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Sun Sep 22, 2019, 09:58 PM

Okay, Congress, either shit or get off the pot.

If you're too timid or politically-focused or cowardly or just don't give a shit about your oaths of office and your nation, then get the hell out and let someone else do the job.

How much more shit are you going to let this so-called "administration" get away with? How can you sleep at night? How much more empty bullshit do you expect us to put up with?

Either shit or get off the pot.

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Reply Okay, Congress, either shit or get off the pot. (Original post)
grumpyduck Sep 2019 OP
trueblue2007 Sep 2019 #1
at140 Sep 2019 #2
Hermit-The-Prog Sep 2019 #34
dweller Sep 2019 #3
dchill Sep 2019 #12
athena Sep 2019 #20
dchill Sep 2019 #24
athena Sep 2019 #30
elocs Sep 2019 #39
StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #43
smirkymonkey Sep 2019 #32
TwilightZone Sep 2019 #4
cstanleytech Sep 2019 #7
Gore1FL Sep 2019 #9
cstanleytech Sep 2019 #15
Gore1FL Sep 2019 #40
athena Sep 2019 #21
Gore1FL Sep 2019 #42
KPN Sep 2019 #8
Act_of_Reparation Sep 2019 #18
TCJ70 Sep 2019 #27
Act_of_Reparation Sep 2019 #35
TCJ70 Sep 2019 #36
brooklynite Sep 2019 #5
Gore1FL Sep 2019 #11
Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #6
triron Sep 2019 #23
Laura PourMeADrink Sep 2019 #26
KPN Sep 2019 #10
Catch2.2 Sep 2019 #13
jmbar2 Sep 2019 #14
EffieBlack Sep 2019 #16
SlogginThroughIt Sep 2019 #17
jmbar2 Sep 2019 #19
SlogginThroughIt Sep 2019 #38
uponit7771 Sep 2019 #41
triron Sep 2019 #22
Grammy23 Sep 2019 #25
Tipperary Sep 2019 #29
grumpyduck Sep 2019 #28
Moostache Sep 2019 #31
smirkymonkey Sep 2019 #33
Falcata Sep 2019 #37

Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 10:00 PM

1. I AGREE WITH YOU.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 10:03 PM

2. Congress ----) politicians ----) acting political!

No surprise there!

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Response to at140 (Reply #2)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 10:42 AM

34. good politicians consider all their constituents, not just me

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 10:04 PM

3. ok

you get to vote
that into action in 2020...
until then, you're stuck on the pot

✌🏼

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Response to dweller (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 11:41 PM

12. Yeah, cuz that'll be TOTALLY legit.

Surely they won't cheat AGAIN!

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Response to dchill (Reply #12)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 10:13 AM

20. Arguing that voting does not matter is a Republican strategy to suppress the vote.

When people think the system is rigged and their vote won't count, they don't bother to vote. This is well understood, and widely known. The only true remedy against Trump is the vote. Why are you using Republican arguments designed to discourage people from voting?

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Response to athena (Reply #20)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 10:26 AM

24. Oh, I'll vote. I'd just prefer that it would count.

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Response to dchill (Reply #24)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 10:35 AM

30. It WILL count.

Too many people stayed home last time for too many reasons. Some of them saw polls predicting that HRC would win, so they didn't bother to vote. Others thought HRC would win, and they wanted to teach the Democratic party a lesson by voting third-party or Republican. Yet others got a Facebook video that morning making Hillary out to be an evil and scary person, and they lost their motivation to vote. If every liberal makes sure they and their friends don't fall for any of this in 2020, Trump will be history, and we can then focus on trying to undo the damage. Democrats can pass laws to make sure no one can abuse American democracy again the way Trump did, requiring, for example, that every candidate for the presidency release ten years of tax returns before being allowed on the ballot. We just have to make sure we don't fall for Russian propaganda again.

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Response to athena (Reply #20)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 05:02 PM

43. Funny how the people who supposedly have this all rigged to the point that are vote doesn't matter

 

Go through an awful lot of trouble to keep us from actually voting... And then they always vote themselves.

If they had it rigged, they wouldn't need to stop us from voting since it wouldn't matter and they wouldn't need to vote since it was already rigged.

But we always fall for the okie doke and then make it easier for them to steal it (or not need to steal it) when we don't vote.

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Response to dchill (Reply #12)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 10:36 AM

32. Here's the problem.

A lot of people will stay home in 2020 because they are tired of Congress doing nothing in the face of corruption. At least if we act, people may be motivated to vote Democratic because we made the damn effort to stop these bastards.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 10:25 PM

4. It's not "Congress"

It's the GOP.

If we had control of both houses, we'd be having a completely different conversation.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #4)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 11:03 PM

7. Well we would also need to have enough seats in the Senate otherwise if we fall even

one seat short he would not be convicted.

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #7)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 11:17 PM

9. Every vote not-to-remove is a vote that has to be explained to the electorate.

I see that as a win, even if the effort doesn't result in removal.

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 07:43 AM

15. The same electorate that was stupid enough to choose Trump in some states?

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Response to cstanleytech (Reply #15)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 04:57 PM

40. Yes. All 50 states' electorates.

I find that superior to Democrats having to explain why they were too afraid to do the right thing.

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Response to Gore1FL (Reply #9)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 10:16 AM

21. Once the House votes to impeach,

Mitch McConnell will claim that the Senate will never vote to convict, and so he will never bring it up for a vote. Then, Trump will claim victory, and his supporters will say he's been absolved. And he will continue to flout the law. How, exactly, will that help?

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Response to athena (Reply #21)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 04:59 PM

42. It puts it in the national discussion and it shows Democrats care about the rule of law.

Those 2 points alone make it worth it, but the benefits are not exclusive to those two things.

If the Democratic Party won't fight for our values then Nader was right and there is no fundamental difference, at least in the outcome.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #4)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 11:15 PM

8. Are you sure? It takes 66 votes in the Senate. I think we'd likely still be be ambivalent and

hedge our bets. It's because we think. Normally a good trait, maybe not so much in this instance.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #4)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 08:08 AM

18. Yes, the GOP will block impeachment.

So.

Fucking.

What.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #18)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 10:32 AM

27. The GOP can't block impeachment...

...if scared Dems realize doing the right thing is always the right thing to do.

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Response to TCJ70 (Reply #27)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 11:29 AM

35. Yes, yes, yes, I know.

The House votes to impeach, the Senate tries the accused. I misspoke.

The point is it doesn't matter whether or not the Senate will find Trump guilty. Trying and failing can't hurt us any more than sitting on our thumbs currently is.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #35)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 11:44 AM

36. Agreed. n/t

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 10:31 PM

5. How many Democratic House member do you propose to "replace"?

You can get pro-impeachment members elected to replace them, right?

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #5)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 11:20 PM

11. You put "Replace" in quotes, but you were the first in the thread to use the word.

Why not just get the ones that are there to do their job?

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 11:03 PM

6. Totally agree..like a nightmare. Is it real? Who among

us a year ago EVER imagined our side would not be in unison to stop trump? And hold him accountable? Never in my wildest dreams.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #6)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 10:20 AM

23. I did. I have seen too many naysayers.

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Response to triron (Reply #23)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 10:29 AM

26. Even pre-mueller report?

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 11:17 PM

10. How about just leave it at "shit or get off the pot". That suffices.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Sun Sep 22, 2019, 11:51 PM

13. Agree 1000%

The Dems will lose more support/votes if they continue to do nothing.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 12:57 AM

14. Read up on the impeachment process

They are doing it by the book, building an airtight case.

They are still awaiting some key evidence - the Deutsche Bank Records and the tax returns, as they are winding their way through various court challenges. These are the smoking guns, not all the other stuff.

It would be best for the formal impeachment to start in November so that all the public hearings occur during election season. It will be very hard to run for election as a Republican after your president has been shown to be a Russian money launderer.

The more I read about how they are proceeding, the more comfortable I am with their pace.

See the twitter feed of Teri Kanefield for very good reporting on the process.

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Response to jmbar2 (Reply #14)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 07:55 AM

16. That takes too much work

 

Itís so much easier to type out rants online than to do any research.

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Response to jmbar2 (Reply #14)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 08:01 AM

17. Thank you!!!!

 

Thank you for stating this. I am so exhausted of reading people bashing the party, its leadership, and their direction because they arenít doing what we want them to do right now consequences be damned.

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Reply #17)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 10:10 AM

19. My hunch

Some of these criticisms may be "Active Measures" planted by people who want to sow dissension among Democrats, perhaps causing them to jump the gun. Notice that every time Trump or his admin does something outrageous, everyone piles on Nancy Pelosi, demanding that she jump the gun.

The opposition would like to kneecap Nancy Pelosi because she is so quietly and discreetly effective at herding cats.

It is her super power.

Don't get discouraged - speak out whenever you see it happening.

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Response to jmbar2 (Reply #19)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 12:18 PM

38. Completely agree

 

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Response to jmbar2 (Reply #14)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 04:59 PM

41. +1, "so that all the public hearings occur during election season"

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 10:18 AM

22. You sound like my dad did.

this was a favorite of his.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 10:27 AM

25. Just how do these Congress critters think they will be treated by the historians


if they do absolutely nothing about tRump and his corrupt administration. If all they do is dither and give us reasons why we canít do a damn thing ó at this time ó do they really think tRump will stop what he is doing? Do they honestly think things will get better?? If nothing else, what do they think will be their legacy in the history books?

Iím shocked that weíre talking about the next election and yet the corruption from previous elections is still up for debate. Do the members of Congress really think that suddenly all the players will be honest and trustworthy during the 2020 campaign and election process?

Iím fed to the teeth with all the delays and dithering. When the story broke last week about the whistle blower, I was expecting all hell to break loose. Instead we hear the same olí sh*t. A hearing a week later is mentioned. No hair on fire. Nobody staring bug eyed into the cameras. Just another day in DC. Pretty soon we will just tune them all out. They are playing such a dangerous game. They need to wake up because we, the people, are counting on you to do your job. We cannot do it for you. Thatís why YOU were elected. To represent US.

Stop procrastinating. Do the right thing. Start impeachment ASAP. The people you represent turn our lonely eyes to you to rid us of this menace that was thrust upon on.

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Response to Grammy23 (Reply #25)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 10:35 AM

29. Yup.

 

So right.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 10:34 AM

28. Thank you to those of you who responded,

and especially to those who made thoughtful responses. I learn a lot from those.

However, my OP isn't just about impeachment. The last few months have been a sad collection of huge build-ups to nothing: the Mueller hearings, the Barr and Cavanaugh confirmations, and most recently the Lewandowski hearings. It's making them look like a bunch of lame ducks. And now all the rhetoric about T's phone call.

And yes it's mostly the GOP doing this, but it's all sounding so predictable: all sizzle and no steak. Empty rhetoric. More words by lawmakers. Yawn.

I'd love to see how the last couple of years would have played out as a football game, and how many people would be left in the stadium.

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 10:36 AM

31. IMPEACH or RESIGN (their seat)

Impeachment is not about removal from office....so STOP with the BS talking points and hand wringing - leave that to the Senate (who have their own set of problems to confront)...IMPEACHMENT is the mechanism available to the House to hold a lawless Executive Branch to account. Full Stop. It is the investigation, the indictment if you will.

ANY member - From Pelosi to AOC - that is unwilling to tackle the hard choices and hold the hard votes or to do the uncomfortable things that the Constitution demands, should not have taken the Oath of office and if they still will not act now, they MUST RESIGN.

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Response to Moostache (Reply #31)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 10:40 AM

33. +1000

Hear, hear!

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Response to grumpyduck (Original post)

Mon Sep 23, 2019, 12:10 PM

37. They don't even

have close enough votes to pass it in the House. The Speaker does not have a magic wand she can wave to get the needed votes. She knows how to count tho.

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