Understand this, please: Trump is abandoning the Kurds, our friends and allies, and his pal,

[Atticus]

Erdogan in Turkey is poised to slaughter them---men, women and children. AND, Trump is doing this IN OUR NAME. We will wear the shame of this craven idiocy for as long as most of us hope to live.

Who will ever again trust us when we say "We've got your back"?

[Baitball Blogger]

1. Trump is being more CIA than the CIA.

It's a 1980's inside joke.

For those of us who grew up on military bases overseas, we saw a great many strange things that we're still answering for as a country.

But things have come full circle. What a strange world to be aware that today, the CIA is on the side of right and we're counting on them to set this country back on track.

[riversedge]

2. " Who will ever again trust us when we say "We've got your back"?

It has been a LONG time since any sane person trusted Joker Trump

[Atticus]

3. I would be fine if he had only ruined HIS personal "reputation", such as it is. He has,

however, placed the stain of outright betrayal on our nation's honor. I will NEVER forgive him.

May the craven sonofabitch rot in hell!

[BadgerMom]

9. This.

I have read so many today talk about the blood that will stain Trump’s hands and the GOP’s hands. But, ultimately, it will stain America and Americans. I am so very saddened.

[Odoreida]

4. Trump is repsonsible because the buck stops on the president's desk and he could stop it, but ...

... betraying the Kurds seems to be a feature of the permanent bipartisan foreign policy.

There's a lot more that must go besides Trump.

[regnaD kciN]

7. The Kurds should have learned from history...

...that Trump’s M.O. is to make deals and then renege on them the minute the other guy has fulfilled his part of the bargain and payment is due. It’s not a bug, it’s a feature.

[TidalWave46]

5. So much I have to learn.

Approximately two million Kurds in northern Syria.

Best case scenario, what does this mean for them?

Worst case scenario?

I get all of the players and understand our history here. I’m not sure I understand what is about to happen.

[ProudMNDemocrat]

6. I still recall the TIME cover with gassed Kurds....

I will not post the horrific photos, but use your imaginations.

If Turkey should do that, there will be world-wide condemnation, except from Putin and Trump. "Collateral Damage" they will claim.

[paleotn]

11. This is a gimme for Erdogan, Assad and Putin.

The elimination, by force if necessary, of the only significant military force in Syria outside of Assad and his Russian / Iranian backers.
While we've paid in treasure to crush ISIS, the YPG has paid in blood. Now, at IQ45's whim, we're throwing the Kurds to the wolves. Turkey doesn't have a very good record in dealing with non-Turkish opposition, real or imagined. Just ask the Armenians. They have a long standing beef with the Kurds, so they're happy to do Assad and Putin's dirty work and eliminate a potential threat to their territorial sovereignty. For the Kurds, I don't think there is a best case scenario.

And I don't really think this is a whim. I think the Russians and others have been pressuring shitler to do this for awhile. The question has just been when.

[czarjak]

8. Paybacks are going to be a bitch...

Thanks, rubes.

[erlewyne]

10. What if Jesus Christ was a Kurd?

Just asking. I am mystified by the Dead Sea Scrolls and Coele-Syria (the
hollow formed by the Dead Sea). I am curious about the King of Cappadocia.
We may lose so much in the disintegration of this mysterious cult.
Excuse me, I do not know.
There was several Chrestus' in the Mithridatic dynasty which included this
"King of Cappadocia" who played a big part in Josephus stories and he (the King
of Cappadocia) was involved in the histories of the gospels.

Of course the Kurds may not have existed back then so my theories
may well be baseless. But, the Kurds are humans and I may not even like
them.

I dunno.

[paleotn]

12. Salah ad-Din or Saladin was a Kurd.

The Kurds themselves think they're descended from the ancient Medes. Their ethnic group first appears in Arabic texts in like the 7th or 8th century. Beyond that, who knows. I do think they deserve their own state, independent of Syria, Iraq, Iran and Turkey. They've earned it.

[joost5]

13. Seth Abramson's thread ...

1/ Please don't fool yourself: Trump permitted Russia to invade Europe because he had business he wanted to do in Russia. He'll allow the Turks to commit genocide against the Kurds because of the business he has in Turkey. Anyone who has researched his life and career knows this.

Link to tweet

2/ Every single Trump scandal, both pre- and post-election, has the same outline: Donald Trump will commit crimes and cause irreparable harm to people's lives/reputations to advance his business and/or political interests. This is what he does, and he does it EVERY. SINGLE. TIME.

3/ If Trump is angry at a country, look at whether that country is treating the Trump Organization in a way that makes Donald Trump happy. If Trump is kow-towing to a country, look at how much business he's doing in that country. It's maddening how goddamn transparent the man is.

4/ To put a finer point on it: there's no evidence, literally none, that Trump has ever cared about the life, reputation, or happiness of a single person besides himself and maybe a couple members of his family. Any claim Trump cares about anything else is based on ZERO evidence.

5/ We're taught by our parents to judge people not just by their words but their deeds, and apparently that applies to every single person every single one of us meets in our lives *except* Trump. With Trump, half America pretends the evidence of its eyes and ears is meaningless.

6/ Maybe it needs to be put even more clearly: Trump would hire a guy to drive a monster truck over your youngest child for 10 million dollars, and that's taking into account that the man is worth at *least* 30 million already (which is just 10 billion less than he claims he is).

7/ Believing in the goodness of Donald Trump is like believing in Bigfoot, the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, chemtrails, the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, or that Elvis is living in a mobile home in Tuscaloosa. You are a *child* if you buy into it; you are being *humiliated*.

Also relevant:

Russia is preparing a military offensive against Ukraine. Substantial Russian armed forces are staged around Homel in Belarus and around Voronezh and Rostov in Russia.

Putin told his asset Trump to cancel Open Skies, depriving the US of intelligence about #RussiaInvadedUkraine

Link to tweet

Things are going to get uglier.

[duforsure]

14. Why is trump doing this?

To me it looks like another scheme . The Russians and Turkey paid trump, the kurds didn't. After they follow the money trail I believe it'll be exposed his real reason behind this is money. Is he selling policies out of the White House, sure looks like it. If trump is in debt up to his eyeballs to putin, and compromised was this another form of payment to him? Did trump sell policy to Turkey early on, and when Jared went to Turkey to work out the details? Lots more will come out as they look into this action trumps now taken assuring an ally the Kurds could be murdered off, and ISIS allowed to build up again with trump , and putins approval. Remember trump exposed to Russian officials while in the oval office the whereabouts of a covert agent who had infiltrated ISIS, helping the enemy, ISIS and Russia. Trumps helping ISIS now, again.

[Hortensis]

15. Atticus, understand this: no one here needs your explanations

and accusations, either implied or explicit. This post is one of a type you mistakenly feel we need.
Democrats across the nation are feeling sick over this horrific betrayal. Without any help from you.

I will add this: What's going to happen to the Kurds, and many others, is the doing of those who didn't vote for Hillary as much as it is the trumpists'.

[Atticus]

16. I regret that you feel my posts are not worthwhile. I genuinely don't see how you

interpret this OP as an "accusation". I also don't see how you speak for the entire board. It was certainly not my purpose to "help" others "feel sick".

I will consider what you have posted

[Hortensis]

18. Your posts can be worthwhile when your anger is properly directed.

Even the stupidest trumpist knows they win elections by going after Democrats, not each other.

[Atticus]

19. I have delayed responding in order to reread and consider, but now I must ask:

WHERE in my OP do you consider that I was "going after" someone?

[Vinca]

17. And the icing on Don's cake is the release of thousands of ISIS fighters.