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Thu Sep 12, 2019, 09:25 AM

Help me understand why E-cigarettes and being regulated and certain ones banned?

Cigarette smoking kills almost a half a million people every year in the U.S. alone, primarily from cancer (41%), heart disease (32.7%), and respiratory diseases (26.3%). Smoking causes nearly one out of every five deaths. That's a lot of loved ones lost forever.

https://www.sharecare.com/health/impact-nicotine-addiction-on-body/tobacco-related-deaths-occur-us


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Reply Help me understand why E-cigarettes and being regulated and certain ones banned? (Original post)
SummerSnow Thursday OP
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mr_lebowski Thursday #7
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Response to SummerSnow (Original post)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 09:37 AM

1. they aren't yet, and i doubt they will.

that was a pile of smoke.

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Response to SummerSnow (Original post)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 09:38 AM

2. We have no idea what vaping does yet

These are chemicals, mostly from China, that haven't been tested or studied. This needs to be regulated.

And people die from long term use of cigarettes, people are dying from short term use of E-cigarettes right now because there are contaminated ingredients going around.

It's the difference between regulating pain killers and pulling aspirin off the shelf because they have been found to contain poison. Several hundred people have been sickened in recent weeks with serious issues. This isn't chronic use problem over a period of time, this is a foreign substance got into the supply and is killing people.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #2)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 09:53 AM

7. NO THEY ARE NOT DYING FROM SHORT TERM USE OF E-CIGARETTES

They are dying from buying and using COUNTERFEIT THC cartridges, where the THC is cut with Vitamin E, which is an oil that destroys lung tissue, sold on the street.

NOTHING TO DO WHATSOEVER with vaping nicotine. These deaths are from POT.

Errr ... of course not literally pot ... but it's even more unfair to say 'e-cigarettes'.

And while it's not uncommon to get e-juice with ingredients sourced from China, these deaths and injuries have nothing to do with Chinese contaminants. The 'killer cut' is coming from US companies.

And these so called 'chemicals' you refer to with nicotine vaping ... are food-grade vegetable glycerin (so safe you can enema with it), Rx-grade propylene glycol (used in asthma inhalers and to purify air in hospitals), Rx-grade nicotine (sourced from US tobacco), and various food-grade flavorings, generally US-made.

All are 100% water-soluble, as the proper, real vaping industry has known for YEARS you cannot safely vape any oils.

There's no big mystery about what's in vape juice and many brands use 100% US products, some even use organic ones.

You're spreading fear and nonsense, no offense.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #7)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 10:46 AM

11. Also...

Glade® Room Spray - Clean Linen®

Take a look at ingredient #6.

Propylene Glycol is a solubilizer that can also be found in cosmetics, toothpaste, food and beer. It is sometimes confused with ethylene Glycol, the sweet-tasting ingredient that can be used in air conditioning systems and antifreeze products, but it is a different ingredient. Propylene Glycol is used in our products to help ensure even distribution of the ingredients throughout a product, to help it work better. We also use it as an odor eliminator; as a cleaning agent, or "surfactant," that removes dirt; as a wetting agent; or as a carrier that enables delivery of the product to the surface. In certain products, Propylene Glycol works as a moisturizer helping to prevent a product or surface, like leather, from drying out by retaining moisture making the material softer and more pliable.

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Response to jayfish (Reply #11)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 11:01 AM

12. Right. PG and VG are two of the most ubiquitous and recognized as non-toxic 'chemicals'

as there are in this world. The tech to make them is exceptionally cheap and perfected like 100 freaking years ago.

They are ANYTHING but 'unknown'. Granted we don't know what the combination of PG/VG/Nicotine/Random food flavors might do to one's lungs over decades, very true.

But we DO KNOW what smoking will do to your lungs and body, and we DO KNOW there's 100+ carcinogens in every puff, vs. 0 known carcinogens in a hit from a nicotine vape.

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Response to SummerSnow (Original post)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 09:46 AM

3. All I know is that some scientists think there is an ingredient in SOME

vaping products (something like Vitamin E acetate), predominantly in marijuana type products, that may be causing severe respiratory illness. From what I've read, it's not the well known vaping products or e cigs. Last I saw, six people have died, quite a few ill.

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Response to SummerSnow (Original post)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 09:47 AM

4. It pays to notice

that, for some reason, there is a tendency towards rather hysterical reactions to even minor events as well as knee-jerk, false equivalencies, etc.

My policy is to look at it that way and not get on the bandwagon while awaiting more sound information on a situation. Maybe it is the herd instinct or just the bleed and lead emphasis that modern media goes by, or other factors as well?

That is often how the real witch hunts of old and some historical debacles began, as well. Sometimes it can do much more harm than good and being prone to too much fear about things can make us more vulnerable and our own imagination can get stirred up easily, which might be something to discourage.

It might be a good idea, sometimes, to err on the side of caution, but in some situations it is absurd, considering how many possible dangers we might encounter everyday and in unexpected ways, yet we prevail.



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Response to SummerSnow (Original post)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 09:51 AM

5. This article explains the health concerns in more detail

Buzzfeed:

While health officials hunt for answers, one leading theory points to a bad ingredient in vaping liquids, perhaps Vitamin E, sold on the street. But some physicians suspect the epidemic has always been there, unnoticed until now. And for others, the culprit might be the online world of dubious home-brew recipes for getting a better high while vaping.


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On Friday, federal health officials announced the number of possible severe lung illness cases tied to vaping liquids had more than doubled to encompass more than 450 people in 33 states and the Virgin Islands. The outbreak is characterized by severe pneumonia symptoms, shortness of breath, coughing, fever, fatigue, and respiratory failure — sometimes severe enough to require artificial respiration — and has so far affected mostly young people. The reports all started from a handful of cases in two states, Wisconsin and Illinois, announced at the end of July. Five people have died.


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On Thursday, the New York State health department announced that Vitamin E acetate, an oily chemical found in some foods and lotion, was “now a key focus” of its investigation into the 34 cases in its state, after it turned up in at least one vape product inhaled by each patient.

The FDA’s Zeller pushed back against that conclusion a day later, suggesting that multiple chemicals found in vaping liquids were under investigation. But red herring or not, the finding solidified the leading theory about what is going on: A culprit chemical added to THC-containing vaping liquids that triggers an inflammatory response in the lungs, leading to scarring and other symptoms.


Here's a link: https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/danvergano/vaping-lung-illness-mystery-causes

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Response to SummerSnow (Original post)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 09:53 AM

6. because there are some vaping minors turning up dead and lung damaged

and if you can't understand that I can't help you

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Response to eShirl (Reply #6)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 10:03 AM

9. Minors ... who vaped tainted THC cartridges bought on the streets ...

Nothing to do with vaping nicotine, nothing to do with 'flavored' e-cigs ... but that's what Trump in his infinite wisdom ... wants to ban.

IOW, something that's NOTHING TO DO with the freaking actual problem at hand.

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Response to eShirl (Reply #6)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 10:38 AM

10. Won't Someone Think Of The Childeren?



I'll give you a hint. This doesn't have anything to do with the children. It has everything to do with $.

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Response to SummerSnow (Original post)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 09:53 AM

8. Ironic, right?

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Response to SummerSnow (Original post)

Thu Sep 12, 2019, 01:07 PM

13. Because Big Tobacco is losing BILLIONS to non-tobacco using smokers, this must be stamped out

Think of the poor tobacco field workers, and all the Bic lighter people all going out of business together

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