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Tue Sep 24, 2019, 09:49 AM

David Frum: At least four others probably knew of UKR scandal

Pence
Mulvaney
Pompeo
Giuliani

We’ve Reached the Breaking Point

In June, President Donald Trump was enjoying a rare respite from scandal. He had successfully squelched Special Counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation. Mueller had agreed to abide by Department of Justice guidance that the president could not be indicted for violating any criminal law. Since Mueller had also limited his examination of “collusion” to potential violations of criminal law, the Mueller investigation had marched itself into a dead end of predetermined futility.
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So don’t say you weren’t warned. Trump got away with it the first time. The lesson he learned was to try again.
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The breathtaking thing about Trump’s latest abuse is how many people knew about some, or all, of it as it happened. Vice President Mike Pence personally spoke to the Ukrainian president about the importance of “corruption”—which in Trump-speak means the importance of doing more of it, not less.

Acting White House Chief of Staff Mick Mulvaney relayed the order to block the distribution of congressionally voted-on funds to Ukraine.

Secretary of State Mike Pompeo extracted statements from Ukrainian officials, in what seems like an effort to shield Trump from the scandal.

And all of this happened in plain sight. Everybody could see the money being withheld for months after Congress had voted on it. Everybody knew that Trump’s personal emissary Rudy Giuliani had traveled to Ukraine to seek dirt on former Vice President Joe Biden. Giuliani appeared on TV to talk about it! - The Atlantic

They're all guilty. Lock them all up, including Barr!

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Response to ffr (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2019, 09:51 AM

1. They speak in code words

just like the Mafia.

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Response to ffr (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2019, 09:57 AM

2. Yes! My first thought when I heard VICE PRESIDENT Pence was

there while this was happening. My fingers are almost fused from hoping for so long that Pence would go down with Trump.

Christian dominionists, of whom Pence is one, have become as grave a threat as our RW kleptocrats, who Pence apparently believes he serves his god through.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #2)

Tue Sep 24, 2019, 10:31 AM

4. I believe Pence is in deeper on all the events and its about time he was investigated as well

I have always believed it will be a double impeachment....

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Response to ffr (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2019, 10:07 AM

3. Can't wait

Rec

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Response to malaise (Reply #3)

Tue Sep 24, 2019, 10:31 AM

5. We can only hope that some members of congress are seeing this cabal.

tRump is but one of the figures in this corrupt act.

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Response to ffr (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2019, 11:43 AM

6. If tRump and Pence go down together does

Pelosi become POTUS?

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 24, 2019, 11:47 AM

8. Shhh. Let's just focus on the corruption and abuse of power allegations,

Then once all have been indicted, impeached, resign, etc., then we can figure out what to do from there.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 24, 2019, 11:48 AM

9. Yes

And she has filled the role of government in waiting to the max. This has been brewing a long time - months if not 2 years

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 24, 2019, 12:54 PM

11. I think they both have to die at the same time. IRL that is not going to happen...

Nor are they both going to resign at the same time.

Honest.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #6)

Tue Sep 24, 2019, 01:01 PM

12. Which alone is enough to ensure you won't get the votes from the Rs in the senate

to actually convict ...

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Response to Cosmocat (Reply #12)

Tue Sep 24, 2019, 01:25 PM

13. Thinking outside the box, do you think this is a R ploy to get Pence as POTUS?

There's no evidence the electorate will stomach tRump/Pence 2020, but with tRump impeached off the ticket and Pence as POTUS, I bet Mitch would fully approve.

Impeachment of tRump won't be enough.

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Response to ffr (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2019, 11:46 AM

7. Now THAT would be a paddywagon!

Add Barr and Mitch if you find they're connected. And actually I think they're all connected, as in knowing what was going on, just not operationally intertwined.

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Response to ffr (Original post)

Tue Sep 24, 2019, 12:46 PM

10. If we can get Pence out as well, I will rejoice. Meanwhile,, pass the butter'n'salt...

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