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Thu Sep 12, 2019, 10:52 AM

Stanford prison experiment mastermind whose work explores the psychology of cruelty:

https://www.alternet.org/2019/09/psychologist-whose-work-explored-the-psychology-of-cruelty-america-under-trump-is-a-nightmare-situation/?utm_source=&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=1443

title of article:

Stanford prison experiment mastermind whose work explores the psychology of cruelty: America under Trump is a ‘nightmare situation’

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On impulse, Trump will call a foreign leader and say, “Hey, why don’t we meet” rather than having his staff set a formal meeting. He has a meeting, and nothing is accomplished. Of course, Trump then says it was a fantastic meeting. Everything is better than it really is. We could be on the brink of war with Iran. His tariffs with China are catastrophic, with profoundly negative consequences for American farmers. His egocentric wall will cost billions of dollars.

It doesn’t matter to him. Donald Trump is a great danger to American society and the world.

The other aspect of great concern regarding Trump is that present hedonists are prone to addiction. For Trump it’s tweets. He’s getting up at all hours of the day and night to send out tweets. Many of them don’t make sense. Many of them are filled with spelling and grammatical errors.



How does Donald Trump’s “present moment” hedonism factor into his pattern of being credibly accused of sexual assault and harassment by numerous women?

Present hedonists are always seeking pleasure of all kinds. For Trump it is sexual pleasure. Obviously, he overeats. He’s obese. That pattern can’t be broken.


Donald Trump is symbolic of the terrible things that are happening about freedom, justice and liberty around the world with the rise of right-wing authoritarianism.

The Trump regime, as planned by White House adviser Stephen Miller, has implemented a nationwide strategic plan of terror against migrant, refugee and immigrant communities. This escalation is barbaric.

The last time we’ve seen such a thing at the national level was in Nazi Germany. This is exactly what happened. In Nazi Germany they began by labeling Jews as vermin, having images of Jews as rats. This is the same thing as Donald Trump saying these migrants are filthy, dirty, criminals, drug addicts and drug dealers. Again, this is stereotyping a whole group of people in order to dehumanize them.


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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 10:55 AM

1. Both horrible and true! He is a significant threat to the US and the world! n/t

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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 10:59 AM

2. What this guy writes about Trump is spot-on. BUT...

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Response to Archae (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:38 AM

4. I'm not sure about this

Perhaps the methodology is suspect.

I've spent considerable time working in jails, the more often i went, and the more frequently i saw the same poorly trained and educated guards, the more abusively I was treated. Often, I had to remind them, that I wasn't one of their prisoners, and didn't have to take their abuse.


I've seen similar developments at security checkpoints in courthouses, and at airports by TSA security personnel. The personnel at these facilities also become abusive over time without proper training and supervision.

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Response to soryang (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 12:42 PM

5. I agree. I've had similar experience.

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Response to soryang (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 12:45 PM

6. The author conceded there was little science behind it

It was always intended to be nothing more than a thought experiment rather than anything designed to collect meaningful data.

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Response to soryang (Reply #4)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 01:09 PM

10. +1000. Observations from the real world. n/t

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Response to Archae (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 01:07 PM

8. Just because something can't be quantitatively measured doesn't mean

it is a "fraud". The cite says as much. The reality of what happened is very true.

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Response to Archae (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 01:08 PM

9. Flawed as a controlled experiment, yes. A fraud has not been shown.

Zimbardo's own words, "So it doesn't fit the standards of what it means to be "an experiment." It's a very powerful demonstration of a psychological phenomenon, and it has had relevance."

There is relevance in this psychological phenomenon that is historic and is found in the experience of many. It deserves proper study but we can't dismiss human flaws because an experiment was flawed. I don't get the impression you're going there though.

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Response to Archae (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:27 PM

14. Zimbardo is also a creep

He's part of the reason I stopped being a member of the American Psychological Association (he was President when 9-11 Happened). He's got some mild Trump characteristics which makes his analysis of him somewhat ironic.

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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:34 AM

3. a MUST read...

everyone should read this!!

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Response to bdamomma (Original post)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 12:55 PM

7. The problem with comparisons of Trump with the Nazis

is that the people we would most want to convince that the comparison is valid dismiss it as being far-fetched and tune the message out.

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Response to elocs (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 01:10 PM

11. That is a problem. How do we support the facts then?

We can't just gloss over reality.

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Response to defacto7 (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 01:41 PM

12. Education and presentation of facts matter

this is cult we are dealing with and constant gas lighting of the public they would believe everything he says. Denial too, even if their daily lives are being messed up they would still support this POS, unless they realize that they have been conned by a BS'er.

For example, Farmers livelihoods are diminishing from the tariffs and countries are going elsewhere to do their business. They are feeling the wrath of this idiot.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #12)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 04:10 PM

13. I do so much agree... education is everything.

With ignorance the rw wins, with education the rw loses.
Farmer's livelihoods dimminishing is so misunderstood and the damage underestimated. As difficilt as it is now and will be in the near future the long-range is even more bleak. Does anyone really think the markets are just going to bounce back to Americans when the tRump nightmare is over? I do not. Once new markets are established in other countries like Russia, China and elsewhere our credibility will have been destroyed and we won't be the go to source any longer.

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