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Fri Sep 6, 2019, 06:53 AM

Too Big To Jail?

Bigger than the FBI. Bigger than the CIA. Bigger than the governments of Europe. Bigger than the US Congress. Bigger than the US Government.

It seems we are dealing with an international criminal organization that is larger than any country or any legal institution? Somehow, there is always an escape hatch? Somebody is being paid off. Somebody is being bribed. Somebody is being threatened. The "System" is there to use for the criminals.

Nobody is above the law? Perhaps we should re-think that? It has become painfully obvious that the law does not apply to the wealthiest criminals in the world.

Perhaps someday, we will find justice for these people. But I have my doubts that we will find it within our political system. Our country, our laws, our system of justice is not as strong as we once may have thought.

I realize this is a cynical view to have but I firmly believe that justice delayed is justice denied. Everywhere I look, I see justice delayed.

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Reply Too Big To Jail? (Original post)
kentuck Sep 6 OP
The Wizard Sep 6 #1
Jeffersons Ghost Sep 6 #2
Botany Sep 6 #3
lagomorph777 Sep 9 #28
Botany Sep 9 #29
lagomorph777 Sep 9 #30
Botany Sep 9 #31
2naSalit Sep 6 #4
rurallib Sep 6 #5
kentuck Sep 6 #17
bucolic_frolic Sep 6 #6
CaptYossarian Sep 6 #7
calimary Sep 6 #11
Kid Berwyn Sep 6 #8
BigmanPigman Sep 6 #20
Kid Berwyn Sep 7 #22
Ferrets are Cool Sep 6 #9
moondust Sep 6 #12
Bettie Sep 6 #10
Hermit-The-Prog Sep 6 #13
Roy Rolling Sep 6 #14
kentuck Sep 6 #15
pecosbob Sep 6 #16
Pepsidog Sep 6 #18
MasonDreams Sep 6 #19
zaj Sep 6 #21
dchill Sep 7 #23
SargeXXX Sep 7 #24
KentuckyWoman Sep 8 #25
kentuck Sep 10 #32
Hortensis Sep 8 #26
spanone Sep 8 #27

Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 07:28 AM

1. We are under siege

and threatened by an unbridled criminal cartel that will enslave the working class.
Will we be reduced to pitchforks, torches and rope? Let's hope there's enough political courage to imprison this lawless assault on humanity.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 07:37 AM

2. K&R Justice is an endangered species in the USA

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 07:43 AM

3. This is the largest crime in US History and Bill Barr is the Consigliere

It is so big that it is hard to wrap your head around "it."

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Response to Botany (Reply #3)

Mon Sep 9, 2019, 03:20 PM

28. Putin is Capo Di Tutti Capi; Don is merely one of his lesser Dons.

Barr is just a soldier.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #28)

Mon Sep 9, 2019, 03:41 PM

29. No Bill Barr is Tom Hagen.

He is a firewall stopper.

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Response to Botany (Reply #29)

Mon Sep 9, 2019, 03:46 PM

30. He's Trump's Tom Hagen.

Putin already has one.



Chaika.

Barr ranks lower than Trump, and lower than Chaika.

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Response to lagomorph777 (Reply #30)

Mon Sep 9, 2019, 05:09 PM

31. Trump is no Don Corleone

Now if you agree that Jeffery Epstein was whacked in jail who do you think did the hit?

Local Mob ... such as the Rizzo boys out of Staten Island (or some mobbed up group)

Putin's punch out team

The Crown Prince's Bone Saw team

******

That stuff is just kind of kidding but we are dealing with a the biggest international crime syndicate
in the world. It is massive.

****
thanx for bringing up Chaika .... One of Maria Butina's Russian backers/handlers

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 07:43 AM

4. K&R

It is up to us to MAKE this change. I hope we can do it.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 07:59 AM

5. And now Boris Johnson wants to be a part of the international group

and the price of his admission is to deliver Brexit to Putin no matter what he has to do.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #5)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 12:31 PM

17. He may be a bigger "puppet" than Trump?

If that is possible?

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 08:03 AM

6. I doubt it was ever airtight

The system relied on foreign enforcement and cooperation, which was automatic in high profile cases.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 08:03 AM

7. The good news is that if Trump goes up against a "jury of his peers",

you know it won't be a HUNG jury.

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Response to CaptYossarian (Reply #7)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 08:42 AM

11. Ouch!!!

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 08:14 AM

8. Not cynical.

Realistic.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #8)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 10:43 PM

20. Right you are!

I am often accused of being "too negative" but when I defend my position by saying it is realistic I rarely get an argument.

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Response to BigmanPigman (Reply #20)

Sat Sep 7, 2019, 01:09 AM

22. Furious since Nov. 22, 1963.

From a review of David Talbot’s “The Devil’s Chessboard”:

There were no Kennedy allies on the Warren Commission. Only Republicans and Southern Democrats. J. Edgar Hoover controlled the physical evidence in the case and Dulles was in the pivotal spot to guide the inquiries or witnesses away from any fingerprints of intelligence agencies in concocting Oswald’s “legend” or in the events in Dallas. Serious students of the Kennedy assassination, regardless of their views of the Warren Commission’s “findings,” must read The Devil’s Chessboard if for no other reason than to flesh out Allen Dulles’s role in guiding the public’s perception of the crime of the century.

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/the-devils-chessboard-all_b_8959302

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 08:15 AM

9. Money talks. nt

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #9)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 08:52 AM

12. +1

6 Ways You Didn't Realize Ronald Reagan Ruined The Country

During his time in office, an astounding 138 members of his team were investigated, indicted, or convicted for their roles in various scandals.

When globalized trade took off in the 80s it was naturally followed by globalized crime. The totalitarian Soviet system was corrupted by one-party "absolute power"; when it collapsed in the 90s the corruption was seemingly privatized and magnified (by Yeltsin, Putin, & cronies). Xi has taken on corruption in China but who knows if it will be enough in another one-party system.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 08:33 AM

10. I'm cynical too

rich people rarely pay for their crimes and then only if they include violence or fraud against other rich people.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 08:55 AM

13. this is World War III

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 09:09 AM

14. The Opposite

Not too big to jail. Big enough to write the laws.

Formerly illegal acts are legal. They own the judges.

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Response to Roy Rolling (Reply #14)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 09:14 AM

15. And the Executive is permitted by the law to transfer funds to a wall...

...because the Congress passed a law giving him that power?

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 09:42 AM

16. Between June 1793 and the end of July 1794, there were 16,594 official death sentences in France

Don't make us go through all that again.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 08:50 PM

18. We are living during shameful times.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 10:37 PM

19. Three cheers for Kentuck !! I agree 300%

Congress has been not just bypassed, but has lost the power of the purse. Emoluments and corruption are child's play in comparison. This is attacking the core of the Constitution. And no one is screaming about it. We've been had.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Fri Sep 6, 2019, 11:04 PM

21. Robert Mueller's "Iron Triangles" Speech

https://millennialpolitics.co/robert-muellers-iron-triangle-speech-in-full/

This morning, I want to focus on one such evolving threat–that of organized crime. Some believe that organized crime is a thing of the past. Unfortunately, this is not the case. Traditional criminal syndicates still con, extort, and intimidate American citizens.

... We have seen a shift from regional families with a clear structure, to flat, fluid networks with global reach. These international enterprises are more anonymous and more sophisticated. Rather than running discrete operations, on their own turf, they are running multi-national, multi-billion dollar schemes from start to finish.

...Last year, we set up two units, called Threat Focus Cells, to target Eurasian organized crime. The first focuses on the Semion Mogilevich Organization; the second on the Brother’s Circle enterprise.

...For those of you not familiar with either group, their memberships are large, their reach is global, and their scope of operations is broad, from weapons and drug trafficking to high-stakes fraud and global prostitution. If left unchecked, the resulting impact to our economy and our security will be significant. Indeed, Semion Mogilevich is on the FBI Top Ten Most Wanted List, and he will remain so until he is captured.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sat Sep 7, 2019, 04:43 AM

23. Turns out "Nobody is above the law..."

...is no longer operative regarding Trumpsk.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sat Sep 7, 2019, 03:21 PM

24. Oligarchs in Russia stole the election for the Oligarchs in America

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Sep 8, 2019, 02:19 PM

25. I agree with you but I think this is the natural course of how humanity works.

As the world got bigger, the tribal way came and went.
Then monarchy / empire. The elite at the top, rather than feel a responsibility for the common good, figured out how to game the system for their own and eventually ... revolution.

Capitalism has pretty much won out from that point - in various forms. The elite have long ago stopped having any consideration for the common good. They've successfully gamed the system. Eventually this system will have to end in order to clear the deck.

What comes next is anyone's guess. I won't be here to see it.

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Response to KentuckyWoman (Reply #25)

Tue Sep 10, 2019, 08:51 AM

32. It's always been a struggle between the "haves" and "have-nots".

Since time immemorial.

We last few generations have been lucky to live in a time when so many thought they were the "haves". Since WWII ended, the children that have been born have been very lucky. They have lived thru many generations with the progress they have experienced, in my opinion.

Will the future be as bright for the children of today? We must do what we can do to make sure they will have a bright future, also.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Sep 8, 2019, 03:31 PM

26. So, we move on and fix it, dammit. And for us there is a

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fix: We vote for and encourage others to also by supporting Democrats. No excuse for not. The weakening of democracy and downward spiral of our nation into corruption occurring during the same period as a national shift to conservative domination of government is NOT coincidence. It's everything.

What has to be guessed at this point about what allowing the development of new billionaire and centimillionaire classes has done to us? They're only 70,000 or so families altogether, including liberal ones, though. Out of over 300,000,000 people.

Those who say they want and believe in our traditional liberal principles and values are a sizable majority. So how'd all these Republican wealth-serving fascists and the corruption they've been instilling into our systems get and stay in power?

Once again, we have to say a huge no to the lies of false equivalence between the Democrats trying to protect government of, by and for the people and those who are proving it can happen here. People who fall for the lies that "both parties do it" are the problem more even than the Republicans in office because they helped put them there. We're so close every election. Just a little more intellectual honesty and guts in a few and this could never have happened.

We can fix it, some things wonderfully fast, much else will take time. Every year in power the Republicans have deliberately been instilling enormous corruption, including through packing the courts with their hard-core RW political agents.

But that's NOT to be mistaken for that poisonous lie, "Anyway, both parties do it." No, we do not.
The Democrats' giant corruption and elections reform bill currently passed by the House is an enormously important first step. The Republicans and the powers using them know that -- they must stop it from becoming law and crippling them. But they're the minority they always were and incredibly self weakened. And our new kleptocrats? They know we can smash them too. After all, our grandparents did. It's not like we'd be the first.

We can have democracy in this country, or we can have great wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both.

Democratic Speaker Nancy Pelosi quoting liberal Justice Louis Brandeis at the opening of the 116th congress.

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Response to kentuck (Original post)

Sun Sep 8, 2019, 03:41 PM

27. Who better to deliver America to our enemies than don?

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