isn’t a traitor, it is just that everything he wants to do to HELP America is wrong.

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Response to liberal N proud (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 07:27 AM

54. He doesn't see himself as evil. He sees himself

As the smartest and most honest guy in the room. He's gonna sing like a canary.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 09:51 PM

2. "Drug Deal?" ... is this a euphemism?

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #2)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:38 PM

30. and Mulvaney. Love that Bolton just dragged him into this. :)

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 09:51 PM

3. I unsubscribed to NYT in 2016

 

Can someone brief me on the article?

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Response to OldRed2450 (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 09:54 PM

4. Fairly brief article

Mr. Bolton instructed Fiona Hill, the senior director for Russian and Eurasian affairs, to notify the chief lawyer for the National Security Council that Mr. Giuliani was working with Mick Mulvaney, the acting White House chief of staff, on a rogue operation with legal implications, Ms. Hill told the investigators, according to two people familiar with her closed-door testimony.
“I am not part of whatever drug deal Rudy and Mulvaney are cooking up,” Mr. Bolton, a Yale-trained lawyer, told Ms. Hill to tell White House lawyers, according to the testimony.

It was not the first time Mr. Bolton expressed grave concerns to Ms. Hill about Mr. Giuliani. “Giuliani’s a hand grenade who’s going to blow everybody up,” Ms. Hill quoted Mr. Bolton saying during an earlier conversation.

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Response to UpInArms (Reply #4)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 09:56 PM

6. Thank you!

 

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Response to OldRed2450 (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 09:57 PM

8. 'The effort to pressure Ukraine for political help provoked a heated confrontation

inside the White House last summer that so alarmed John R. Bolton, then the national security adviser, that he told an aide to alert White House lawyers, House investigators were told on Monday.

Mr. Bolton got into a sharp exchange on July 10 with Gordon D. Sondland, the Trump donor turned ambassador to the European Union, who was working with Rudolph W. Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, to press Ukraine to investigate Democrats, according to testimony provided to the investigators.

Mr. Bolton instructed Fiona Hill, the senior director for Russian and Eurasian affairs, to notify the chief lawyer for the National Security Council that Mr. Giuliani was working with Mick Mulvaney, the acting White House chief of staff, on a rogue operation with legal implications, Ms. Hill told the investigators, according to two people familiar with her closed-door testimony.

“I am not part of whatever drug deal Rudy and Mulvaney are cooking up,” Mr. Bolton, a Yale-trained lawyer, told Ms. Hill to tell White House lawyers, according to the testimony.

It was not the first time Mr. Bolton expressed grave concerns to Ms. Hill about Mr. Giuliani. “Giuliani’s a hand grenade who’s going to blow everybody up,” Ms. Hill quoted Mr. Bolton saying during an earlier conversation.'

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Response to elleng (Reply #8)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:36 PM

28. It's starting to look like Rudy probably ran

interference for Trump in NYC while he was mayor. Trump thought Rudy could do the same on an international level, but Rudy was way out of his league here.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 09:55 PM

5. I guess Bolton is just about to get his own subpoena... hmm

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 09:56 PM

7. Ambassador Mcfaul was on this afternoon and he described people within

The government that are there to protect the nation and constitution.

He explicitly included Bolton in that group of people

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #7)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 09:58 PM

9. Interesting, that Bolton's a good guy.

OK with me, if it's true.

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Response to elleng (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:01 PM

11. He's not.

It's like Jason stopping Freddy.

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Response to elleng (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:03 PM

12. Well that's going a little overboard. But apparently he's for the

Rule of law. I could imagine that all the people who work in the State Department have a sense of loyalty to the country and each other, not to Donald Trump's pocket book

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Response to elleng (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:04 PM

13. Maybe just a little less bad.

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #13)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:05 PM

15. OK, I'll accept that, 'a little less bad'

than he's been for all these past years.

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Response to elleng (Reply #15)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:48 PM

38. Made me laugh. But have always thought there were

different people unlike us idealogically that weren't rotten to the core. (Scarborough comes to mind). But, it's all relative to trump et al now. I still despise Romney but he's not a super evil monster.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #38)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:51 PM

40. IMO there are lots, we never thought of them as rotten to the core

and now we should appreciate them, and especially those who are 'breaking' out of their 'rotten' shell.

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Response to elleng (Reply #40)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 11:00 PM

41. Yet I think how would this trump family who was brand new

to government know about back channels to foreign governments? like Kushner did? Wasn't that like on day 1?

Makes me think the corruption had to be fully in place and operational in the GOP already. And why hasn't there been a Democrat...any democratic who overheard bad things in the halls of Congress? In the gym, wherever. Or any decent republican for that matter.

Bottom line regular people are 100% bamboozled.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #38)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 11:42 PM

46. Romney is still helping protect the criminal in our White House from impeachment.

In fact, between the two of them, it is TRUMP who has called for ROMNEY'S impeachment!

What should we call those who protect the super evil monster?

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Response to elleng (Reply #15)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:50 PM

39. An Institutionalist...

whose foreign policy ideas you hope are never implemented.

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Response to elleng (Reply #9)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:09 PM

19. He wasn't "good" until he quit

Then he started to talk. Though I guess you could attribute leaks to him.

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Response to Renew Deal (Reply #19)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:11 PM

21. Right

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 02:59 AM

51. Bolton may have a reputation

As a war hawk but it appears he cares more about his country than the gang of thieves we now have in the WhiteHouse.

It would e almost funny if the disliked man brought the whole thing down. Before this is over with we will know much more.

Schiff was smart enough to bar the weasel Gaetz yesterday. He is smarter than, Gaetz, Gym, Meadows put together! Along with Trump, Mulvaney, Pence and Barr. Barr can not stop Adam or Nancy!

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 09:58 PM

10. Bolton's revenge.

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Response to tanyev (Reply #10)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:10 PM

20. Seems to

At least to me...

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:04 PM

14. Bolton has always wanted

to blow something sky high...did he get his wish?

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Response to MontanaMama (Reply #14)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:07 PM

17. He might get to participate in the blowing up of the Trump presidency.

Bolton's desire to blow something up might be fulfilled, and in a good way for a change.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:09 PM

18. Bolton was smarter than them.

I'm not surprised to see it revealed, I've called him lot of things but never blindly stupid. Where as Trump's toadies are a bunch of low IQ cons who've gotten away with it due to their names and connections. They assumed they were invisible. Bolton knows how to extract revenge. Giuliani is going down, and hopefully this will perk up the ladder.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #18)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:38 PM

29. No one has ever called Bolton stupid.

An asshole, yes, but not stupid.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #29)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 12:08 AM

47. Exactly.

Trump took him in his fold and didn't realize he's evil but not an idiot and he has a real will to survive.

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Response to herding cats (Reply #18)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 11:02 PM

42. Yet I don't want Rudy. I want trump

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #42)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 12:09 AM

48. If I were a betting woman...

I'd put money on Bolton being removed linking all this directly back to Trump.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:15 PM

23. Will Mulvaney be asked to tsetify?

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:22 PM

24. Regime Change

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Response to Marcuse (Reply #24)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:43 PM

33. Lolololol

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:23 PM

25. As I'm listening to the 11th Hour just now, it occurred to me that,

unbelievably, John Bolton could become the John Dean of Ukraine/Turkey-gate....

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Response to Sogo (Reply #25)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 11:03 PM

43. I saw a Tweet today...

Said something like "I'll be so pissed if John Bolton is the one who save's the country."

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:35 PM

27. Thinking back to the smirk on Pompeo's face after Bolton was out

Intersting turn of events

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 10:44 PM

35. I swear, as terrible as it all is, it's like the Keystone Cops running tge Kremlin.

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Response to pangaia (Reply #35)

Tue Oct 15, 2019, 07:10 AM

53. Yep

See post 18.

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Response to RandySF (Original post)

Mon Oct 14, 2019, 11:33 PM

45. ...

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