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Sat Aug 24, 2019, 12:08 PM

Trump's America brings out the racist, gun toting assholes


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Reply Trump's America brings out the racist, gun toting assholes (Original post)
nmgaucho Aug 24 OP
marble falls Aug 24 #1
Historic NY Aug 24 #2
SunSeeker Aug 24 #3
Straw Man Aug 25 #15
SunSeeker Aug 25 #17
Straw Man Aug 25 #19
Downtown Hound Aug 24 #4
uponit7771 Aug 24 #10
mauserk98 Aug 24 #5
dalton99a Aug 24 #7
sarisataka Aug 24 #11
Straw Man Aug 25 #14
sarisataka Aug 25 #16
Straw Man Aug 25 #18
Kingofalldems Aug 24 #6
GulfCoast66 Aug 24 #8
kacekwl Aug 24 #9
VOX Aug 24 #12
Straw Man Aug 25 #13
rockfordfile Aug 25 #20

Response to nmgaucho (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 12:14 PM

1. Please tell me he was arrested.

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Response to nmgaucho (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 12:23 PM

2. Apparently they got his license plate number....more info

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Response to nmgaucho (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 12:29 PM

3. He is a terrorist. nt

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #3)

Sun Aug 25, 2019, 05:36 AM

15. No. He's just an asshole.

No gun there.

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #15)

Sun Aug 25, 2019, 01:45 PM

17. He appears armed, and is hurling racist slurs to intimidate people of color.

It is not clear what that thing on his hip is, but the report was he was armed. You weren't there.

If you want to downplay this as "just" assholery, that is your right, Straw Man, and I have the right to make my assessment.

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Response to nmgaucho (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 12:35 PM

4. This is why open carry is an unbelievably stupid thing

Look at what happens when we allow people to openly carry guns. Militia protecting terrorists in Charlottesville. Militia in Oregon threatening state representatives. Racist assholes in the post office being abusive.

An armed society is not a polite society. It's a recipe for fascism, racism, crime, and tyranny.

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #4)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 04:51 PM

10. PO employee: " I was standing my ground"

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Response to nmgaucho (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 02:26 PM

5. He should have been arrested

It's against the law to carry a firearm into a post office. It is posted inside.

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Response to mauserk98 (Reply #5)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 02:44 PM

7. +1. It's 18 U.S.C. 930

https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/930
18 U.S. Code § 930. Possession of firearms and dangerous weapons in Federal facilities
(a) Except as provided in subsection (d), whoever knowingly possesses or causes to be present a firearm or other dangerous weapon in a Federal facility (other than a Federal court facility), or attempts to do so, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 1 year, or both.
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(g) As used in this section:
(1) The term “Federal facility” means a building or part thereof owned or leased by the Federal Government, where Federal employees are regularly present for the purpose of performing their official duties.

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 05:10 PM

11. The reason he will not be arrested

is the subsection (d) in the law you cited.

It is at odds with the posted notice of no firearms may be carried, yet I am not aware of anyone ever having been arrested for ignoring the posted notice. I believe that is due to the subsection (d) exception to prohibition on carry.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #11)

Sun Aug 25, 2019, 05:30 AM

14. Not sure where you're going with the exemptions.

(d)Subsection (a) shall not apply to—
(1) the lawful performance of official duties by an officer, agent, or employee of the United States, a State, or a political subdivision thereof, who is authorized by law to engage in or supervise the prevention, detection, investigation, or prosecution of any violation of law;
(2) the possession of a firearm or other dangerous weapon by a Federal official or a member of the Armed Forces if such possession is authorized by law; or
(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes.

--https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/930

Subsection (d)(1) is for law enforcement; (d)(2) is for military or other armed Feds; (d)(3) refers to hunting on Federal land. Are you suggesting that any one of those applies here? On what evidence?

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #14)

Sun Aug 25, 2019, 01:41 PM

16. The point in question is

Subsection (d) 3
(3) the lawful carrying of firearms or other dangerous weapons in a Federal facility incident to hunting or other lawful purposes. 


I have seen the argument put forth that legal carry falls under "other lawful purpose" and is an exception to the prohibition on firearms in a Post Office.

That said, I am not aware of any court rulings on the issue. People I know who carry leave their firearms outside when doing business at the Post Office. No one wants to be the test case.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #16)

Sun Aug 25, 2019, 04:19 PM

18. OK, I've heard the same argument ...

... about "lawful purposes," but as you've said, no one wants to be the test case. It does seem somewhat illogical to create a prohibition that only applies to something that is already illegal, i.e. carrying for an "unlawful" purpose. The fact that hunting is specifically listed seems to suggest that this exemption was intended for Federal wilderness lands and not the Post Office.

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Response to nmgaucho (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 02:35 PM

6. Another Trump gun hick.

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Response to nmgaucho (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 03:09 PM

8. The Postal Inspectors don't mess around. He will be arrested

And hopefully convicted of the felony he committed.

And then will no longer legally be able to own a gun!

Not only racist but dumb as a box of rocks.

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Response to nmgaucho (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 04:45 PM

9. At least he's well dressed.

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Response to nmgaucho (Original post)

Sat Aug 24, 2019, 06:32 PM

12. This sub-human, hate-filled display should END this asshole's ability to carry a deadly weapon.

It won’t, of course. But WTF ever happened to common fucking sense? Why is this clearly unbalanced individual granted the “right” to carry a death-dealing weapon IN PUBLIC, where he will have repeated encounters with others who will enrage his crazed redneck “sensibilities”?

I read where this cretin had an earlier, similar altercation. He’s going to keep doing this. At some point, simply because it’s there, that weapon will be used when he hits peak rage. Then Republicans will pivot to a “mental illness problem, rather than a gun problem.”

But here’s the thing: guns and crazy go together like Velcro and loose thread. They attract one another. The public deserves UNIVERSAL BACKGROUND CHECKS at the very least.

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Response to nmgaucho (Original post)

Sun Aug 25, 2019, 05:25 AM

13. Pretty sure that's a cellphone on his hip.

When he turns at 0:14, you can see that it's uniformly square. If that's a handgun grip, it's the widest one I've ever seen.

The Post Office is one place that's absolutely off limits for carry. Everyone knows it, and they're all well posted. The man is an abusive, racist asshole, but he's not armed -- at least not openly.

The news link in Post #2 makes no mention of a weapon. Apparently none of the eyewitnesses saw one. I'd trust their perceptions more than I'd trust what random people think they see on an online video.

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Response to nmgaucho (Original post)

Sun Aug 25, 2019, 04:53 PM

20. That racist terrorist should have been arrested

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