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scheming daemons

(25,487 posts)
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 11:42 AM Oct 2019

Adam Schiff is wrong

"America may not have a friend left after this presidency. " - Adam Schiff



When we get rid of Trump.... we will find an ENORMOUS amount of goodwill among other countries who will want to be our friend again.


Believe that.

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Adam Schiff is wrong (Original Post) scheming daemons Oct 2019 OP
Don't count on it, Disaffected Oct 2019 #1
this is so true Celerity Oct 2019 #3
Right. They will always be distrustful that we could be demented enough Kahuna7 Oct 2019 #7
The atrocity of bush the dumber,.. magicarpet Oct 2019 #29
+1 krawhitham Oct 2019 #15
I don't believe it. Newest Reality Oct 2019 #2
There might be a great deal of relief when Trump is gone, but much of the world will RockRaven Oct 2019 #4
Wishful thinking DrToast Oct 2019 #5
Only if we immediately undo all that the GOP has done in the last 3+ years RainCaster Oct 2019 #6
It will take at least the first four years shanti Oct 2019 #8
And that will be dependant Wellstone ruled Oct 2019 #10
Begin with a heartfelt apology to every State Dept employee Trump let got RainCaster Oct 2019 #18
Thought about this a couple years ago. Wellstone ruled Oct 2019 #20
Not for some time. Trust is not so readily reclaimed when there have been NO changes hlthe2b Oct 2019 #9
Once betrayed ....... MFGsunny Oct 2019 #11
We'll have to work for it lame54 Oct 2019 #12
I would hope that our allies recognize Mme. Defarge Oct 2019 #13
+1000 emmaverybo Oct 2019 #27
I used to say that too, when Chump first won FakeNoose Oct 2019 #14
I propose to the American people, if concerned about FP and relations, elect Biden, Obama's VP. emmaverybo Oct 2019 #30
I think we'll be okay. phylny Oct 2019 #16
Not really because another "trump" could happen. ecstatic Oct 2019 #17
R.I.P. U.S.A. 1776 - 2016 Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #21
Unlike Democrats, other countries will not just blame Donald Trump. kentuck Oct 2019 #19
It is the American people's fault. Mainly, the NON VOTERS. n/t CousinIT Oct 2019 #24
I believe they bdamomma Oct 2019 #28
No they won't. No one will ever trust the US again. OliverQ Oct 2019 #22
America had better enact a slew of new laws after Trump to make ABSOLUTELY certain CousinIT Oct 2019 #23
We'll have friends, but the question is about trust now. n/t cynatnite Oct 2019 #25
We will only have friends FormerOstrich Oct 2019 #26

Disaffected

(4,547 posts)
1. Don't count on it,
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 11:48 AM
Oct 2019

everyone is well aware that the next Republican president/congress will reappear sooner or later.

Kahuna7

(2,531 posts)
7. Right. They will always be distrustful that we could be demented enough
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 11:59 AM
Oct 2019

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to "elect" another trump.

magicarpet

(14,122 posts)
29. The atrocity of bush the dumber,..
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 07:30 PM
Oct 2019

Then elected bush to another term.

Okay, okay, we learned our lesson.

Obama for 8 years.

Then along comes the atrocity of trDump.

If the world trusts America to install thoughtful, intelligent, capable, ethical,
incorruptible, and accountable leaders the world would have to be nuts. Without question our immediate behavior and history indicates we would be inclined to do otherwise.

The reluctance of the world to trust the USA is understandable.

Newest Reality

(12,712 posts)
2. I don't believe it.
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 11:48 AM
Oct 2019

That would be great and I would be all for it.

There may be some cases of a return to a "friendship" as an attitude depending on the context, but it is going to take a long time, much diplomacy, and a decent and credible President, as well as other factors to establish trust and make strong alliances again. For now, we are going in the opposite direction and even more damage can be done.

Take the statement from Trump about the escaping ISIS prisoners going to Europe. That's friendly? That's sending and wishing them terrorism in their homelands, and that's just one example.

So, maybe the word friend is ambiguous and might even differ from what is implied here and, to me beliefs are an aside.

RockRaven

(14,907 posts)
4. There might be a great deal of relief when Trump is gone, but much of the world will
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 11:55 AM
Oct 2019

believe that this episode was merely the USA showing it's true stripes. We will still have a national legislature half-filled by people who enabled Trump's worst behavior at every turn. We will still have a judiciary full of life-appointed zealots whose world view is incomprehensible to many. Trump's behavior was so extreme that the polite fictions about US values and such failed to hold together, and in doing so exposed to the world how deep the rot is in our society and how unreliable our government is. There is no putting that back in the bottle.

DrToast

(6,414 posts)
5. Wishful thinking
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 11:57 AM
Oct 2019

Countries will always wonder if another Trump is just 4 years away.

It will take a very, very long time to undo the damage Trump has done.

RainCaster

(10,842 posts)
6. Only if we immediately undo all that the GOP has done in the last 3+ years
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 11:59 AM
Oct 2019

That is the only way we can recover from this on the world stage. We must publicly acknowledge that (as a country) we were wrong and we are doing everything possible to right all those wrongs ASAP.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
8. It will take at least the first four years
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 12:02 PM
Oct 2019

of a Dem presidency, to erase and fix the stink that will be left from Chump. I hope someone is making a list of all of it.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
10. And that will be dependant
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 12:07 PM
Oct 2019

on whom is appointed to various Foreign Agencies. It is all about Trust.

RainCaster

(10,842 posts)
18. Begin with a heartfelt apology to every State Dept employee Trump let got
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 02:27 PM
Oct 2019

Bring them all back, with an across the board raise. Charge that to the GOP.

 

Wellstone ruled

(34,661 posts)
20. Thought about this a couple years ago.
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 02:51 PM
Oct 2019

Had two Childhood Friends who spent their lives working in the State Department Foreign Service Division. Each one would say,it is all about trust,and you never crossed a counter part in the Country you served in.

hlthe2b

(102,138 posts)
9. Not for some time. Trust is not so readily reclaimed when there have been NO changes
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 12:05 PM
Oct 2019

in our system to ensure at least a minimum of continuity between administrations and to ensure another Trump will not take over again in coming elections with none to minimal restraints and oversight.

MFGsunny

(2,356 posts)
11. Once betrayed .......
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 12:07 PM
Oct 2019

I've heard it said that trust is much like a mirror.
Once broken, we may be successful in "fixing" it,
but the cracks will still always show.

Mme. Defarge

(8,014 posts)
13. I would hope that our allies recognize
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 01:16 PM
Oct 2019

that our country has been attacked by a malevolent and power hungry foreign adversary and will stand by us as we have stood by them in past global conflagrations.

FakeNoose

(32,596 posts)
14. I used to say that too, when Chump first won
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 01:37 PM
Oct 2019

But after 3 years of GOP/Chump fuckery - I'm not saying it any more. We have burned our friends and allies in awful ways. We will need to do everything possible earn back to their friendship and trust.

I would propose to the next President to nominate Barack Obama as our Secretary of State. Obama has enough good will and reputation left that he could actually get our friends back, but it will be very hard work.

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
30. I propose to the American people, if concerned about FP and relations, elect Biden, Obama's VP.
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 07:41 PM
Oct 2019

Obama took him on for his FP experience and entrusted him with post-war Iraq, a big deal. Biden has respect and stature on the world stage and an unmatched resume in world affairs.

No time for OTJT in this most crucial area. Other candidates are not even very interested. Our party has not been sufficiently interested.

As Joe showed in his FP speech, issues are interconnected—climate change and FP, for instance. We are interdependent with our allies and we must be prepared for our enemies.

I am sure Biden could get the best crew to work on the many problems we have neglected and relationships we have made a mess of. From Secretary of State to rebuilding the state department, he will draw best and brightest. The candidate who was nearest to Obama and thoroughly schooled and up to date in these perilous times is Biden.











phylny

(8,368 posts)
16. I think we'll be okay.
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 02:05 PM
Oct 2019

We just came back from Italy, where we visited many cities. Every Italian we spoke to hates Trump but loves Americans. The only person we met who liked Trump was - go figure - a Chinese man who works in the U.S. for a big investment firm that works for the wealthy. He thinks the president is "doing the right thing."

ecstatic

(32,653 posts)
17. Not really because another "trump" could happen.
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 02:11 PM
Oct 2019

With or without trump, I have doubts about the future of this country.

Our elections are still not secure, the nation is too divided, and half the country is too ignorant.

Democracy requires a well informed populace.

A major party is willing to sell us out for their own personal gain.

Why would any world leader in his/her right mind want to deal with us?

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,261 posts)
21. R.I.P. U.S.A. 1776 - 2016
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 03:46 PM
Oct 2019

The way I feel right now, 2018 was a "dead cat bounce", like stocks that plummet to nothing, rebound once or twice, then flat-line.

The gullible, greedy, hateful and evil formed an alliance to kill the great experiment. Efforts to stop them have been too little, too late.

kentuck

(111,053 posts)
19. Unlike Democrats, other countries will not just blame Donald Trump.
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 02:29 PM
Oct 2019

They will blame the American people. How could they have permitted all of this to happen??

bdamomma

(63,801 posts)
28. I believe they
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 07:22 PM
Oct 2019

will blame us too. Europeans get out in streets and stay there to apply as much heat as they can on scrupulous leaders/dictators.

Right now we are killing our allies the Kurds. It will be a very long time before our allies trust us again.

 

OliverQ

(3,363 posts)
22. No they won't. No one will ever trust the US again.
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 03:51 PM
Oct 2019

They know the American system is too corrupt and we have too many idiots in this country that it's very easy to get another Trump.

CousinIT

(9,225 posts)
23. America had better enact a slew of new laws after Trump to make ABSOLUTELY certain
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 07:13 PM
Oct 2019

We N E V E R "elect" another Trump again.

And even with that, it will take minimum 2-3 DECADES to gain our world respect back. IF we don't elect another goddamned Trump.

FormerOstrich

(2,699 posts)
26. We will only have friends
Thu Oct 10, 2019, 07:19 PM
Oct 2019

if we behave worthy and make amends when possible.

From the outside looking in we are collectively responsible for our government billed as by the people.

In more ways that I want to admit we really are all collectively responsible.

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