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Thu Aug 22, 2019, 01:41 PM

Netanyahu: Hitler Didn't Want to Exterminate the Jews

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Haaretz

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu sparked public uproar when on Tuesday he claimed that the Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, was the one who planted the idea of the extermination of European Jewry in Adolf Hitler's mind. The Nazi ruler, Netanyahu said, had no intention of killing the Jews, but only to expel them.

In a speech before the World Zionist Congress in Jerusalem, Netanyahu described a meeting between Husseini and Hitler in November, 1941: "Hitler didn't want to exterminate the Jews at the time, he wanted to expel the Jew. And Haj Amin al-Husseini went to Hitler and said, 'If you expel them, they'll all come here (to Palestine).' According to Netanyahu, Hitler then asked: "What should I do with them?" and the mufti replied: "Burn them."

Netanyahu's remarks were quick to spark a social media storm, though Netanyahu made a similar claim during a Knesset speech in 2012, where he described the Husseini as "one of the leading architects" of the final solution.

The claim that Husseini was the one to initiate the extermination of European Jewry had been suggested by a number of historians at the fringes of Holocaust research, but was rejected by most accepted scholars.


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Reply Netanyahu: Hitler Didn't Want to Exterminate the Jews (Original post)
brooklynite Aug 22 OP
Siwsan Aug 22 #1
True Blue American Aug 22 #6
Siwsan Aug 22 #7
yardwork Aug 22 #41
The Velveteen Ocelot Aug 22 #2
rogue emissary Aug 22 #3
Ilsa Aug 22 #39
rogue emissary Aug 22 #40
Dirty Socialist Aug 22 #4
hlthe2b Aug 22 #5
Scoopster Aug 22 #8
sinkingfeeling Aug 22 #9
True Blue American Aug 22 #12
yardwork Aug 22 #42
malaise Aug 22 #10
Skidmore Aug 22 #11
pwb Aug 22 #13
IdealsAndReal42 Aug 22 #14
Wellstone ruled Aug 22 #15
IdealsAndReal42 Aug 22 #16
Ace Rothstein Aug 22 #29
IdealsAndReal42 Aug 22 #37
appalachiablue Aug 22 #35
IdealsAndReal42 Aug 22 #36
yardwork Aug 22 #43
IdealsAndReal42 Aug 22 #45
DavidDvorkin Aug 22 #17
11cents Aug 22 #18
apnu Aug 22 #19
onenote Aug 22 #20
MyOwnPeace Aug 22 #30
Aristus Aug 22 #21
11cents Aug 22 #22
Behind the Aegis Aug 22 #23
UniteFightBack Aug 22 #44
TheBlackAdder Aug 22 #24
lame54 Aug 22 #25
elias7 Aug 22 #26
kskiska Aug 22 #27
no_hypocrisy Aug 22 #28
Afromania Aug 22 #31
JDC Aug 22 #32
Vinca Aug 22 #33
Thekaspervote Aug 22 #34
Mc Mike Aug 22 #38
Omaha Steve Aug 23 #46

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 01:43 PM

1. WTF!?!?!?!?!?!?!

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Response to Siwsan (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 01:50 PM

6. Is Netanyahu

So terrified of losing he is acting like Trump? Trump blames Obama for everything. Now Bibi is blaming a Palestenian?

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 01:53 PM

7. It is utterly gobsmacking

trump*, Netanyahu, Johnson - AKA as the Three Jackasses of the Apocalypse. I'm beginning to believe we may actually be in the 'end times'.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #6)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 08:09 PM

41. This is who Netanyahu is. He's said this kind of thing before.

Bigots come in all shapes, sizes, ethnicities, and religions. Some human beings are bigots. Some of those bigots get elected into leadership positions. Fact.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 01:45 PM

2. Well, that certainly isn't going to help ameliorate tensions over there.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 01:47 PM

3. Of course this is one of the few world leaders that likes Donny.

Never thought I see this day but wow.

Frankly there are no words.

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Response to rogue emissary (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 07:42 PM

39. Benji knows he can manipulate donny.

BN is almost as much of a crackpot as trump.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #39)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 08:06 PM

40. Exactly, BN gets whatever he wants from Donny.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 01:48 PM

4. What the holy fuck??

Is there an Article 25 in Israel? Because Netanyahoo is obviously a Psychotic.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 01:48 PM

5. Not that it matters, but this is from 2015. Just an fyi

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 01:53 PM

8. WTF...

I honestly don't understand how a leader of Israel could possibly be involved in holocaust denial like this. I hope that the people of Israel are so offput by this ridiculous nonsense that they put aside their ideological baggage & get rid of him.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 01:54 PM

9. Isn't Israel about to have an election? Could they please vote him out.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #9)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 01:58 PM

12. Yes,in

September,I think.

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Response to sinkingfeeling (Reply #9)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 08:10 PM

42. As with Trump in the U.S., Netanyahu's base loves this.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 01:55 PM

10. Send this fucking criminal to prison

and quickly

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 01:55 PM

11. He's trying to

justify a slaughter of Palestinians to come. Hitler would never think of such a thing by himself and we know Palestinians built and ran those concentration camps. Who's going to call him on this?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 02:03 PM

13. Another fading voice the world has had enough of.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 02:08 PM

14. Netanyahu is 90% wrong.

No doubt here he's pushing hatred towards Muslim for his political murderous agenda, no questions.
That said, Al Husseini positions are historically accurate. It has been proven by researchers that radical Islam and nazism have a lot in common. Hitler did effectively met Al Husseini to share their common wiews on Jewish people.
From various researchs, Hitler had an admiration towards Al Husseini because they had a common purpose.
Where Bibi is totally wrong is that Hitler didn't needed Al Husseini advices to exterminate Jews. The final solution was planned before 1933 and it's pre staging begun with Aktion T4, the elimination of the "unoroductives" (disabled, mentally ill German citizens suffered the first mass gassing in sanatoriums)

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Response to IdealsAndReal42 (Reply #14)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 02:25 PM

15. Bibi loves to twist the thruth to

enhance his Political endeavors.

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Response to Wellstone ruled (Reply #15)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 02:30 PM

16. Yup.

He's a master in revisionism. That's why it's important to state again the true facts.

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Response to IdealsAndReal42 (Reply #14)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 04:05 PM

29. Plus the whole mass murder of the Polish Jews that started with the invasion of Poland.

In 1939.

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Response to Ace Rothstein (Reply #29)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 07:01 PM

37. As well as in all Eastern Europe territories.

In what was called "The Shoah by bullets".

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Response to IdealsAndReal42 (Reply #14)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 06:57 PM

35. Correct, exterminations began in 1939 with the Nazi T4 Euthanasia

program, "Aktion T4." 300,000 disabled & mentally ill persons- 'the unfit'/'useless eaters' were gassed to death by 1945.

Wiki, Aktion T4: Aktion T4 (German, pronounced [akˈtsi̯oːn teː fiːɐ]) was a postwar name for mass murder through involuntary euthanasia in Nazi Germany. The name T4 is an abbreviation of Tiergartenstraße 4, a street address of the Chancellery department set up in the spring of 1940, in the Berlin borough of Tiergarten, which recruited and paid personnel associated with T4. Certain German physicians were authorised to select patients "deemed incurably sick, after most critical medical examination" and then administer to them a "mercy death" (Gnadentod).



The killings took place from September 1939 until the end of the war in 1945; from 275,000 to 300,000 people were killed in psychiatric hospitals in Germany and Austria, occupied Poland and the Protectorate of Bohemia and Moravia (now the Czech Republic). The number of victims was originally recorded as 70,273 but this number has been increased by the discovery of victims listed in the archives of the former East Germany. About half of those killed were taken from church-run asylums, often with the approval of the Protestant or Catholic authorities of the institutions.

> Several reasons have been suggested for the killings, including eugenics, compassion, reducing suffering, racial hygiene and saving money. Physicians in German and Austrian asylums continued many of the practices of Aktion T4 until the defeat of Germany in 1945, in spite of its official cessation in August 1941. More, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aktion_T4

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Response to appalachiablue (Reply #35)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 06:58 PM

36. Thanks for your answer and for documenting.

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Response to IdealsAndReal42 (Reply #14)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 08:12 PM

43. "Disabled, mentally ill citizens" were the first to be gassed.

We need to pay attention to that.

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Response to yardwork (Reply #43)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 08:14 PM

45. Yes, along with Roma, Gypsies who also went to their assassination in Auschwitz.

Those are the almost forgotten genocide victims.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 02:30 PM

17. I thought this happened a few years ago.

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Response to DavidDvorkin (Reply #17)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 02:33 PM

18. It did. The OP linked an article from 2015.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 02:50 PM

19. Article from 2015. (nt)

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 02:52 PM

20. This is a 2015 article. I think its always good form to inform readers when an article is not recent

I'm not suggesting Netanyahu's views are any different today than they were in 2015 -- just that some DUers may think that he just said this in the last couple of days.

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Response to onenote (Reply #20)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 04:06 PM

30. I agree.........

I was ready to launch into a rabid response, then saw a later posting regarding the date.

Yes, he's an asshole.

Yes, IQ45 is an asshole.

Yes, both are assholes.

Just because this article is from 2015 is no reason to dump them both!

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 02:53 PM

21. So.....what? Hitler tripped and fell and the Holocaust just happened?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 03:08 PM

22. Oh, now I see -- this 2015 article is being revived today on Twitter.

I abhor Netanyahu. But, you know, when Trump denounces 80% of us as "bad Jews," the response from the left shouldn't be: "That's outrageous! Those aren't the bad Jews! THESE are the bad Jews, and it's all their fault!"

Shouldn't be, but often is.

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Response to 11cents (Reply #22)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 03:10 PM

23. You have summed up the past two days so very well.

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Response to 11cents (Reply #22)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 08:13 PM

44. I'm glad it's revived because a lot more people are paying attention. nt

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 03:24 PM

24. So, Adolph Hitler was in cahoots with an scholar of Islamic law and Hitler took that man's advice?

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Does Nut-In-Yahoo really believe that shit? I don't think so, which makes those assertions even more dangerous.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 03:54 PM

25. Even if he did...

A suggestion led to the death of 6 million

Hitler should get some credit

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 03:59 PM

26. Please read the article before responding

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 04:04 PM

27. Hitler's inspiration was the Turks' Armenian massacre.


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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 04:05 PM

28. So Bibi, what you're saying is that:

1. Hitler didn't want to kill the Jews, but
2. A Mufti overrode his objections, overwhelmed the free will of a lunatic, and
3. Hitler wanted to kill the physically/mentally disabled within Germany and Europe (all ages including children), gypsies, homosexuals and lesbians, all who were not physically able to perform hard labor (another 6 million murdered) -- but HE DIDN'T WANT TO KILL THE JEWS.

What Yeshiva let YOU graduate Bibi? Have you read any meaningful work about the Holocaust? When in doubt, blame it on the Mufti/Arabs?

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 04:12 PM

31. Oh holy shit. This dude out trump'd trump. The world has gone batshit insane.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 05:10 PM

32. Insanity.

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 05:14 PM

33. Netanyahu is as batshit crazy as Trump. Throw in Boris Johnson for the trifecta.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #33)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 05:46 PM

34. Okay!! And since the dotard wants to go to mars, he can take them along for ...whatever

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Thu Aug 22, 2019, 07:36 PM

38. "Sometimes Forget".

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Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Fri Aug 23, 2019, 03:36 PM

46. After a review by forum hosts....LOCKING

Article is from 2015.

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