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Wed Sep 11, 2019, 06:43 AM

This is the day where everything changed in America. 9/11/2001

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 06:46 AM

1. Sad in so many ways.

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Response to democratisphere (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 06:51 AM

2. Yes. There are events that can change everything. The assasination of JFK was another such event I

believe

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 07:18 AM

3. yup - for the worse

Amazing how they so quickly morphed the enemy from 12 psycho Saudis to whole countries and regions and decades of unending violence. Something deeply deeply wrong with this country to allow this. And now Trump. What a shitty 20 years.

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 07:31 AM

4. I've always believed....

If Gore was president he would not have ignored the bin laden memo. And 9/11 wouldn’t have happened. I trace everything back to Florida 2000

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Response to Takket (Reply #4)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 07:38 AM

6. I agree. He also would not have ignored the Hart/Rudman report commisioned by Bill

Clinton warning about this, which Cheney through that report away


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Response to still_one (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 07:35 AM

5. Because we allowed it to change for the worse.

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 07:44 AM

7. Sure, but it wasn't the first.

I think the Kennedy assassination was when we really lost the country. It only got worse from there. Nixon, Reagan, both Bushes and now this asshole. One thing led to the next step downward and no one did anything about it. No one was ever held accountable for any of this.

And frankly, I don’t think Тяцмр will be either.

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Response to BlueTsunami2018 (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 07:50 AM

8. I agree, except to add there are quite a few times, and probably the most significant was the Civil

War

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Response to still_one (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 08:51 AM

11. Fair.

But we had gone a hundred years on a somewhat “normal” path after that, improving slowly but surely. I think the Kennedy assassination put the MIC (and satellite oligarchs) in firm control and it’s only gotten worse since. And all to the detriment of our working and middle classes. Since then, the “conservative” movement has used the military and false patriotism to erode all the gains we had made as far as closing the income gap and other macro economic issues. Reagan (or rather his puppeteers) used his “strength” and “patriotism” to convince people to accept trickle down bullshit and his Republican successors have doubled and tripled down on it. W and Cheney were particularly egregious and disgusting in exploiting those things to the point where if you disagreed with them about anything at all, you were anti-American and pro-terrorism. Тяцмр (or rather his puppeteers) is doing very much the same thing except using immigrants as his main foil.

There are many turning points in our history but I think the killing of JFK really started the ball rolling to where we are now, on the brink of actual fascism.

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Response to BlueTsunami2018 (Reply #11)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 09:10 AM

13. It sure shocked many of us out of our idealistic Camelot illusion

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 07:52 AM

9. Yes. The opportunists saw it as their big chance to grab with both hands

The "new Pearl Harbor" they were wishing for.

The big chance to push their pet projects which they could never hope to bring off without alarm bells muting opposition.

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Response to JHB (Reply #9)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 07:53 AM

10. That was the whole PNAC argument

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 08:54 AM

12. I remember telling my coworkers that day that nothing would ever be the same again. n/t

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 09:16 AM

14. Very tragic time.

It's sad that there were some willing to surrender their liberties for safety during those times.

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 09:40 AM

15. We let the terrorists win

America is not recognizable from what it once was. We gave up our freedoms and are now in the process of giving up our Democracy.

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Response to still_one (Original post)

Wed Sep 11, 2019, 09:41 AM

16. Most of the damage inflicted on us post 9/11 was self inflicted...

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