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Thu Sep 26, 2019, 01:43 PM

Intelligencer: The Ukraine Scandal Is Not One Phone Call. It's a Massive Plot.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/09/ukraine-scandal-trump-phone-call-giuiliani-pence-barr-mulvaney-impeachment.html

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That is true, as far as it goes. The quid pro quo in the call, though perfectly apparent, is mostly implicit. But the real trick in Trump’s defense is framing the call as the entire scandal. The scandal is much more than that. The call is a snapshot, a moment in time in a months-long campaign that put American policy toward Ukraine at the disposal of Trump’s personal interests and reelection campaign.

Last spring, Rudy Giuliani was openly pressuring Kiev to investigate Joe Biden. Giuliani told the New York Times, “We’re meddling in an investigation … because that information will be very, very helpful to my client.” The key word there was “we’re.” The first-person plural indicated Giuliani was not carrying out this mission alone. A series of reports have revealed how many other government officials were involved in the scheme.

When Trump ordered military aid to Ukraine to be frozen, he went through his chief of staff and budget director Mick Mulvaney. Congress had passed the aid, and Ukraine was under military attack from Russia, a fact that made the halting of the assistance worrisome to numerous officials in two branches of government. As the Times reported, lawmakers and State Department staffers were asking why the money hadn’t gone through.

They were given cover stories: Lawmakers “were first told the assistance was being reviewed to determine whether it was in the best interest of foreign policy,” the Times reported this week. “Other administration officials said, without detail, there was a review on corruption in Ukraine, according to current and former officials. Then, as August drew to a close, other officials told lawmakers they were trying to gauge the effectiveness of the aid, a claim that struck congressional aides as odd.”

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Reply Intelligencer: The Ukraine Scandal Is Not One Phone Call. It's a Massive Plot. (Original post)
erronis Sep 2019 OP
lark Sep 2019 #1
erronis Sep 2019 #3
lark Sep 2019 #4
calimary Sep 2019 #2
erronis Sep 2019 #5
Kingofalldems Sep 2019 #6
erronis Sep 2019 #7
Stuart G Sep 2019 #8

Response to erronis (Original post)

Thu Sep 26, 2019, 01:46 PM

1. The corollary is all drrumpf hirees are automatically corrupt - always or they wouldn't be there.

Drumpf can't have non-criminals working for him, they'd cramp his style and every one of them are gone, replaced by subservient toadys who mostly have zero qualifications for the job.

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Response to lark (Reply #1)

Thu Sep 26, 2019, 02:08 PM

3. I've asked this question before: Does associating with dump make a crook; or do crooks affiliate

with him?

We all have some evil in our personas but it seems certain types are more vulnerable to be bad.

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Response to erronis (Reply #3)

Thu Sep 26, 2019, 02:14 PM

4. I'd say the vast majority are the later.

Truly good people would want nothing to do with the criminal traitor and would avoid him like the plague.

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Thu Sep 26, 2019, 01:53 PM

2. I'd say it's got to be that. All this tells us is how much worse

it is than we already suspect. All this shit so far can include the addendum “and that’s just what we know about”.

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Response to erronis (Original post)

Thu Sep 26, 2019, 04:29 PM

5. Another good piece along the same lines

https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2019/09/25/trump-giuliani-and-manafort-the-ukraine-scheme/

The effort by President Trump to pressure the government of Ukraine to investigate former Vice President Joe Biden and his son had its origins in an earlier endeavor to obtain information that might provide a pretext and political cover for the president to pardon his former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, according to previously undisclosed records.

These records indicate that attorneys representing Trump and Manafort respectively had at least nine conversations relating to this effort, beginning in the early days of the Trump administration, and lasting until as recently as May of this year. Through these deliberations carried on by his attorneys, Manafort exhorted the White House to press Ukrainian officials to investigate and discredit individuals, both in the US and in Ukraine, who he believed had published damning information about his political consulting work in the Ukraine. A person who participated in the joint defense agreement between President Trump and others under investigation by Special Counsel Robert Mueller, including Manafort, allowed me to review extensive handwritten notes that memorialized conversations relating to Manafort and Ukraine between Manafort’s and Trump’s legal teams, including Trump’s personal attorney, Rudy Giuliani.

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Response to erronis (Original post)

Thu Sep 26, 2019, 04:31 PM

6. Kick and rec.

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Response to erronis (Original post)

Thu Sep 26, 2019, 04:32 PM

7. Sorry if I'm beating a one-note drum too much. From Empty Wheel

https://www.emptywheel.net/2019/09/26/the-definition-of-collusion-as-impeachment-proceeds-the-risk-trump-poses-to-all-americans/

This is an important lesson as the Ukraine investigation — which cannot and should not be separated from the Russian investigation — proceeds, one that has thus far been deemphasized again. Trump’s continued efforts to pursue policies — foreign and domestic — that personally benefit him don’t just amount to breathtaking corruption. They provide foreign countries more and more leverage to use against Trump to limit his policy options. Every time Trump does something scandalous with a foreign leader — and he does it all … the … time — it means those foreign leaders can hold that over Trump going forward and in so doing, limit his negotiating position. So not only do Americans lose out on having a President who makes decisions based on how they benefit the country rather than himself personally, but they also get a far weaker President in the bargain, someone who — if he ever decided to prioritize American interests over his own — would have already traded away his bargaining chips to do so.

Through his actions thus far as President, Trump has guaranteed he cannot pursue policies that would benefit average Americans, and he has done so not just with Russia and Ukraine, and not just because of his executive incompetence.

There is an impact that Trump’s “collusion” and corruption have on everyday Americans, whether they wear pussy hats or MAGA caps, an impact that Democrats have permitted Republicans to obscure. Trump’s actions effectively rob Americans of the powerful executive on foreign policy issues that our Constitution very imperfectly sought to ensure, without stripping the weakened Trump of the tools he can wield to punish those who call him on his weakness.

Because he always self-deals, Trump has made himself an intolerably weak President, one who makes the US less secure at every step. Republicans defending him need to be held accountable for weakening the US.

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Response to erronis (Original post)

Thu Sep 26, 2019, 05:32 PM

8. k and r for exposure..no text.

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