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Sun Oct 6, 2019, 12:19 AM

Russia attacked Ukraine yesterday! How was this not covered widely and loudly?

Ukraine reports 1 KIA, 2 WIA's amid 32 enemy attacks in Donbas on Oct 4

https://www.unian.info/m/war/10709802-ukraine-reports-1-kia-2-wia-s-amid-32-enemy-attacks-in-donbas-on-oct-4.html
Russia's hybrid military forces on October 4 mounted 32 attacks on Ukrainian Army positions in Donbas, eastern Ukraine, with one Ukrainian soldier reported as killed in action (KIA) and another two as wounded in action (WIA).

"The armed forces of the Russian Federation and its mercenaries violated the ceasefire 32 times on October 4. One Ukrainian soldier was killed and another two were wounded as a result of enemy shelling. The circumstances are being established by an ad hoc group of Ukraine's military law enforcement service. The Command of the Joint Forces expresses condolences to the relatives and friends of the deceased," the press center of Ukraine's Joint Forces Operation Headquarters said in an update posted on Facebook as of 07:00 Kyiv time on October 5.

The enemy opened fire from proscribed 120mm and 82mm mortars, cannons installed on infantry fighting vehicles, grenade launchers of various types, and small arms. Under attack came Ukrainian positions near the towns of Avdiyivka, Maryinka, and Zolote, and the villages of Vodiane, Pavlopil, Novohnativka, Novotroyitske, Lebedynske, Bohdanivka, Verkhniotoretske, Novoluhanske, Luhanske, Myronivske, Zaitseve, Krymske, and Novotoshkivske.


Fyi. Interesting thread on gas lines in Ukraine





Full thread! Wow!!
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Reply Russia attacked Ukraine yesterday! How was this not covered widely and loudly? (Original post)
Roland99 Oct 2019 OP
tblue37 Oct 2019 #1
elleng Oct 2019 #2
pangaia Oct 2019 #3
alittlelark Oct 2019 #4
triron Oct 2019 #11
BadgerMom Oct 2019 #5
Buckeyeblue Oct 2019 #6
Tommy_Carcetti Oct 2019 #7
Roland99 Oct 2019 #8
Igel Oct 2019 #10
bluedigger Oct 2019 #9

Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Sun Oct 6, 2019, 12:36 AM

1. K&R for visibility. nt

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Sun Oct 6, 2019, 12:37 AM

2. Dunno, just 'broadcast' it.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Sun Oct 6, 2019, 12:47 AM

3. Not surprising, is it. Egad!!

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Sun Oct 6, 2019, 12:55 AM

4. I guess the 'liberal media' missed it.

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Response to alittlelark (Reply #4)

Sun Oct 6, 2019, 11:21 AM

11. Yes our 'liberal' complicit media.

They would have made Adolf happy.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Sun Oct 6, 2019, 02:58 AM

5. For the first time last week,

I stumbled across a Twitter feed that reports daily on Russian attacks and skirmishes in Donbas, Ukraine. It listed the number per day and, if Iím remembering correctly, casualties. (I didnít bookmark the tweet and do not remember the writerís name.) For me it was an ďaha!Ē moment. Of course, there were battles in eastern Ukraine. Of course, American media wasnít reporting it regularly, what with all the news occurring here daily. But it hadnít been in my consciousness at all. All of which is to say that maybe todayís news is about an escalation. But maybe itís that weíve not been paying enough attention at any point after the initial attacks.

Karole Cumminsí Thread is frightening.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Sun Oct 6, 2019, 06:02 AM

6. Mainstream press not reporting on this is not surprising

We get very little world news. That's why as a whole US citizens are largely ignorant of world issues. Or maybe it's the other way around...Because we are so ignorant of the rest of the world, mainstream news doesn't bother.

If Russia invaded the Ukraine I'm not sure we would do anything. Trump would blame it on Biden or Hillary's emails.

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Sun Oct 6, 2019, 07:09 AM

7. Been happening fairly regularly since March 2014. nt

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Response to Tommy_Carcetti (Reply #7)

Sun Oct 6, 2019, 08:13 AM

8. Yeah. But a ceasefire was agreed to in July.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #8)

Sun Oct 6, 2019, 11:17 AM

10. So?

It's been happening regularly. Thousands of Ukrainian soldiers and civilians have been killed since peace broke out. Even the Trump phone call involved, ultimately, aid. Anti-tank missiles came up, because Ukraine is terrified that once again Russian tanks will pour into the Donbas. Ukrainian tanks are T-64s and 70s. They're old and were Warsaw Bloc staples--everybody had them. Russia's upgraded its tanks and retired thousands T-64 and T-70s. In 2014 one of the tells of Russian interference were the reports that a lot of tank maintenance people were called to service and get those Russian tanks ready for operation. Another was that there were satellite photos of sites with hundreds of retired obsolete tanks one month, and the next month those sites were bare ground. You can't easily tell a Russian T-64 or T-70 from a Russian one except by its markings; the Donbas tanks were repainted to have no markings. Russia still has thousands of old tanks. Ukraine should be afraid--the only cost to Russia of sending those tanks into Ukraine is the price of materials ($0--they cannibalize other tanks, the servicemen are already on staff) and gasoline. Lots of Russians and Ukrainians trained on those tanks.

We were promised "no frozen conflict", but that's pretty much what's happened. A lot of people either lied or welshed on their debt. The lines don't move, but soldiers and civilians die every day from gunfire along the border, from artillery shelling. Some areas have been without decent power or water for years, because every time services are restored that's just another target.

(Hmmm ... "Welsh" ... There's a verb I haven't seen banned yet. Maybe I just wasn't paying attention. Anyway ...)

Every step taken in the name of avoiding a frozen conflict was predictably sure of producing precisely a frozen conflict. But since every step taken was the "right step" for avoidance, once the big casualty numbers stopped the media decided to declare victory and go home. Most media folk couldn't say, "Um, this was a certainty given what was done by Europe and the West." It didn't help that the 2016 election was coming up, and a lot of media folk that had been sort of sympathetic to Russia were betrayed. Like it or not, all the "look at all the fascists fighting on the Ukrainian side" stories made supporting Ukraine difficult and was precisely the Russian narrative (where "fascist" just means "somebody who doesn't like Russia". It was an ideologically difficult war to cover in 2014, and also in 2016 and 2017. And since then omphaloskepsis has become a kind of political meditation/centering fad.

Recently it was announced an agreement that, taken one way, is a step to reintegration of the Donbas. However, take it slightly differently and it's a capitulation, a guarantee of autonomy, increased Russian influence that makes it easy for the Donbas to create disruption in the rest of the country and be a continued drain on the country. At the same time, the autonomy makes disintegration so easy as to become almost unavoidable. Of course, the deal it requires massive Ukrainian aid to rebuild the territory and get everything running again--Russia pays nothing to its allies (under this deal) or to those it hurt. A bonus for Russia is that the rebuilding and concomitant lack of hostilities means it gets to stop paying for the war and to prop up its dumbass offspring Donbas. And it also gives cover to Europeans who desperately want to rely on Russian natural gas and not have to abide by sanctions they were sure would produce victory even in the face of impossible historical odds. (I.e., Russia gambled on a sure thing where the bookies had blindly claimed there was high risk. Personally, I'm surprised the sanctions have held this long, but there's been the whole US election mess, Skripal, etc., helping to keep them going.)

Of course, if the Donbas secedes and joins Russia, Russia isn't going to want to invest money fixing the territory they helped trash. Better to let the West and Ukraine dump in billions before deeding it over. (Think of it as rich parents buying a fixer-upper for their kids. They have to fix it up first, right?)

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Response to Roland99 (Original post)

Sun Oct 6, 2019, 09:16 AM

9. We lost more souls in a Kansas City bar last night.

Honestly, it sounds like Ukraine is winning the war of attrition if that is the best the Russians can do in 32 attacks.

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