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Wed Sep 11, 2019, 08:24 AM

On today 9/11 please remember that both w bush & Cheney were warned about the attack on 8/6/2001

Bin Ladin Determined To Strike in US

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Reply On today 9/11 please remember that both w bush & Cheney were warned about the attack on 8/6/2001 (Original post)
Botany Wednesday OP
gordianot Wednesday #1
gibraltar72 Wednesday #2
Botany Wednesday #3
dalton99a Wednesday #4
Permanut Wednesday #28
Roland99 Wednesday #5
UpInArms Wednesday #8
Roland99 Wednesday #9
Botany Wednesday #15
usaf-vet Wednesday #23
UpInArms Wednesday #34
deminks Wednesday #6
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ZZenith Wednesday #29
calimary Wednesday #20
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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 09:32 AM

1. As horrible as the current Trump administration we are experiencing today.

More people; Americans and foreign nationals died due to the negligence and incompetence of the Bush and Cheney administration. Republicans should never be allowed near critical Government offices.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 09:32 AM

2. Today marke the day

Cheney told intercepting jets to stand down.

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Response to gibraltar72 (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 09:44 AM

3. Cheney had the pentagon conducting war games on 9/11/01 and those games simulated ...

... hijacked planes flying into NYC and D.C.. After the WTC was hit our fighter planes were
someplace over the North Atlantic and not protecting D.C. because that was where Dick Cheney
had sent 'em.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 09:47 AM

4. Kick

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #4)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 11:38 AM

28. Bush sat for 7 minutes and did nothing..

- said he was

- collecting his thoughts, and
- didn't want to alarm the children.


So we had a Commander in Chief who neglected to command. As far as the children are concerned, he could easily have excused himself, telling them he had something important to do.

Don't get me started. Oh wait, too late, you just did.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 09:49 AM

5. They knew even a month before that!!!

Ashcroft Flying High
BY CBSNEWS.COM STAFF CBSNEWS.COM STAFF
JULY 26, 2001 / 7:04 PM / CBS
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/ashcroft-flying-high/
Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #5)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 10:04 AM

8. Gtma

I had not seen your post, Roland ... and just posted it again

Am still so angry ... probably will never forgive all of those who allowed that atrocity

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Response to UpInArms (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 10:05 AM

9. +1

That and the PDB. Two things *I’ll* #NeverForget

Those gasps from the 9/11 widows when kindalseezy rice read that title...

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Response to Roland99 (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 10:43 AM

15. And that in the late spring/early summer of 2001 Condi Rice told her friend Willie Brown not ...

... to take any commercial flights.


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Response to UpInArms (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 11:11 AM

23. Allowed? or facilitated!

Last edited Wed Sep 11, 2019, 12:52 PM - Edit history (1)

Allowed or facilitated !!

Remember this phrase "all we need is a New Pearl Harbor".
This phrase is taken from a document entitled Project for a New American Century
https://www.911review.com/motive/pnac.html

https://topdocumentaryfilms.com/new-american-century/

Ask yourself what has changed as of 09/11/19. Only some of the players but IMHO they are using the same game plan laid out in the PNAC document and as seen in the documentary video.

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Response to usaf-vet (Reply #23)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 02:56 PM

34. Well, it was either

LIHOP or MIHOP (let it happen on purpose or made it happen on purpose)

And, there is not scintilla of the entire travesty that I have forgotten or forgiven.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 09:59 AM

6. Kinda Sleezy Rice and the Aug 6th, 2001 PDB

(snip)

RICE: I remember very well that the president was aware that there were issues inside the United States. He talked to people about this. But I don't remember the al Qaeda cells as being something that we were told we needed to do something about.

BEN-VENISTE: Isn't it a fact, Dr. Rice, that the August 6 PDB warned against possible attacks in this country? And I ask you whether you recall the title of that PDB?

RICE: I believe the title was, "Bin Laden Determined to Attack Inside the United States."

Now, the...

BEN-VENISTE: Thank you.

https://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/08/rice.transcript/

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Response to deminks (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 10:39 AM

12. Thanks for the reminder. She said they heard about hijacking but thought it was

going to be a "regular highjacking." (not fly into buildings).

The point is...sure who would have known about flying into buildings - but WHAT DID YOU DO TO STOP, PREVENT A REGULAR HIGHJACKING?

If those guys never got on a plane, 9-11 wouldn't have happened.

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Response to Laura PourMeADrink (Reply #12)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 12:42 PM

29. "Traditional" was the word she used.

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Response to deminks (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 11:00 AM

20. Ahh, Contradicta. How we miss you... NOT!!!

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Response to deminks (Reply #6)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 11:00 AM

21. Yes, never EVER forget Rice's primary role in the 9/11 clusterfuck. (nt)

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 10:01 AM

7. They knew before that

Ashcroft Flying High

BY CBSNEWS.COM STAFF CBSNEWS.COM STAFF
JULY 26, 2001 / 7:04 PM / CBS

Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat.

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Response to UpInArms (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 10:31 AM

11. Ashcroft busy persecuting Tommy Chong for selling glass

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 10:07 AM

10. Follow the Money...

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 10:41 AM

13. Time flies. Memory dies. Which is why the Truth matters.

For instance, AG John Ashcroft stopped flying commercial that summer.



Ashcroft Flying High

CBS News
WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001

Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat.

"I don't do threat assessments myself and I rely on those whose responsibility it is in the law enforcement community, particularly the FBI. And I try to stay within the guidelines that they've suggested I should stay within for those purposes," Ashcroft said.

Asked if he knew anything about the threat or who might have made it, the attorney general replied, "Frankly, I don't. That's the answer."

CONTINUED...

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/ashcroft-flying-high/

Johnny Ashcan knew. Thank you for remembering, Botany.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 10:43 AM

14. Birds of a Feather

And......now, DJT is cosying up to them again - I honestly believe DJT would encourage something like 9-11 if he thought it would make him look better and like he was sympathizing with our nation against an enemy!!! lol In his weird way of thinking, DJT is desperate to make himself look better, even killing a bunch of our people, so he could step in and be 'our big savior'!!!

I remember 9-11 and prior to that, GWB's presidency was not liked by the majority and he was friends with 'them', too and then 9-11 happened. Figure that one out!! Now, DJT is doing the same thing, Why else would DJT be friends with 'our enemies' ? My guess is in case he 'might need them'!!

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Response to marieo1 (Reply #14)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 10:53 AM

19. Birds of an Abusive Feather

Battered spouses recognize this is directly from the abusive spouse handbook

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Response to marieo1 (Reply #14)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 11:05 AM

22. He seems to be trying really hard to foment something.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 10:47 AM

16. I still believe the LIHOP (Letting It Happen On Purpose) theory.


Cheney & the rest of the Project for the New American Century (PNAC) cabal (Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Bolton, etc) wanted to "transform the Middle East" by overthrowing Iraq & other ME countries (including Iran) since the group formed in 1997. They wrote 2 letters to President Clinton urging him to invade Iraq. They coordinated Iraq invasion plans with Netanyahu, before GW Bush was elected & the PNAC filled his cabinet.

In 2000 the PNAC wrote a paper, Rebuilding America's Defenses, that described their vision of an "Imperial America" that militarily dominated the world, including overthrowing governments across the Middle East, & noted they would need "some catastrophic and catalyzing event – like a new Pearl Harbor" in order to launch their wars in the Middle East.

Then, after they had filled GW Bush's cabinet, they got credible intelligence that just such a "catastrophic and catalyzing event" was on the way ... & they did nothing to stop it, because they needed it to carry out their Iraq invasion plans. On 9/11 they got their "new Pearl Harbor" & the rest is sad history.

LIHOP, Letting It Happen On Purpose, because the PNAC needed exactly an event like this to carry out the Iraq invasion they had been planning for & pushing for since 1997.

There is so much more, I will never forgive our media for ignoring the PNAC while all of this was happening. I wrote about it, tried to get major media interested ... nothing. It's one of the greatest disservices they've ever done to our country.

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Response to CaptainTruth (Reply #16)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 10:51 AM

18. Still lots we don't know, after an administration-led commission and TPTB not interested

in rocking the boat. Even after 18 years we don't know everything. I hope our current public discourse and political infrastructure is healthy enough to get to the bottom of our current crisis.

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Response to CaptainTruth (Reply #16)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 11:27 AM

26. 100% correct Captain Truth

The PNAC statement noted they would need something akin to Pearl Harbor to force their radical agenda through.
That summer, the FBI agents in Phoenix notifying Louis Freigh (sp) head of the FBI, that the commercial airline schools were filled with mid-easterners in classes, but only interested in learning how to fly the planes, not how to land them or take them off the ground.
The huge study and report that al gore handed them when he and Clinton left office on airline security and who the bad boys were around the world. (al queida). In his report, Gore even told them which airport (Logan) they would probably use because Boston had by far the worst passenger screening........
Then there was Christie Todd Whitman, Bush's head of EPA telling everyone in Manhattan that the air was fine and to rush in and start cleaning up when her own people and the people sampling the air were telling her it was far from ok to breath that dust. They wrote numerous letters and delivered them to her personally and she threw them away after reading. William Rivers Pitt did some great articles on Gore's study that he handed to them upon leaving. A St. Louis paper did some awesome reporting on the air in Manhattan, and Christie Todd Whitman's complicity, only a day or two after 9/11 which no other news media picked up on.......The St. Louis paper also published articles on why Whitman would want to NOT make public how bad the dust was due to her family's major investments being lost if she blew the whistle......(The fam had major money in GE, which owned Traveler's insurance, which insured many businesses in Manhattan, and the fam would lose a ton of money if it became a SuperFund Clean up site, which it should have been declared to be......just ask the firefighters and police and workers at ground zero who are now plagued with an epidemic of cancers from inhaling the dust.............Cheney, Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz, Perle, and a hundred other of their co-conspirators should be at the Hague for international war crimes as well as their allowing 9/11 to happen........

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 10:49 AM

17. Thank you. nt

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 11:17 AM

24. Of course I have always

believed that this was an inside job more than it was made to look. Well, that just makes me look like a conspiracy theory nut but I stand by my belief.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 11:18 AM

25. It never ceases to amaze me

how much Bush was lionized for his response to 9/11 but never really attacked for his obvious negligence before the fact. Now, we'll never know for certain whether 9/11 was absolutely, unequivocally preventable (former Senator Bob Graham I think discussed in a book some points at which it may have been thwarted), but, based on what know, at the very least, the Bush team clearly did not have the laser-beam-like focus on terrorism and Al-Queda that Clinton had in the later years of his Administration and FFS if you get a PDB like the one he got on 8/06/01, you should at least be a little more concerned than they seemed to be. Al Franken, in one of his books, laid things out pretty well in terms of how the Bush WH handled things leading up to 9/11/01, which was pretty damning ("Operation Ignore".

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 11:32 AM

27. I have not forgotten

I can't watch the tributes because of the depth of anger I feel toward that group of traitors.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 12:43 PM

30. K&R...

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 12:49 PM

31. Just look at the little round hole in the Pentagon

It wasn't a plane that did that. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that with no doubt.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 01:06 PM

32. Not to forget Coleen Rowley.

~
In May 2002 Rowley testified to the Senate and the 9/11 Commission about the FBI's pre-9/11 lapses (re: Moussaoui investigation) due to its internal organization and mishandling of information related to the attacks.
~
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coleen_Rowley#Career

Three months later Dick Cheney claimed:
“Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction. There is no doubt he is amassing them to use against our friends, against our allies, and against us.”

http://blog.legalsolutions.thomsonreuters.com/legal-research/today-in-2002-cheney-first-publicly-claims-iraq-has-wmds/

At the time I actually thought Cheney was just trying to change the headlines to smother Rowley's embarrassing narrative. In retrospect it looks more like he saw 9/11 as an opportunity to open up Iraq's massive oil fields to his oil cronies in Texas--perhaps setting a precedent for what they now want to do in VZ.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 01:20 PM

33. Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill, Dubya, his former business partner?

Bush was warned OBL hijacked jet threat at Genoa G-8 summit in July 2001.

So Bush avoided the hotel and slept aboard a missile destroyer in the harbor.

Here's the story from July 2001:



Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?

By James Hatfield

Editor's note: In light of last week's horrific events and the Bush administration's reaction to them, we are reprising the following from the last column Jim Hatfield wrote for Online Journal prior to his tragic death on July 18:

July 3, 2001—There may be fireworks in Genoa, Italy, this month, too.

A plot by Saudi master terrorist, Osama bin Laden, to assassinate Dubya during the July 20 economic summit of world leaders, was uncovered after dozens of suspected Islamic militants linked to bin Laden's international terror network were arrested in Frankfurt, Germany, and Milan, Italy, in April.

German intelligence services have stated that bin Laden is covertly financing neo-Nazi skinhead groups throughout Europe to launch another terrorist attack at a high-profile American target—his first since the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen last October.

According to counter-terrorism experts quoted in Germany's largest newspaper, the attack on Dubya might be a James Bond-like aerial strike in the form of remote-controlled airplanes packed with plastic explosives.

Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill, Dubya, his former business partner?

CONTINUED...

http://web.archive.org/web/20060906150015/http://www.onlinejournal.org/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R-091901/hatfield-r-091901.html



FTR: Hatfield died a few days after this was published. A suicide. By hanging.

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 03:19 PM

35. While Bush vacationed, 9/11 warnings went unheard.

The Out-of-Towner

While Bush vacationed, 9/11 warnings went unheard.


By Fred Kaplan

In an otherwise dry day of hearings before the 9/11 commission, one brief bit of dialogue set off a sudden flash of clarity on the basic question of how our government let disaster happen.

The revelation came this morning, when CIA Director George Tenet was on the stand. Timothy Roemer, a former Democratic congressman, asked him when he first found out about the report from the FBI's Minnesota field office that Zacarias Moussaoui, an Islamic jihadist, had been taking lessons on how to fly a 747. Tenet replied that he was briefed about the case on Aug. 23 or 24, 2001.

Roemer then asked Tenet if he mentioned Moussaoui to President Bush at one of their frequent morning briefings. Tenet replied, "I was not in briefings at this time." Bush, he noted, "was on vacation." He added that he didn't see the president at all in August 2001. During the entire month, Bush was at his ranch in Texas. "You never talked with him?" Roemer asked. "No," Tenet replied. By the way, for much of August, Tenet too was, as he put it, "on leave."

And there you have it. National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice has made a big point of the fact that Tenet briefed the president nearly every day. Yet at the peak moment of threat, the two didn't talk at all. At a time when action was needed, and orders for action had to come from the top, the man at the top was resting undisturbed.

Throughout that summer, we now well know, Tenet, Richard Clarke, and several other officials were running around with their "hair on fire," warning that al-Qaida was about to unleash a monumental attack. On Aug. 6, Bush was given the now-famous President's Daily Brief (by one of Tenet's underlings), warning that this attack might take place "inside the United States." For the previous few years—as Philip Zelikow, the commission's staff director, revealed this morning—the CIA had issued several warnings that terrorists might fly commercial airplanes into buildings or cities.

And now, we learn today, at this peak moment, Tenet hears about Moussaoui. Someone might have added 2 + 2 + 2 and possibly busted up the conspiracy. But the president was down on the ranch, taking it easy. Tenet wasn't with him. Tenet never talked with him. Rice—as she has testified—wasn't with Bush, either. He was on his own and, willfully, out of touch.

A USA Today story, written right before Bush took off, reported that the vacation—scheduled to last from Aug. 3 to Sept. 3—would tie one of Richard Nixon's as the longest that any president had ever taken. A week before he left, Bush made a videotaped message for the Boy Scouts of America. On the tape, he said, "I'll be going to my ranch in Crawford, where I'll work and take a little time off. I think it is so important for the president to spend some time away from Washington, in the heartland of America."

CONTINUED...

http://www.slate.com/id/2098861

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Response to Botany (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 08:37 PM

36. W., illegitimate, still the worst "President" I have experienced.

I'm watching some of the footage of that day. People running through the streets for their lives. That's a fucking sign of the GOP being "good" at security?

Firefighters climbing up, then dying the collapse.

Dick Cheney is a sociopath. Rumsfeld still sucks. Rice ignored all warnings, all lights blinking red. Jeb Bush helped his bro steal the election.

How in the hell could a plane fly into the pentagon with no resistance? No fighter pilots shooting the god damn thing down.

MY PET GOAT. The secret service let the idiot sit in a classroom instead of getting the idiot out of there and into safety.

Inside job. Fuck the GOP.

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