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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 04:36 AM

NCLefty (3,678 posts)

"Mr. Trump eats your soul in small bites. It starts with your sitting silent while he lies..."

"Mr. Trump eats your soul in small bites. It starts with your sitting silent while he lies, both in public and private, making you complicit by your silence. In meetings with him, his assertions about what 'everyone thinks' and what is 'obviously true' wash over you, unchallenged, as they did at our private dinner on Jan. 27, 2017, because he’s the president and he rarely stops talking. As a result, Mr. Trump pulls all of those present into a silent circle of assent."

"Speaking rapid-fire with no spot for others to jump into the conversation, Mr. Trump makes everyone a co-conspirator to his preferred set of facts, or delusions. I have felt it — this president building with his words a web of alternative reality and busily wrapping it around all of us in the room."

-James Comey, May 2019


I know he screwed some things up, but I feel like this man had this part of the situation analyzed correctly. This was done to him too.

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/01/opinion/william-barr-testimony.html

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Reply "Mr. Trump eats your soul in small bites. It starts with your sitting silent while he lies..." (Original post)
 NCLefty Sep 2019 OP
LineReply Yes, he never stops running his mouth. He HAS to be the absolute center of attention. No one
 tblue37 Sep 2019 #1
LineReply Silence implies consent
 vlyons Sep 2019 #2
LineReply So well said - it's almost like a poem.
 mia Sep 2019 #3
LineLineReply I thought so too. n/t
 ms liberty Sep 2019 #5
LineLineLineReply Ditto.
 KPN Sep 2019 #6
LineLineLineLineNew Reply My first thought as well. nt
 flying rabbit Sep 2019 #33
LineReply I've known everyday people like that and most were Rethugs.
 KY_EnviroGuy Sep 2019 #4
LineReply My father was just like that.
 no_hypocrisy Sep 2019 #7
LineLineReply I have an uncle like that.
 Farmer-Rick Sep 2019 #17
LineLineLineReply + 1,000,000
 no_hypocrisy Sep 2019 #23
LineLineNew Reply Ouch. Sorry to hear it. :/
 NCLefty Sep 2019 #34
LineReply It's really very hard to relate to this. Must take a
 Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #8
LineReply Screwed some things up?
 MrsCoffee Sep 2019 #9
LineLineReply "Crooked Hillary:" his ultimate projection.
 maddiemom Sep 2019 #13
LineLineNew Reply Exactly - I hope he remains shunned and unemployable
 The Polack MSgt Sep 2019 #31
LineReply It's called "getting sucked in"
 njhoneybadger Sep 2019 #10
LineReply Yes, I've known people like that - they drown you before you realize you're fighting for air
 FM123 Sep 2019 #11
LineReply He learned it from Roger Ailes FOX News Reality Show Spin-Master
 MartyTheGreek Sep 2019 #12
LineLineReply No, he developed that from childhood.
 Duppers Sep 2019 #14
LineLineLineReply Can you post a paragraph summary of the Post article?
 Wednesdays Sep 2019 #21
LineLineLineLineReply Sure...
 Duppers Sep 2019 #22
LineLineLineLineLineNew Reply Thanks. nm
 Wednesdays Sep 2019 #29
LineReply I suspect Comey almost slightly gave into Trump.
 gordianot Sep 2019 #15
LineLineNew Reply I disagree. He went home and wrote a memo, started raising alarms.
 NCLefty Sep 2019 #35
LineLineLineNew Reply You are probably correct.
 gordianot Sep 2019 #37
LineReply Comey was just weak. This didn't happen with Pelosi
 JI7 Sep 2019 #16
LineReply Comey is a traitor
 Brainstormy Sep 2019 #18
LineLineReply +1
 ffr Sep 2019 #25
LineReply Well written description. However, we all make choices in this life...
 llmart Sep 2019 #19
LineLineReply Actually he didn't, which is why Trump fired him.
 The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2019 #27
LineReply I believe this, paired with intimidation and power and it's a very bad mix. nt
 UniteFightBack Sep 2019 #20
LineReply Comey deserves to be ostracized from decent company for the rest of his life.
 Ligyron Sep 2019 #24
LineReply Whatever you might think of Comey, I think he's absolutely correct
 The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2019 #26
LineNew Reply Howard Dean's assessment of Comey
 wryter2000 Sep 2019 #28
LineNew Reply You're a mean one, Mr. Trump...
 Blue Owl Sep 2019 #30
LineLineNew Reply I called Trump "The Grinch Who Unstole Christmas" after he delayed new China tarriffs (allegedly
 NCLefty Sep 2019 #36
LineNew Reply He described how I feel listening to him nt
 live love laugh Sep 2019 #32

Response to NCLefty (Original post)

Fri Sep 27, 2019, 04:39 AM

Star Member tblue37 (57,212 posts)

1. Yes, he never stops running his mouth. He HAS to be the absolute center of attention. No one

else can be allowed to speak.

K&R.

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 04:47 AM

Star Member vlyons (9,379 posts)

2. Silence implies consent

nt

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 04:55 AM

mia (8,170 posts)

3. So well said - it's almost like a poem.

Mr. Trump eats your soul in small bites.
It starts with your sitting silent while he lies,
Both in public and private,
Making you complicit by your silence.

His assertions about what 'everyone thinks' and what is 'obviously true'
Wash over you, unchallenged,
Because he’s the president and he rarely stops talking.
He pulls all of those present into a silent circle of assent.

Speaking rapid-fire with no spot for others to jump into the conversation,
He makes everyone a co-conspirator to his preferred set of facts, or delusions.
I have felt it — this president building with his words a web of alternative reality
and busily wrapping it around all of us in the room.

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:06 AM

Star Member ms liberty (7,448 posts)

5. I thought so too. n/t

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:15 AM

Star Member KPN (14,525 posts)

6. Ditto.

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:06 PM

flying rabbit (4,353 posts)

33. My first thought as well. nt

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 04:59 AM

Star Member KY_EnviroGuy (14,161 posts)

4. I've known everyday people like that and most were Rethugs.

They talk non-stop and assume if you don't rudely interrupt them, you agree with their bullshit. And, they'll go tell their friends you agreed. Like tRump, they use lots of abrasive adjectives for everything.

I think this mode of dialog is typical of both cult members and their leaders.

Although raised not to do that, I found the only way to get an objection in is to interrupt and talk over them 'till they shut up.

Of course, no one will do that with tRump........

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:23 AM

Star Member no_hypocrisy (41,809 posts)

7. My father was just like that.

Authoritarian and manipulative. When I protested, he attacked. I had a queasy underlying feeling he wanted to destroy me for merely contradicting him.

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:12 AM

Star Member Farmer-Rick (8,065 posts)

17. I have an uncle like that.

Last edited Fri Sep 27, 2019, 03:12 PM - Edit history (1)

I would argue with him constantly. He hated me and rarely included us in invitations to all of the other family members. He was rich, so missing out on these invitations was a drawback. The invites were to exotic places in fancy bungalows.

I was an obnoxious kid. I never let a chance to argue slip by. I thought my parents hated it. But in a late night conversation, my parents explained how they thought I was brave.

You never know when not letting a stupid idea slip by without argument may actually be the most courageous thing you can do.

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:59 AM

Star Member no_hypocrisy (41,809 posts)

23. + 1,000,000

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:42 PM

NCLefty (3,678 posts)

34. Ouch. Sorry to hear it. :/

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:25 AM

Star Member Laura PourMeADrink (40,717 posts)

8. It's really very hard to relate to this. Must take a

certainly level of weakness and vulnerability from the start to remain in any kind of relationship with him?. Because many people are around people like and they don't get eaten.

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:46 AM

Star Member MrsCoffee (5,550 posts)

9. Screwed some things up?

Fuck him and his role in the stolen election. He went out of his way to sink Hillary. Whatever hateful reason he had, I hope it torments him til the end of time. I haven’t been able to sleep since this nightmare started. Neither should he.

It doesn’t matter how many things he got right about Trump. He did the one thing he can never be forgiven for.

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:32 AM

maddiemom (5,086 posts)

13. "Crooked Hillary:" his ultimate projection.

Did he ever reasonably explain what it meant besides another projection: accusing the well=regarded Clinton Foundation of exactly what the "Trump Foundation" had been caught doing? Oh, and dredging up old, disproven stuff.

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:56 PM

Star Member The Polack MSgt (11,942 posts)

31. Exactly - I hope he remains shunned and unemployable

For the end around he pulled - against his bosses direction and possibly in violation of federal law - To torpedo the Clinton campaign with his FAKE "Reopening" of the "Investigation"

He can die choking on a 20 pound sack of rat's assholes

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:49 AM

njhoneybadger (3,903 posts)

10. It's called "getting sucked in"

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:50 AM

FM123 (9,835 posts)

11. Yes, I've known people like that - they drown you before you realize you're fighting for air

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:57 AM

MartyTheGreek (531 posts)

12. He learned it from Roger Ailes FOX News Reality Show Spin-Master

Let the FOX Boycott expand! State run propaganda! They are supporting a fraud, an illegitimate POTUS!

FOX is foreign owned for christ sake! Do something! Pull the FCC licence! We're 2.5 years in this Information and Cyber War and FOX is acting like Bagdad Bob!

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 08:09 AM

Star Member Wednesdays (15,826 posts)

21. Can you post a paragraph summary of the Post article?

It's behind a pay wall.

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 08:27 AM

Star Member Duppers (25,843 posts)

22. Sure...

This logical theory plays only a *minor* roll:

Parents who "overvalue" children during this developmental stage, telling them they are superior to others and entitled to special treatment, are more likely to produce narcissistic children -- who can grow up to become narcissistic adults, unless something is done about it."


The heart of the problem is emotional neglect and unrealistic expectations, imo. In that mode, the article does make the important point about the greatest counter to NPD:

"But when children are treated by their parents with affection and appreciation, they may internalize the view that they are valuable individuals, a view that is at the core of self-esteem."


Narcissists spend their lives expecting others to prop up their failing self-imagine.



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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:22 AM

Star Member Wednesdays (15,826 posts)

29. Thanks. nm

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 06:57 AM

Star Member gordianot (14,967 posts)

15. I suspect Comey almost slightly gave into Trump.

Comey’s very high opinion of himself probably saved him from a life of toadyism. In the meantime Trump has found his toadies. The one I wonder about is Pence who remains strangely silent.

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:47 PM

NCLefty (3,678 posts)

35. I disagree. He went home and wrote a memo, started raising alarms.

And it's clear those alarms started ringing while he was in the room with Mr. Trump.

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 10:54 PM

Star Member gordianot (14,967 posts)

37. You are probably correct.

Comey’s curse includes regrets. The Don tried to roll him and did get the job done.

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:01 AM

JI7 (87,623 posts)

16. Comey was just weak. This didn't happen with Pelosi

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:37 AM

Brainstormy (2,350 posts)

18. Comey is a traitor

No new soul-searching on his part is going to change my mind about that.

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:06 AM

ffr (21,933 posts)

25. +1

Violated the Hatch Act. Knew he was violating the Hatch Act. Knew that whatever he said to congress would be leaked by republicans, then proceeded to hurt Hillary Clinton 10 days before the general election anyway.

Cuck Fomey!

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:47 AM

llmart (14,089 posts)

19. Well written description. However, we all make choices in this life...

and Comey chose to remain silent and even go along with trump's requests. He needs to take full responsibility for his own choices.

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:12 AM

Star Member The Velveteen Ocelot (105,630 posts)

27. Actually he didn't, which is why Trump fired him.

He screwed up the Clinton investigation, but acted appropriately wrt Trump.

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 07:54 AM

UniteFightBack (8,231 posts)

20. I believe this, paired with intimidation and power and it's a very bad mix. nt

 

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:01 AM

Star Member Ligyron (6,912 posts)

24. Comey deserves to be ostracized from decent company for the rest of his life.

He has to be at least half the reason this nightmare has come to pass and the damage to our country, and to a woman who really only wanted to serve our, (and even "their" best interests is incalculable.

Now, if he can or could somehow provide bulletproof evidence that would lead to Trump being convicted of the serious crimes he has, (and continues) to commit, I might reconsider somewhat. But I believe if such evidence were available he'd have provided it already.

Still, I'll take good information from whatever source as long as it is reliable and I believe in this case it is.

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:10 AM

Star Member The Velveteen Ocelot (105,630 posts)

26. Whatever you might think of Comey, I think he's absolutely correct

in his evaluation of how Trump operates. And Trump has managed to eat a lot of souls because people want to be part of the power structure of the presidency, and they'll put up with a lot and do a lot in order to keep their positions in that structure.

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:17 AM

Star Member wryter2000 (44,737 posts)

28. Howard Dean's assessment of Comey

A decent guy who was over his head in the job. I tend to agree. I remember his testimony before Congress about stopping Bush from forcing a critically ill Ashcroft from signing something illegal. I think what he says in the OP is an astute analysis.

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 11:50 AM

Star Member Blue Owl (43,537 posts)

30. You're a mean one, Mr. Trump...

The Goldenrod Grinch

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 05:49 PM

NCLefty (3,678 posts)

36. I called Trump "The Grinch Who Unstole Christmas" after he delayed new China tarriffs (allegedly

because of Christmas). :p

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Fri Sep 27, 2019, 04:58 PM

Star Member live love laugh (10,388 posts)

32. He described how I feel listening to him nt

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