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Thu Oct 10, 2019, 12:43 AM

Why Abandon the Kurds Now?

It’s the question everyone has been asking all day. Maybe I’m simplifying a complex issue, but I think the answer is obvious.

Putin gave Trump several missions to successfully accomplish on his behalf, and Trump has failed miserably on all of them.

Putin wanted Trump to persuade the G-7 to invite Russia back to the table – he failed.
Putin wanted Trump to lift sanctions imposed on Russia for invading Ukraine – he failed.

Trump has been confident for three years that his re-election was assured, and he wouldn’t have to rely on Putin’s help in 2020 the way he did in 2016. However, once the polls started showing that several Democratic candidates were polling way ahead of Trump, panic set in.

How better to regain Putin’s trust (and much-needed assistance) than for Trump to demonstrate that he could still ‘come through’ before it’s too late?

What would better impress Putin than doing what he wants done in Syria, i.e. the withdrawal of US troops?

What could prompt congress to lift sanctions imposed on Russia, other than ‘evidence’ that it wasn’t Russia that attacked our elections in 2016, because it was Ukraine all along?

All of these actions are, IMHO, a desperate attempt by Trump to convince Putin that he can still be a valuable asset, if given four more years in the White House.

Because Trump’s conversations with Putin are shrouded in secrecy, we don’t know for sure what the two men have discussed. But I would bet that recent conversations have consisted of Trump whining and begging: ”Ya gotta help me out here, Vlad. You got me elected once – can’t you do it again?”

As current polls have amply demonstrated, Trump’s chances of re-election are dimming every day. He had to have known that following the abandonment of the Kurds, the outrage – even from his own party – would be swift and deadly.

It would seem apparent that despite facing impeachment, despite the mounting evidence of his corruption, despite his falling poll numbers, Trump decided to weigh the benefits of doing the bidding of his own country’s citizens against pleasing Putin – and chose to go with the man he believes can work his 2016 ‘magic’ – i.e. that of attacking our elections to his benefit – a second time.

IMHO, this is a clear signal that Trump is finally beginning to realize that his only chance of re-election lies with the man who “fixed” the last election, and not with the voters.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Original post)

Thu Oct 10, 2019, 12:47 AM

1. Exactement!

Très bien dit, ma belle.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Original post)

Thu Oct 10, 2019, 12:52 AM

2. Follow the money.


A couple people I know have the hair brained idea the Tweeter wants to get kicked out... take the money and run. I've resisted joining the tin foil hat club, but I do have moments when I wonder if they are right.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Original post)

Thu Oct 10, 2019, 12:54 AM

3. Simpler: Putin's birthday nt

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Response to intrepidity (Reply #3)

Thu Oct 10, 2019, 11:41 PM

14. Syria withdrawal WAS Trump's birthday gift to Putin!

You are correct, Sir. Syria withdrawal was Trump's birthday gift to Putin!

I first heard this as an aside on one of the talk shows and had to Independently verify because, even for Trump, this would have been particularly brazen. 

October 7 is Vlad's birthday, for sure. The very day Trump ordered the withdrawal. 

Now, I know I had been wondering about the timing of this move by Trump. Why take such action now, with impeachment investigations gaining steam? 

Not that Trump is all that bright, but it has been widely reported that he calls Moscow Mitch 2 or 3 times a day to shore up repub solidarity in the Senate. He knows that this solidarity is essential to his very survival. 

So even Trump had to know - especially after he had to cancel under fire his first Syria withdrawal attempt - that his repub solidarity would be strained by his abandonment of our Kurd allies. 

So what explains move, imbecilic even by Tumpian standards of measure? 

"Happy Birthday Dear Vlady. Happy Birthday to you."

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Response to NanceGreggs (Original post)

Thu Oct 10, 2019, 12:54 AM

4. Personally, I think it's simpler-- he's just a soulless asshole.

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #4)

Thu Oct 10, 2019, 01:27 AM

6. Well, that's a given.

But why deliberately piss-off your own supporters when you're desperate to get re-elected?

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Response to NanceGreggs (Reply #6)

Thu Oct 10, 2019, 02:25 AM

9. That's the asshole part. Why destroy the Plaza Hotel, US Football League...

and all the other things he bought or tried to build?

Every thing he touches turns to shit because he can't get past touching it and can't run it.

That includes the Presidency.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Original post)

Thu Oct 10, 2019, 01:10 AM

5. Appeasing Putin is always important, but I think this had more to do with Trump Towers in Turkey.

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Response to Garrett78 (Reply #5)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 12:35 AM

15. yep. he figured his base would swallow any excuse he bellowed

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Response to NanceGreggs (Original post)

Thu Oct 10, 2019, 01:32 AM

7. It could be that Putin is pressuring him to get everything he wants quickly.

He sees the writing on the wall and doesn't expect Trump to last much longer.

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Response to Kablooie (Reply #7)

Thu Oct 10, 2019, 02:15 AM

8. Other side of the same coin.

Trump pleads for help in 2020 and/or Putin volunteers to help - "But first, I need you to do me a favour, though."

Of course, Putin knows Trump is going down - but convincing him that he could 'assist' in a 2020 victory would be an easy sell.

It's a pattern with Trump - the con-man getting conned.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Original post)

Thu Oct 10, 2019, 04:20 AM

10. He's in it for the money

IMHO - Putin said he would make trump one of the richest men in the world if he greased the way for Putin in oil and gas. Rosneft. This is beyond towers. He likely proved himself by laundering their money and taking their "loans."

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Response to KT2000 (Reply #10)

Thu Oct 10, 2019, 04:46 AM

11. When you're a NY real estate mogul ...

... laundering money is enough to 'prove yourself'.

I think a bit more 'proving' is expected when you're a "pResident", and have the power to do so much more.

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Response to NanceGreggs (Original post)

Thu Oct 10, 2019, 01:45 PM

12. I see the exact same pattern and "corrective" subsequent events. ITTMF. n/t

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Response to NanceGreggs (Original post)

Thu Oct 10, 2019, 01:51 PM

13. This is cleaning out the safe before the auditors show up

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Response to NanceGreggs (Original post)

Fri Oct 11, 2019, 01:18 AM

16. Yeah, I buy that - But don't forget Erdogan's input as well...

Those are some mighty nice towers you have in Istanbul. It would be a shame if anything happened to them... Or, whatever other special perks or deals he gets from Erdogan for his Trump towers, that Erdogan can roll him over and manipulate him with. But you're right in pointing out that Putin definitely has that old election magic at his fingertips.

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