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Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:20 PM

Trump's lawyers argued that releasing his tax information would cause Trump "Irreparable harm".

Let that sink in for a moment or two.

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Reply Trump's lawyers argued that releasing his tax information would cause Trump "Irreparable harm". (Original post)
Snake Plissken Tuesday OP
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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:21 PM

1. when trump was campaigning he said that very same thing!

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Response to samnsara (Reply #1)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:23 PM

5. And yet every presidential candidate for the last 40 years has released

their tax returns and no harm, irreparable or otherwise, has resulted.

I wonder why Trump's are different.....?

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:22 PM

2. I think that's almost like saying

I'M GUILTY!

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:22 PM

3. Tough nougatines. Go pound sand! eom

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:23 PM

4. I guess tRump's imprisonment would be irrepairable to him though not to the nation n/t

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:24 PM

6. Oh boo hoo

his mouth has already done that. The moldy orange, is broke, and he's a feared...boo f*cking hoo!

sage

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:24 PM

7. Bank Robber to Judge:

"Your honor, the video tape clearly showing me holding up the bank tellers with a gun and demanding they give me all their cash will cause irreparable harm to me if you allow the Jury to see it, so I demand that you not allow it as evidence."

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Response to OliverQ (Reply #7)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:30 PM

12. Exactly!

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:25 PM

8. So, then, will every item subpoenaed of a Democrat when the Reps start their witch hunts

Good God, have they ever thought of the precedent they're setting?

(not that Dems would ever err on the side of lawlessness)

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:27 PM

9. Not releasing them has caused the USA irreparable harm!

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Response to tanyev (Reply #9)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:23 PM

48. Right! This ain't about Trump. It's about justice...

...and a little thing we call "the rule of law."

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:27 PM

10. Doesn't mean what you think

It’s legalese for “you can’t un-crack an egg”

When a court considers a temporary stay on a ruling, they weigh the appeal’s likelihood of success on the merits... and the harm involved in not granting the stay.

This just says “it won’t matter if I win later if they get the returns now”.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #10)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:41 PM

15. Sure, releasing the contents of Trump's tax returns will be extremely damaging to Trump

and can't be reversed once they are released in a ruling is overturned, neither can the hundreds of fraud lawsuits that follow from his creditors once they see his real tax returns for the first time.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #10)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:58 PM

25. You're mostly right, but it's a little more nuanced than that

He has to show what the precise harm would be if the tax returns are released. That harm can't be speculative or just a risk. He must present specific facts to support his claim of harm.

Then he must show that that harm would be irreparable - that that it could not be remedied with money or other compensation.

That would be very difficult in this situation, especially since he repeatedly said he would release his returns as soon as he got through his fake audit. So he's already publicly agreed to do that which he now says would cause him such enormous harm that a federal court must step in and stop someone else from doing it.

I can't imagine how he could convince a court at this point that release of tax returns - something every other president has done in the last half century - would cause him any harm, irreparable or otherwise, unless, of course, he admits there's something in his returns that is embarrassing or illegal. And since being embarrassed or implicated in a crime is not the kind of harm an injunction is intended to prevent, I think he's screwed on this one.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #25)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:41 PM

54. Yup. How does he explain how he'll be irreparably harmed without revealing

what, exactly, is in the tax returns that will irreparably harm him if Congress knows what's in them?

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Response to The Velveteen Ocelot (Reply #54)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 11:02 PM

59. Bingo!

It would be different if there wasn't a long history of other presidents and presidential candidates releasing their returns and there was something unusual about his doing so. But the only way to support an argument of harm is to offer evidence that there's something special and unique about his returns that makes releasing them somehow work to his detriment in a way other people's releasevof their returns didn't. And since he previously said he would release them and the only thing stopping him was the imaginary audits, it's kind of hard for him to argue that.

It will be interesting to see what the court rules.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #10)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:07 PM

29. Right. It effectively means releasing the returns now denies him the right to appeal

But he still has to make the case that the release would cause harm. Just because you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube doesn't mean squeezing the tube was damaging.

So what's the harm?
If they prove he's a liar, well, that's already well-established.
If they reveal he's a tax evader, well, i suspect that revealing that isn't a recognized "harm".
So I think he'd have to show that his returns would cause him problems a a businessman because they hurt his negotiating position or something.

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Response to FBaggins (Reply #10)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:24 PM

49. Then he shouldn't have promised to release them.

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:30 PM

11. Yeah, and GW Bush also claimed that counting all the votes

Would cause him irreparable harm.

F these people

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:36 PM

13. Why?

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:41 PM

14. That's the idea.

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:44 PM

16. Lol, no doubt!

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:46 PM

17. Good.

Let's watch the court of appeals require it.

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:48 PM

18. Yeah!!!! Soooooo.......nt

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:51 PM

19. Hiding something

If he’s got nothing to hide, whats the problem?

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:52 PM

20. He'd get used to jail after awhile.

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:53 PM

21. "the president has a lot to hide to keep his reputation safe"

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:54 PM

22. Undoubtedly true

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:55 PM

23. As all "perfect" tax returns do...

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 07:57 PM

24. Technically they're right

But if he's done something illegal it needs to be known.

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:01 PM

26. Just like the SC ruled against the 2000 Florida recount




Because of the irreparable harm done to GWB
If they let the recount happen.
Worked then.
We've been down this road before.

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Response to Beausoleil (Reply #26)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:26 PM

50. That's what I'm afraid of.

Our only real weapon against his lawlessness, no their lawlessness is the courts. We may win all the way up to the SC but that body looks even more tainted than in GW's time. I sure hope someone can point out I'm wrong.

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:07 PM

27. I agree with his lawyers

it's because he's even been lying about how much he makes or he's not been paying his taxes

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:07 PM

28. Ah ha ha ha ha ha. Fuck him

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:29 PM

30. One can only hope

nt

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:38 PM

31. That's just the legal standard you have to meet to get an injunction.

We can't unsee his tax returns once they are out. So if he can convince the court that both he's likely to win - AND - that seeing his tax returns would cause him irreparable harm, the court can hold off the damage until after it determines whether he actually wins or not.

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:55 PM

32. And to that, I say "tough shit". nt

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:56 PM

33. If courts uphold that argument, no one will ever have to go to court again

Every defendant would LOVE this legal precedent. It basically overturns the rule of law.

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 08:59 PM

34. That doesn't make any sense.

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:01 PM

35. An oldie but goodie deserves to be here.

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:03 PM

36. Poor old Al Capone.

Just needed more corrupt lawyers.

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Response to moondust (Reply #36)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:17 PM

39. They did overturn his conviction on tax evasion after he died on a technicality in tax law.

It seems they violated his 5th Amendment rights to self incrimination. Tax laws were corrected and that should not happen again.

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:07 PM

37. Too fucking

bad for don the con, he's in the frying pan he needs to show his returns. Period.

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:13 PM

38. I think that defense could be used for bank robbery, murder, ect... nt

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:29 PM

40. Agreed.

Spending the remainder of your life in a correctional facility would qualify as irreparable harm. The converse, of course, is that a criminal shitbag not held to account for their heinous actions harms every damn one of us and erodes the rule of law. Lock the fucker up already! Lock the fucker up!

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:30 PM

41. As well it should

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:31 PM

42. Only if he did something illegal, or it proves he lied

It's a feature, not a bug

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:33 PM

43. Well, yeah. I think that is kind of the whole point...

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:47 PM

44. His tax returns are so perfect that if the public sees them, they will want him to do everyone's.

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 09:58 PM

45. For once, a spark of truth from Trump.

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:13 PM

46. I so want to see this guy in an orange jump suit.

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:15 PM

47. Well duh

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:33 PM

51. Tough fucking shit, asshole!

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:37 PM

52. Next time I get pulled over with an ounce of weed in the glovebox...

Gonna try the same argument...

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:38 PM

53. Works for me.

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:43 PM

55. There ya have it

Join the rest of us M************************************er

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:43 PM

56. That's why he should have divested long ago.

What an idiot. And shame on his lawyers for making such dishonest claims

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:52 PM

57. What happened to him being a stable genius and him being audited every year?

Could it be that the harm will be to that claim, along with him being completely funded by Russia?

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Tue Oct 8, 2019, 10:53 PM

58. Wonder if trump's family knows about all that is in his tax information!!


Tikki

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 12:19 AM

60. Just like continuing to count the votes in Florida, November 2000

would cause W Bush "irreparable harm"...

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 09:26 AM

61. Why? Because it would prove Trump a liar and thief or just a traitor?

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 09:45 AM

62. a clear admission of guilt

The attorney says in affect that they know there is stuff in his taxes that will definitely lead to charges, so therefore the taxes should not be released. Yeah, let's see one of us commoners try that one in court. The judge would laugh his butt off.

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 03:07 PM

63. would cause Trump "Irreparable harm"

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 03:46 PM

64. That's the same argument that installed Bush in 2000 nt

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Response to Snake Plissken (Original post)

Wed Oct 9, 2019, 03:51 PM

65. That's kinda

why we want them...don't ya think?

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