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Mon Oct 7, 2019, 08:28 AM

Can someone explain this about Joshua Brown (Guyger witness)

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Joshua Brown, the witness in the Guyger trial who was recently shot to death, was also a witness to another shooting, in which the suspected shooter, who also shot Brown, is out on bond:

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/ny-joshua-brown-shot-killed-witness-guyger-botham-jean-dallas-20191007-itzbrsujbrc5llfuqvhhxz7rfm-story.html


Brown had himself been wounded in a separate shooting, last November, outside a nightclub in northwest Dallas, according to reports. After a fistfight between him and another man, someone pulled a gun and began shooting, WFAA said. The conflict left another man dead.

In that shooting, Kendall Deshonn Morris, 26, was charged with murder in the death of 25-year-old Nicholas Shaq’uan Diggs, according to The Dallas Morning News at the time. Morris is out on bond, reported WFAA-TV.


There is a high level of certainty among DUers that Brown was shot in some kind of "revenge" for his testimony in the Guyger case, even though she pretty much sunk herself with her own testimony by stating that she intended to kill the person she believed to be in her apartment. Texas homicide statutes are very unlike those of many other states and plain "murder" is simply unlawful homicide with intent to kill. In other words, a mistake of fact is not as important as whether the person had a homicidal intent.

Be that as it may, Brown is obviously a witness in the murder trial of Kendall Morris, who also shot Brown.

After testifying in the Guyger trial, Brown moved out of the complex where Guyger and Jean had both lived, which would certainly be a good idea for a shooting victim and prospective murder witness whose address was made a matter of national news coverage.

But, in all of this, I'm curious to know what facts lead people to be so certain that his murder has to do with his testimony in the Guyger case. Shooting someone after they testify seems much less effective than shooting them before they testify, and his upcoming testimony would apparently have been important, considering that he was a participant in the altercation that led to the death of Nicholas Diggs.

So, if you are sure it was the Dallas police, can you explain the facts and reasoning that lead you to exclude persons related to the other murder case in which he was one of the people shot?

More info on that other shooting here:

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2018/12/13/man-arrested-in-fatal-shooting-outside-dallas-strip-club-after-thanksgiving/

While at one of the clubs, the group ran into Brown, who also went to the strip club on Walnut Ridge.

The second suspect waited for Brown outside the club to fight him. The men fought in the middle of the street. Afterward, Brown and his friends tried to leave, according to an arrest warrant affidavit.

That's when Morris reached into a Chevrolet Avalanche, pulled out a gun and handed the weapon to the other suspect, witnesses told police, the warrant says.

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leftstreet Oct 7 #3
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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 08:49 AM

1. Probably not.

It's an interesting coincidence, and bears investigation, but many are convinced (with no evidence) that he was hit by the police. Probably a generalized mistrust of the cops, and an expectation (one might almost say a savoring) that authority will abuse power whenever possible. The frequency and publicity of police getting away with questionable shootings probably conditions this.

I have to say that the relish with which people jump to conclusions, and the righteousness they display when they do so, does make me worry about the future of the human race.

-- Mal

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 09:15 AM

2. Excellent post. Very troubling for the agenda driven.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 09:21 AM

3. That shooting was a yr ago. How long has Morris been out on bond?



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Response to leftstreet (Reply #3)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 09:27 AM

6. Not quite a year

https://www.dallasnews.com/news/crime/2018/12/13/man-arrested-in-fatal-shooting-outside-dallas-strip-club-after-thanksgiving/

Diggs, 25, was found dead in the street around 4:45 a.m. Nov. 23 in the 2400 block of Walnut Ridge Street. A second victim, 28-year-old Joshua Brown, was wounded in the shooting.

Morris and another man are accused in the fatal shooting. The second suspect has not been arrested.

Court records show Diggs, Morris and the second suspect were celebrating a birthday and had gone to several other clubs before stopping at Dallas Cabaret.

While at one of the clubs, the group ran into Brown, who also went to the strip club on Walnut Ridge.

The second suspect waited for Brown outside the club to fight him. The men fought in the middle of the street. Afterward, Brown and his friends tried to leave, according to an arrest warrant affidavit.


So there was some sort of interaction between Brown and the second suspect. I'll have to check if they ever found out who that was, but 10 months pre-trial is not particularly unusual.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 09:22 AM

4. Everyone's always in such a damned hurry to control the narrative....

Instead of letting the narrative actually write itself with the facts.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Mon Oct 7, 2019, 09:23 AM

5. Either scenerio may be true

Neither would shock me. A 3rd may also be true- it had nothing to do with either incidences.
On a scale of probability, I'd go with your scenario being more likely than the others. But until an investigation is complete, I will withhold any absolutes.

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