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Army National Guard Major advocates nuclear civil war... (Original Post) brooklynite Oct 2019 OP
"Obviously this man is a psychotic" eom Dirty Socialist Oct 2019 #1
Hopefully a psychotic hmanne Oct 2019 #5
Well, I wouldn't want to judge him before all the facts are in. Kid Berwyn Oct 2019 #10
That is terrifying. Srkdqltr Oct 2019 #2
I wonder if he has any idea Newest Reality Oct 2019 #3
Well said. This "educated commisioned officer" is a dumbass wrt to nuclear weapons. nt iluvtennis Oct 2019 #28
Yes, Newest Reality Oct 2019 #39
People like him are so filled with hate that even education doesn't pierce their insanity. Blue_true Oct 2019 #45
I'm sure these nuts have always been there.. mountain grammy Oct 2019 #4
His Illegitimacy has also expressed interest in using nuclear weapons. GoCubsGo Oct 2019 #9
Yes, very true and terrifying. mountain grammy Oct 2019 #11
Yes, and wind taking fallout from multiple nuclear blasts could blanket the country and last for... brush Oct 2019 #26
Not just the whole country. GoCubsGo Oct 2019 #31
That's the premise of "On the Beach," a 1957 post-apocalyptic novel by Nevil Schute. nt tblue37 Oct 2019 #41
They clearly don't understand the concept of nuclear winter. Blue_true Oct 2019 #46
Mercer believes nuclear fallout is safe. BadgerMom Oct 2019 #42
Lock him up! smirkymonkey Oct 2019 #6
Lock him up for what? hmanne Oct 2019 #15
I agree - somewhat - with you. packman Oct 2019 #19
I wholeheartedly agree with you, hmanne Oct 2019 #20
The one gratifying thing is that whistleblowers in the military outted his ass. Blue_true Oct 2019 #48
Outside of the military he is still a private citizen Tiggeroshii Oct 2019 #55
The first amendment does not cover shouting "FIRE" in a crowded theater. -_O_- Oct 2019 #21
Wrong. hmanne Oct 2019 #22
He should be discharged from the reserves. Blue_true Oct 2019 #47
Agreed. hmanne Oct 2019 #50
Disagreed. Tiggeroshii Oct 2019 #56
There is a difference between a reserve military member calling out a superior Blue_true Oct 2019 #58
Ucmj covers both. If ucmj does not apply, you cannot pick and choose. Tiggeroshii Oct 2019 #60
Well, now, Major. Where do you live? MineralMan Oct 2019 #7
"Nuclear war wiping out all major cities" kind of says it all... Wounded Bear Oct 2019 #17
Somewhere where he thinks it won't affect him, hmanne Oct 2019 #18
Fort Benning, Georgia keithbvadu2 Oct 2019 #27
Incredibly stupid and ignorant, on top of being incredibly batshit crazy. GoCubsGo Oct 2019 #8
He can only be sent to prison for violating laws civilian or military. Blue_true Oct 2019 #49
give... myohmy2 Oct 2019 #12
This fuckstick has no place in the military. hmanne Oct 2019 #16
He has no place in normal society. GoCubsGo Oct 2019 #33
He does have the right to spout his nonsense, hmanne Oct 2019 #37
"I love the smell of napalm in the morning." Lt. Col. Bill Kilgore Cerridwen Oct 2019 #13
He Gone! Baked Potato Oct 2019 #14
Our next Sec Def. lpbk2713 Oct 2019 #23
That would be funny if it weren't so close to the truth. nt. hmanne Oct 2019 #24
Meldrim Thompson, erstwhile Governor of NH.... getagrip_already Oct 2019 #25
Not racist though! czarjak Oct 2019 #29
You missed reference to "bugmen". Dehumanizing people is prep for genocide. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #35
You missed the sarcasm? czarjak Oct 2019 #64
Dehumanizing? A strong isn't it? Hestia Oct 2019 #65
No. Dehumanizing. Are you a bug? Do you aspire to be crushed like a cockroach? Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #66
Jack D. Ripper Nitram Oct 2019 #30
What a piece of shit! LW1977 Oct 2019 #32
End-times suicidal maniac; hence wants Israel nuked too. Dominionist (Pencian) eschatology. . . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Oct 2019 #34
Soon to be former Major Poole. roamer65 Oct 2019 #36
He seems nice.. dixiechiken1 Oct 2019 #38
He needs to lose everything in the military LiberalFighter Oct 2019 #40
Nitpick alert sarisataka Oct 2019 #43
Ucmj only applies when on duty, right? Tiggeroshii Oct 2019 #54
In general that is correct sarisataka Oct 2019 #57
If it occurred while on duty, there is no question it can be a violation. Tiggeroshii Oct 2019 #61
Yes, if he is on active duty sarisataka Oct 2019 #62
Right. It just irks me when people get bent out of shape when somebody says something they dont like Tiggeroshii Oct 2019 #63
I'm curious how much of this he showed the real world Sapient Donkey Oct 2019 #44
Major Poole apparently knows zip about nuclear radiation and fallout. VOX Oct 2019 #51
This nutjob knows better... Thomas Hurt Oct 2019 #52
Well, enjoy the nuclear fallout. n/t Downtown Hound Oct 2019 #53
There goes the rest of the NFL season. Captain Zero Oct 2019 #59

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
3. I wonder if he has any idea
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 09:30 AM
Oct 2019

about the many destructive effects of nuclear explosions, both short and long-term or EMP? I'll bet more average, ever day people do.

That is both a both a completely ridiculous and extremely dangerous thing to say.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
39. Yes,
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 12:23 PM
Oct 2019

I suggest decommissioning.

I would like to put him in a room and have him listen to an audio version of the book, Hiroshima, over and over for several days.

And that doesn't even take into account the sensitive electronics we now depend on. The EMP would throw the surrounding areas within a given distance from each detonation into the Stone Age immediately.

Oh well.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
45. People like him are so filled with hate that even education doesn't pierce their insanity.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 01:18 PM
Oct 2019

If major US cities are nuked, the whole country and the world are dead. That fool won't be able to hide in a bunker in the countryside and live like he thinks he will be able to.

mountain grammy

(26,552 posts)
4. I'm sure these nuts have always been there..
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 09:32 AM
Oct 2019

it's just so much worse when the country has an illegitimate president who is also nuts.

GoCubsGo

(32,053 posts)
9. His Illegitimacy has also expressed interest in using nuclear weapons.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 10:06 AM
Oct 2019

These morons have no fucking clue. They think that detonating one of these weapons causes a big explosion, and then it's over. No clue as to things like fallout, air currents, etc. It's "The Idiocracy" meets "Mad Max."

brush

(53,331 posts)
26. Yes, and wind taking fallout from multiple nuclear blasts could blanket the country and last for...
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 11:53 AM
Oct 2019

who knows how long? What craziness.

GoCubsGo

(32,053 posts)
31. Not just the whole country.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 12:04 PM
Oct 2019

The whole world. Bikini Atoll is still uninhabitable 70 years after the fact, and will remain that way for millenia. The Chernobyl accident contaminated a huge part of Europe. That was just from one reactor incident. How much of its "exclusion zone" will never become inhabitable again? None of it. Imagine multiplying that by taking out all of the American cities with bombs that contain even more contamination. This imbecile thinks a nuclear winter is a "great rebirth"? His stupidity is mind-boggling.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
46. They clearly don't understand the concept of nuclear winter.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 01:23 PM
Oct 2019

If a fairly small number of nukes are detonated, nuclear winter blankets the earth and lasts for so many years that all of our known energy supplies would get depleted, then the frigid cold will kill anything that managed to survive to the point of energy depletion.

BadgerMom

(2,765 posts)
42. Mercer believes nuclear fallout is safe.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 12:41 PM
Oct 2019

Thanks to Mercer and, probably Breitbart, his mouthpiece, this thinking is out there in the culture. Mercer—billionaire oligarch and science denier.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
6. Lock him up!
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 09:50 AM
Oct 2019

Fucking psycho! This is what 30 years of hate radio has brought us. Not that these people weren't unbalanced to begin with, but it has directed their resentment and fury toward everything decent in this society. Someone like this should not be allowed to own weapons or even be walking the streets IMO.

 

hmanne

(92 posts)
15. Lock him up for what?
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 10:49 AM
Oct 2019

For expressing an opinion, however repugnant it may be?

He's nuts, no doubt about that, but he does have a 1st amend. right to say this shit.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
19. I agree - somewhat - with you.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 11:22 AM
Oct 2019

He has a right to say any shit he wants. THE POINT is that he is in the military and in an authoritative position as an officer. As such his words carry weight and consequences far beyond what you and I may spout out. Frankly it scares the shit out of me when a supposedly leader of any military branch says such things.



He should either resign or be fired.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
48. The one gratifying thing is that whistleblowers in the military outted his ass.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 01:31 PM
Oct 2019

That causes me to sleep better at night.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
55. Outside of the military he is still a private citizen
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 02:18 PM
Oct 2019

Entirely. Ucmj only applies when on duty as i understand it.

 

hmanne

(92 posts)
22. Wrong.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 11:32 AM
Oct 2019

It does cover shouting fire in a theater if you reasonably believe that there is a fire.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
47. He should be discharged from the reserves.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 01:28 PM
Oct 2019

His "views" are uneducated and dangerous and should not be held by an active or reserve leader in our military.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
56. Disagreed.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 02:23 PM
Oct 2019

Outside of the military he is a private citizen not representative of his branch or the us government. If this were the case, Representative Ted Lieu -a lt colonel in the US Air Force Reserves, who has said a ton of insulting remarks about the commander in chief, would have been court martialed a long time ago.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
58. There is a difference between a reserve military member calling out a superior
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 02:37 PM
Oct 2019

in a role as a civilian and a reserve military officer fantasizing about mass murder. The two are NOT the same and to imply so is somewhat tone deaf. If Ted Lieu said that a nuke should be dropped on the White House or on a CPAC conference, there would be no way that I would be comfortable with him - but he has not and likely will not and most likely don't believe in espousing such hatred.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
60. Ucmj covers both. If ucmj does not apply, you cannot pick and choose.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 03:05 PM
Oct 2019

Last edited Sun Oct 13, 2019, 03:44 PM - Edit history (1)

On edit: it sounds like this happended on active duty, in which case ucmj definitely applies.

 

hmanne

(92 posts)
18. Somewhere where he thinks it won't affect him,
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 10:57 AM
Oct 2019

apparently he knows nothing about the aftereffects of a nuclear explosion.

keithbvadu2

(36,305 posts)
27. Fort Benning, Georgia
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 11:57 AM
Oct 2019

"Poole, who goes by Jeff, is an operations officer at the 98th Training Division at Fort Benning, Georgia, an initial entry unit for Army Reserve soldiers, an Army Reserve spokesman confirmed."

Savannah - Atlanta - Augusta - Columbus - bye, bye

"He also mentioned planning to retire from the Army at 20 years."

https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/10/11/cid-investigating-whether-army-infantry-officer-called-for-mass-murder-and-destruction-amid-racist-anti-government-reddit-screeds/

GoCubsGo

(32,053 posts)
8. Incredibly stupid and ignorant, on top of being incredibly batshit crazy.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 10:00 AM
Oct 2019

What a horrible, dangerous mix. "Healthy reset"??? I guess this fuckstick never heard of nuclear fallout? Hopefully, this stupid, hateful sack of shit have plenty of time in prison to watch "The Day After", "Threads", the various documentaries on Hiroshima, Nagasaki, the Nevada Test Site, Chernobyl, etc., about why obliterating cities with nuclear weapons won't just kill the people he doesn't like.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
49. He can only be sent to prison for violating laws civilian or military.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 01:35 PM
Oct 2019

Being an ignorant fuck that spout off incomprehensible shit unfortunately is not illegal in our country.

myohmy2

(3,118 posts)
12. give...
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 10:29 AM
Oct 2019

...this guy the boot...

...we don't need anyone like him in the military...

...we don't need anyone like him near any form of weaponry, military or civilian...

...Major no less...unbelievable...

...

 

hmanne

(92 posts)
37. He does have the right to spout his nonsense,
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 12:10 PM
Oct 2019

but he can do it in civilian life instead of the military.

Cerridwen

(13,251 posts)
13. "I love the smell of napalm in the morning." Lt. Col. Bill Kilgore
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 10:34 AM
Oct 2019

Apocalypse Now - played by Robert Duvall

I heard a saying recently; "repair or repeat." Essentially, fix a problem or keep having the same problem.

Another saying; "history repeats itself."

I think we need to start repairing rather than just remembering history.

Your mileage may vary.

getagrip_already

(14,078 posts)
25. Meldrim Thompson, erstwhile Governor of NH....
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 11:53 AM
Oct 2019

Once advocated for the National Guard to be issued tactical nuclear weapons. It was a stupid idea even back then.

 

Hestia

(3,818 posts)
65. Dehumanizing? A strong isn't it?
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 05:35 PM
Oct 2019

bugmen

Nietzschean word to describe the opposite of the ubermenschen. Men who have no spiritual passion or greater vision or drive outside of hedonistic pleasures and consumerism.

https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=bugmen

Applies to 75% of the people, wouldn't you think?

Bernardo de La Paz

(48,603 posts)
66. No. Dehumanizing. Are you a bug? Do you aspire to be crushed like a cockroach?
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 06:33 PM
Oct 2019

You are deluded if you think the deplorables the tweet was aimed at read Nietzsche.

sarisataka

(18,145 posts)
43. Nitpick alert
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 12:53 PM
Oct 2019

He is attached to the Army Reserve, not the National Guard. They are different entities.

He appears to be a candidate for Article 133

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
54. Ucmj only applies when on duty, right?
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 02:15 PM
Oct 2019

Otherwise ted lieu would have been court martialed a long time ago.

sarisataka

(18,145 posts)
57. In general that is correct
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 02:30 PM
Oct 2019

There is the possibility that off duty conduct could fall under the UCMJ but there would have to be a direct connection to the military. Such occurrences are rare.

In this case however I believe the major is on the active duty staff of a Reserve training unit. As such he is subject to the UCMJ.

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
61. If it occurred while on duty, there is no question it can be a violation.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 03:07 PM
Oct 2019

But I hope people can distinguish beteween how being in each role will apply differently

sarisataka

(18,145 posts)
62. Yes, if he is on active duty
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 03:25 PM
Oct 2019

UCMJ applies 24/7. If he is Reserve it applies while on duty (weekends and yearly two weeks), while on orders to additional active duty and other limited situations related to military service. Example, while in Reserve status I would participate in Toys for Tots events. During that time I was subject to the UCMJ, even though I was on "my" time and not under orders.

If the major is a reservist and wasn't on duty when he made the posts, it would be difficult to charge him under the UCMJ. His posts could be considered during review for promotion

 

Tiggeroshii

(11,088 posts)
63. Right. It just irks me when people get bent out of shape when somebody says something they dont like
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 03:37 PM
Oct 2019

And immediately call for the person to be held criminally liable, when that is more then likely not possible. It happened in my unit all the time. Some soldier would say something bad about the president while not on any kind of duty (and in the national guard), so the first seargent (who is apparently attached to that persons social media account) gives an angry tirade to the unit about how he notified jag and you cant do that sort of thing, etc etc...

Sapient Donkey

(1,568 posts)
44. I'm curious how much of this he showed the real world
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 01:09 PM
Oct 2019

His online rantings sound like the words of a terrorist. I wonder if he ever tried to organize anything with like-minded people who served under him. His position of power is pretty concerning if so. Even if kept this all online, this has to be enough to at least get him out of the military, right?

VOX

(22,976 posts)
51. Major Poole apparently knows zip about nuclear radiation and fallout.
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 01:50 PM
Oct 2019

If his demented wish ever came true, there wouldn’t be much left to “reset.”

Ignorant, insane, racist, anti-Semitic, fantasizing about the death of millions... this Army Reserve major is the perfect laboratory specimen of a Trumpist.

Thomas Hurt

(13,903 posts)
52. This nutjob knows better...
Sun Oct 13, 2019, 01:51 PM
Oct 2019

this is just the way he expresses his christofascist hatred. You know those cities full of liberals and brown folks.

Not to mention the latest cause de fascisti, the homeless.

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