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Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:31 PM

This unbelievable stupid mistake by Trump, may be what we all remember the rest of our lives.

With the swipe of a pen Trump ended the nuclear agreement with Iran. Not because Iran broke the agreement, because Israel wanted Trump to break the agreement. Because Obama made the agreement.

I am not a fan of Iran, never have been. This time they are not at fault, Trump is.

With the swipe of a pen Trump ruined years of work by Obama, Kerry, our allies and Iran. He ruined our good name. He made it impossible for Iran to ever make a deal with us again.

Trump gave Iran two choices, Give Trump everything he wants, ( not going to happen) or do everything in their power to defend themselves from a country that lied to them and then attacked their economy with sanctions. This dumb decision by Trump could drive Iran into getting the bomb. From where they sit they must be thinking this is the only way we can protect ourselves.

If Iran does start building a bomb, then what will Israel and Trump do, bomb them? What comes after that?

This stupid decision by Trump is the kind of decision that can lead to things spinning out of control with no way to stop it.

The moment Trump was elected I predicted he would push the world into chaos. The decision to break our word and end the nuclear deal has the potential to do just that.

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Reply This unbelievable stupid mistake by Trump, may be what we all remember the rest of our lives. (Original post)
shockey80 Sep 15 OP
Grasswire2 Sep 15 #1
czarjak Sep 15 #4
mopinko Sep 15 #6
paleotn Sep 15 #21
maxsolomon Sep 15 #11
Scarsdale Sep 16 #41
maxsolomon Sep 16 #48
Scarsdale Sep 16 #49
maxsolomon Sep 16 #50
TheRealNorth Sep 16 #51
maxsolomon Sep 16 #52
GeorgeGist Sep 15 #2
moondust Sep 15 #10
SWBTATTReg Sep 15 #22
Scarsdale Sep 16 #42
moondust Sep 16 #43
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Sep 15 #26
Scarsdale Sep 15 #29
NastyRiffraff Sep 15 #33
Johnny2X2X Sep 15 #3
mopinko Sep 15 #5
DDySiegs Sep 15 #7
SeaTownBlue Sep 15 #8
3catwoman3 Sep 15 #9
FakeNoose Sep 15 #12
magicarpet Sep 15 #37
bluescribbler Sep 15 #13
Backseat Driver Sep 15 #27
CDerekGo Sep 15 #14
no_hypocrisy Sep 15 #15
malaise Sep 15 #25
Mr.Bill Sep 15 #16
Duppers Sep 15 #17
Vinca Sep 15 #18
OMGWTF Sep 15 #19
Hermit-The-Prog Sep 16 #40
paleotn Sep 15 #20
Midnight Writer Sep 15 #23
grantcart Sep 15 #24
fleabiscuit Sep 15 #28
McKim Sep 15 #30
Aristus Sep 15 #31
yellowdogintexas Sep 15 #34
BigmanPigman Sep 15 #35
Perseus Sep 16 #47
BigmanPigman Sep 16 #53
captain queeg Sep 15 #32
Captain Zero Sep 16 #38
justgamma Sep 15 #36
Perseus Sep 16 #45
geralmar Sep 16 #39
Perseus Sep 16 #44
spanone Sep 16 #46

Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:38 PM

1. He does what Pooty tells him to do.

So if you want to see what comes after that, in any area, look to Putin's intent.

Destruction of the Western Alliance, chaos in America, repudiation of climate protections......

All as planned. A dystopian destruction of democracy everywhere.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:43 PM

4. Exceeding his wildest expectations.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:46 PM

6. disruption of world oil markets is probably

something he didnt dare dream of. yet here we are.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #6)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 02:43 PM

21. Couldn't have come at a better time for Putin.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #1)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:35 PM

11. Putin didn't tell him to break that deal. Bibi did, and his own jealous brain did.

Break a deal, face the wheel.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #11)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 06:39 AM

41. This attack works for all 3 dic-tators.

tRump - impeachment will be delayed. Bib - recall election may be delayed. Vlad - his re-election fraud will be dropped. So, what if a few million people are destroyed during this? I still think the US is behind this drone strike. We can not believe anything from this administration.

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Response to Scarsdale (Reply #41)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 11:02 AM

48. Israel will delay elections because of a drone strike on an oil refinery in SA?

The Dems will delay impeachment because of a drone strike on an oil refinery in SA?

Who launched the drone strike for Trump? The Deep State? The CIA? QAnon? Putin?

Conspiracies everywhere!

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #48)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 11:07 AM

49. They all hope a war

is pending. With tRump wanting to be the "big man on campus" he will orchestrate one. He already thinks he is king of the entire world.

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Response to Scarsdale (Reply #49)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 11:12 AM

50. I don't think he'll start a war with Iran. The real money, the oil money, doesn't want it.

BP doesn't want it, Exxon Mobil doesn't want it, SA doesn't want it, the UAE doesn't want it, Chiner doesn't want it.

The spice must flow, as Frank Herbert wrote. Iran can and would block the Strait of Hormuz almost immediately.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #50)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 01:14 PM

51. Not so sure about that

They will get more $$$ per barrel, with the added hope that they could assume greater control of Iran's oil.

The US can persist on domestic production, and Europe would have to rely more heavily on Russia if oil from the Saudi fields could not be transported.

It's the rest of the economy that would suffer from the increased costs due to oil prices.

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Response to TheRealNorth (Reply #51)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 01:55 PM

52. "Assume greater control of Iran's oil"? How would that work?

Overthrow the Theocratic government and install a puppet? In a mountainous country of 82 million that's been calling us the devil for 40 years?

There's a limit to Trump's saber rattling, and we're about to see it. Maybe the Israelis get the OK to shoot some Revolutionary Guard installations, or maybe take out a refinery in retaliation, but the oil must flow. Always.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:39 PM

2. You know what was just as STUPID?

People voting for Trump.

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:29 PM

10. +1

If there is ONE job on Earth that it would be supremely unwise to gamble with by installing someone with no demonstrated experience, understanding, moral or intellectual fitness for the job, that job is President of the United States.

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Response to moondust (Reply #10)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 02:51 PM

22. Yes! It does get me constantly that people were gullible enough to fall for this human parasite's..

game. I wouldn't be surprised at how many of them we keep hearing about now, that in hindsight, say 'YIKES' and regret their votes. Bring on board w/ the rest of us, and lets save the country together from scumbags like this. The only really big thing rump's done is line his pockets w/ tax cuts.

Oh, and by the way, they finally said something about a tax cut for us/middle class!! I thought (1) during the last election cycle that rump was trying to push a tax cut for the middle class (sure forgot all about that one, eh, rump?). rump butt has been caught w/ his pants down (gross!) and his true intelligence has been revealed to the US public. No wonder he is hiding his tax returns ... broke, paying out the wazoo for interest on loans (what little he's been able to scrap up), in short, a crook.

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Response to SWBTATTReg (Reply #22)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 06:45 AM

42. How can they give more tax cuts, especially

to working class? The treasury is draining FAST from the tax cuts for the rich, the tRump family, the useless "acting secretaries" of all the government agencies. They HAVE to keep the gullible paying taxes to fund their lifestyle and tax breaks. Ivanka got $100 MILLION to fly around the world promoting business for women. What advice does she give for that amount of money? Hire sweatshop employees everywhere, like she does?

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Response to SWBTATTReg (Reply #22)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 07:23 AM

43. Three bankruptcies

and you're laughed off the debate stage: "You want control of the U.S. Treasury?"

Six bankruptcies and you're escorted to the parking lot on suspicion of being involved in some sort of diabolical plot.

He had six bankruptcies.

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Response to GeorgeGist (Reply #2)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 03:19 PM

26. +1000

People who are planning on voting for Trump, despite of all the shit he's done to destroy our country and the rest of the world.

Plus that whole, "Grab 'em by the pussy," thing. How does anyone who has a daughter explain voting for a man who views women with such disdain?

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #26)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 04:50 PM

29. Ivanka claims that she

got her "moral compass" from daddy. How could that be? He has no morals, no intelligence, no class, no qualities whatsoever. He is a bloated, empty buffoon.

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Response to Scarsdale (Reply #29)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 06:03 PM

33. She's right

She has exactly the moral compass of her dad. Which is none.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:42 PM

3. Pulling out of the Russian nuclear deal is worse

Itís chaos in the world. Chaos will lead to wars.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:45 PM

5. the lose talk about the drone attack isnt helping.

i'm w you. my first thought was that he was creating a howling power vacuum that was clearly going to be filled by the worst of the worst.

and yes, what we have done to our own country is a tragedy, but what we have done to the world is a high crime.

we are going to need a truth and reconciliation commission to air out all the crimes, and set the record straight.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 12:57 PM

7. Absolutely True!

The Iran Nuclear Deal was perhaps the most important and valuable American diplomatic achievement since the Truman Administration (Think of Nato Treaty, think of The iMarshall Plan).
Now Trump has destroyed the Iran Deal and heís doing everything he can to dismantle Nato.

There must be some way to treat these evil works of Trump as IMPEACHABLE offenses.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:07 PM

8. Putin Wins!

 

Again.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:08 PM

9. He is a one man...

...wrecking crew.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:37 PM

12. Chump can't wait to push that Nuke button

Now he's closer than ever. He's just betting that Iran will make one false move - and BOOM!

You have to wonder why Pootie would even want this. How does the Russian oligarchy gain from nukes obliterating Iran?

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #12)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 11:04 PM

37. The international price for a barrel of crude oil will sky rocket...

Putie will be swimming in cash once the oil price increases. Russian oil reserves will hit the market and fill the gap.

Putie had more reason than Iran and Yemen to drone bomb Saud-die oil processing facilities.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:48 PM

13. Chaos is coming, anyway.

Climate change, the end of oil, increasing wealth disparity, and many other issues will bring chaos. The only question is, when?

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Response to bluescribbler (Reply #13)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 03:20 PM

27. + 1000

I really hate that he quit the Paris Agreement (climate change solutions) as well.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:49 PM

14. EVERYTHING TRUMP TOUCHES

DIES

Let's just hope we're all still here November 3, 2020 to make certain we live longer

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:49 PM

15. Bibi played Trump (again).

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #15)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 03:17 PM

25. Ding ding we have a winner

Truth will out and suddenly no one is talking about Bibi spying in DC

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 01:50 PM

16. Anf if Iran gets nuclear weapons

Trump will blame Obama.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 02:06 PM

17. Where's the CIA in all of this?

Cough.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 02:09 PM

18. To add insult to injury, despite constantly blaming Obama for giving them billions of dollars

(their own money, by the way), now Trump is proposed we give them $15 billion in taxpayer dollars to have a photo op with him.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 02:37 PM

19. WWIV will be fought with clubs

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Response to OMGWTF (Reply #19)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 03:01 AM

40. we are in the middle of WWIII right now, with no assurance of surviving it

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 02:41 PM

20. Exactly. Iran would be stupid NOT to build a bomb at this point...

simply because they cannot trust the most powerful nation on earth to keep its word. Nuclear weapons, in essence, are the ultimate defensive measure. The ultimate insurance policy against invasion.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 02:56 PM

23. Also further damages the trust from our allies. First, the insane Iraq invasion, now this.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 03:15 PM

24. An important correction: He did not "end the nuclear agreement with Iran"


He broke the agreement, he violated it.

Five years from now when we want agreement on something we will not succeed because they will conclude agreements with the US is only good until the next election.

He has undone 200 years of American diplomacy.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #24)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 03:32 PM

28. +1

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 04:53 PM

30. Iran Does Have a Point

Iran does have a point that it is a large country with many resources and it seeks to have a sphere of influence in its own region, just as we do in Latin America. I donít have a problems with that.
I urge everyone here to visit Iran and see for yourself the cradle of civilization and its incredible cultural offerings. We have been taught by Neocons to view Iran as an ďenemyí but are they really? In my city we are working on building a sister city relationship with Iran and we have several active Peace Corps Returnees.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 04:57 PM

31. I actually am a fan of Iran.

Not their leadership, by any means. But their people. And their culture, which stretches back 3,000 years.

Half the country is under the age of thirty. They have no memory of the Islamic Revolution of 1979. Their young people love Western pop culture, the music, movies, clothing, etc. They've discovered they can enjoy all of these things and still be devout, observant Muslims.

My thing is: why aren't we doing everything we can to make them our ally again? Bill Clinton and Barack Obama made enormous strides in that direction, only to have George W. "Axis Of Evil" Bush and Donald "Reverse Everything That Obama Did" Trump come along.

Before we can even think about changing the leadership in Iran, we need to change the leadership in Israel.

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Response to Aristus (Reply #31)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 06:11 PM

34. I am also a fan of Iran; before Khomeini took over it was very progressive

and the women had much more freedom than other Islamic nations. It was very sad to watch it become a theocracy. I agree things are improving over there, and a predominately young population is going to be a key element.

Having a son in law who is Kurdish/Persian has taught me much about Iran and the culture. I do not see it as it seemed to be in the days of the revolution.

I would love to visit it with his family.

My new grandaughter hears Kurdish in her ear from her other grandmother, English from us and a mix from her aunts. My son in law hasn't decided but he wants her to learn Farsi.

I love it

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Response to yellowdogintexas (Reply #34)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 07:09 PM

35. Anthony Bourdain Iran Episode was on CNN

last night (from 2014). I would love to go just to taste the food. He really enjoyed himself and he was surprised by a lot of what he experienced there considering how they have been portrayed.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #35)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 09:07 AM

47. I went to College with a bunch of Iranians

During the Shah of Iran there were a lot of students from Iran in the USA, and like anyone else in the World, they are just like us, they were a lot of fun to be with. Of course they have their cultural differences with us, and they have their religion, that is what diversity is all about, they were good friends and lovely people.

In USA we have the problem where we cannot see through our differences in color of our skin, religion, culture, we pretend that everyone must think like us instead of enjoying and learning from our differences. It is an incredible shame, and it is even sadder that most people in the USA fail to see that all the hate is fomented by politicians, republicans for the most part, because when they don't have a constructive agenda they resort to hate and lies, so here we are.

They sat me with two Iranian girls who were good friends of mine during the graduation ceremony, one of them opened her gown and took out a small bottle of wine, we all took sips from it. If no American can identify with that naughty action I don't know what else. She was so lovely and lively, and I have to say she was very beautiful as well.

I always think about how easy it is to get along when we don't hate, how easy it is to love when we look past our differences, when we take the time to appreciate our differences, we don't have to be converted, and believe it or not, most other cultures are not trying to convert anyone, but it is good to learn from them, there is good in us all so lets learn, lets open our minds.

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Response to Perseus (Reply #47)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 07:22 PM

53. Tony Bourdain felt exactly the same way

and that is why he made Parts Unknown. Americans are so ignorant and close minded when it comes to other cultures. He wanted to "enlighten" people and show us that we are all the same when you think about it.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 05:50 PM

32. I don't think Putin is all that happy with Trump

Heís a loose cannon, prone to irrational actions. I think Putin hated the idea of Hillary as president, but he didnít expect this irrational moron to do as much damage world wide as he has.

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Response to captain queeg (Reply #32)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 01:51 AM

38. Trump can bloviate all he wants.

Putin has his nuts in a vice, and he won't attack any where with anything unless Putin checks off on it. It is not in Putins interest for Iran to be attacked.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Sep 15, 2019, 10:25 PM

36. Chump may have broken the agreement, but

never forget how the Pukes sent Iran a letter telling them not to sign the agreement. They told Iran basically that you can't trust the USA to keep the agreement. Traitors! All of them!

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Response to justgamma (Reply #36)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 08:56 AM

45. Yes, I had forgotten about that.

And I bet many people have too. We must remind people about it. Yes, traitors all of them.

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Mon Sep 16, 2019, 08:54 AM

44. They are making up stuff to go to war with Iran, we must resist it

And now the administration seems to be trying to find, or make up an excuse to go to war against Iran. Make no mistake, Iran is not what Iraq was at the time, Iraq had no way to defend itself, there were no WMDs, that was a lie, they no longer had a military infrastructure because that was dismantled during Bill Clinton's tenure as President, and we are still there, that invasion was never won, but Iran is equipped to fight, the destruction a war with Iran would bring to the World we have never seen. Whether you are still conned by the conman in the Oval office or not, as a citizen of the World you must let people, politicians know you are against a war with Iran, it will not serve anyone well, it will bring a worldwide massacre like nothing we have seen in our World history. The idiot in the White House may think this is a game, but this is serious business the conman has no idea of consequences because in all his inadequacies, and there are too many, the lack of understanding that actions have consequences is his most dangerous character flaw. He is such a narcissist that he will start a war to avoid impeachment while never giving a thought on the consequences, its all about him.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Sep 16, 2019, 08:56 AM

46. He will never consider it a mistake. He consulted with himself since he knows more than anyone else

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