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Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:03 PM

A desperate narcissist is going to get his ass kicked in the 2020 election for these reasons.

Trump has a long history of quitting when he knows he is going to lose. However, Trump knows the presidency is protecting from being indicted. That may stop him from quitting the race. Trump is going to become extremely desperate and he will make mistakes, commit more crimes trying to stop the inevitable, He is going to lose.

Trump won the 2016 election through a series of freak events that will not repeat itself this time.

Clinton is not running this time. She had disapproval numbers ( because of years of propaganda) nearly as bad as Trump.

Many Sanders voters were pissed off at Clinton so they voted for Trump because of trade policies.

Many voters did not like Trump or Clinton, the majority of them voted for Trump. They decided to try something new. There was Clinton fatigue.

Many people who voted for Trump did not know him. Now they do. They thought Trump was a great business man who would not act so crazy once he became president.

Trump has not gained one voter since he became president, he has lost many voters. That math says he can't win.

People are locked in when it comes to their view of Trump. His base will stay with him and the rest of the American people have had enough of his bullshit. He can't change that.

The economy will probably get worse over the next year. That will hurt Trump badly.

The investigations will continue and pick up steam. This will be bad news for Trump.

The good news is Trump is going to lose the election. The bad news is, what will a desperate narcissist do in order to save himself?

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Reply A desperate narcissist is going to get his ass kicked in the 2020 election for these reasons. (Original post)
shockey80 Aug 18 OP
Mister Ed Aug 18 #1
Vogon_Glory Aug 18 #4
Mister Ed Aug 18 #10
mysteryowl Aug 18 #15
Mister Ed Aug 18 #17
mysteryowl Aug 18 #18
CanonRay Aug 18 #2
LastLiberal in PalmSprings Aug 18 #3
ChubbyStar Aug 19 #30
ProudMNDemocrat Aug 18 #5
mopinko Aug 18 #6
shockey80 Aug 18 #9
Talitha Aug 18 #20
VarryOn Aug 18 #7
FakeNoose Aug 18 #8
Caliman73 Aug 19 #31
Aristus Aug 18 #11
Grasswire2 Aug 18 #12
stopwastingmymoney Aug 18 #13
leftieNanner Aug 18 #14
amywalk Aug 18 #16
sandensea Aug 18 #19
Vinca Aug 18 #21
sakabatou Aug 18 #22
Hortensis Aug 18 #23
murielm99 Aug 19 #24
Bradical79 Aug 19 #25
Botany Aug 19 #26
John Fante Aug 19 #28
Botany Aug 19 #29
Butterflylady Aug 19 #27

Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:09 PM

1. Stone cold truth.

"Trump has not gained one voter since he became president, he has lost many voters. That math says he can't win."

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Response to Mister Ed (Reply #1)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:19 PM

4. I partially disagree

I think that Orange Julius has picked up some new supporters here and there (In a population of over 250 million, there is always a certain percentage of idiots and fools), but Iíd say that a majority of the American electorate views him with anger and loathing.

Those of us who had our hearts broken in 2016 are not nearly so complacent this time around.

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Response to Vogon_Glory (Reply #4)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:02 PM

10. Aye. Complacency is the great danger.

That and Russian interference.

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Response to Mister Ed (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:43 PM

15. ..that and republican cheating, voter suppression and maybe hiring people to hack voter machines.

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Response to mysteryowl (Reply #15)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:52 PM

17. All too true.

To save democracy, it will take a blue tsunami so broad and strong that it overwhelms everything in its path.

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Response to Mister Ed (Reply #17)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:53 PM

18. exactly! I believe that too.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:14 PM

2. I agree, but one big thing worries me.

Russia. You can't tell me they "visited" all 50 state election systems and didn't do anything.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:17 PM

3. What will he do to save himself? Whatever it takes.

First and foremost, if he loses he'll refuse to concede, claiming -- without evidence -- massive voter fraud. There's precedent for this in 2016 during a debate when he was asked, "Are you willing to accept the results of the election?" "I will if they show I win."

He's already claiming the vote is going to be rigged against him.

He has built a legal barricade of federal district judges and appellate judges, and has a lock on the SCOTUS, so any legal attempt to force him out of office will drag on and on.

He can always fall back on declaring a national emergency, which gives him virtually unlimited powers.

Say what you will about hme, Fat Donnie has an incredible survival ability. If the electorate turns against him -- and even Putin can't cause a win -- he will fight to survive, and to hell with the country and rule of law.

This is who the deplorable have saddled us with.

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Response to LastLiberal in PalmSprings (Reply #3)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 06:17 PM

30. That is so good it should be an OP

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:20 PM

5. Those voters who were hurt by Trump will not be voting for him again....

The 2017 Tax Cuts did not help the average Middle Class tax payer. MORE people paid in by over $90 BILLION for 2018.

Farmers are declaring Bankruptcy because of the Trade war with China. That destroys their Credit with Lenders, Farm Implement dealers, Seed dealers, and all who they owe money to.


Democrats need to remind Americans of that and much more.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:25 PM

6. it's what he will do as a lame duck that keeps me up nights.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:58 PM

9. I thought about that too.

Yikes!

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Response to mopinko (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 05:21 PM

20. Hopefully we'll be able to block him in the courts,

... and then use his own stall tactics until our Dem is sworn in.

It could still be quite a nightmare, though.
Unless he decides to put a bedsheet to good use.
If ya know what I mean.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:32 PM

7. And don't forget about what the deficit has done under Trump.

Itís exploded to over $22 trillion. Trumpian cuts and spending are driving us into the ground. I wish the Democratic candidates would spend time educating voters on just how bad it is. We are beyond broke!

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 12:44 PM

8. I think you're wrong about the Bernie Bros

It's true they didn't vote for Hillary due to the fact that their noses were out of joint. But they didn't vote for Chump either. Many stayed home and pouted, while some voted for a 3rd party candidate, e.g. Jill Stein. A few may have resorted to "write-in" ballots for Sanders, but not enough to make a ripple.

The net result is that Hillary lost by just enough votes to enable Chump to claim himself "winner" in the few swing states where it made a difference. It still makes me sick to think about it.

It's also important to realize that at least some of the Bernie votes in the primary race were really Repukes who had no intention of voting D in the general election. Their only plan was to cause as much trouble as possible for the Democratic primary race - knowing that Hillary would ultimately win the Party's nomination.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #8)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 06:33 PM

31. True.

He was able to win the electoral college by less than 100,000 votes out of over 120,000,000 cast, spread across 4 states, where 3rd party candidates siphoned votes from Hillary, where there was also major voter suppression in predominantly Democratic leaning counties, and where targeted misinformation was sent to depress turnout.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:10 PM

11. I'm not taking anything for granted.

I'm voting Blue in 2020, and God help anyone who tries to prevent me, because I won't.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:21 PM

12. and what will he do between the election and the inauguration?

With all the world's most powerful military at his disposal and an obsession with revenge?

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 01:48 PM

13. I still think he'll sneak away in the night from Maralago, nt

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Response to stopwastingmymoney (Reply #13)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:42 PM

14. He has a list in his desk

Of all the countries without an extradition treaty.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:48 PM

16. I don't think Trump won the election through a series of freak events.

I donít think he won at all. I believe they (GOP) saw what the numbers were and manipulated the actual vote tallies in those 3 midwestern states plus Florida to give him just enough to win, but not enough to trigger an automatic recount. The Russians helped with all the propaganda and they most likely were in on changing vote tallies in a few states like Georgia, as well. Iím afraid they will do it again. They did it during the midterms with Georgia and Florida. Our only hope is massive numbers at the voting booth.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 02:59 PM

19. Excellent points all

My only fears are that (a) Cheeto - most likely with Bibi's help - will stage some "incident." Of all the few world leaders that support Cheeto (even including Putin), Bibi has the most to lose from Democrats retaking the White House.

The Likudniks finally have a real stoolie in the White House that will openly endorse any abuse or rogue state behavior of theirs - and they want to keep it that way.

and (b) if it's close in enough states, they might electronically flip enough votes in three or four for a repeat of 2016: a loss in the popular vote; but a win (even a Bush-style squeaker) in the Electoral College.

It's pretty much an open secret by now that this happened in MI and WI - possibly in PA and OH as well. And that's besides other tactics like voter roll alterations in Dem.-leaning areas, etc.

As a recent article pointed out, the fat bastard could lose by up to 5 million popular votes - but still eke out re-election in the E.C.

But, knock wood, none of their shenanigans will be enough to put them over the top this time.

Your arguments make an excellent case that they, in fact, won't be.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 05:26 PM

21. I've been trying to imagine the next inauguration ceremony. Does anyone think Don the Con

would show up to witness the transfer of power? More likely he'll have the private jet gassed up and ready to leave the country to avoid prosecution.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 05:26 PM

22. That doesn't mean we should be complacent

WE HAVE TO VOTE.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Sun Aug 18, 2019, 05:29 PM

23. Imo, better worry about what McConnell might be able to do to protect

and consolidate his power, and that of those he fronts for.

Trump's a coward and a dysfunctional fool (so much so that his staff routinely keep critical information from him). McConnell and his enormously powerful allies are anything but.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #23)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 11:47 AM

24. We need to keep chipping away at McConnell.

He is thin-skinned. He does not like all the exposure he and his wife are getting. We can find his crimes and do something about them.

This time, the turtle does not have to win the race!

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 04:34 PM

25. It's highly unlikely that he can win a legitimate election

I'm most worried about an illegitimate fraudulent victory (vote flipping, people being removed from the voter roles, votes being tossed, and various forms of voter supression). The lack of pushback against what they've already done is very concerning.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 04:38 PM

26. "The math says he can't win."

The math said the same thing in 2016.

Our elections are way dirty.

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Response to Botany (Reply #26)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 05:04 PM

28. The rest of that post explains clearly

why 2020 will be much different than 2016.

Something not mentioned: the email investigation followed Comey's 11th hour letter that swung undecideds decisively in Trump's favor. The next Democratic nominee won't have that hanging over their campaign.

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Response to John Fante (Reply #28)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 06:10 PM

29. All the exit polls had HRC winning easily in 2016

To win in a squeaker the dems have to win in landslide.

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Response to shockey80 (Original post)

Mon Aug 19, 2019, 04:39 PM

27. In otherwards

It was a perfect storm.

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