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Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:48 AM

So apparently I'm immature about politics (Odd argument between myself and a libertarian friend)

Quoting my friend who said that Russia is a democracy.

Okay how do I put this. She started to watch the Handmaid's Tale and I told her basically its the far right version of America. Of course she said it has nothing to do with religion. Oh boy here we go...I said it actually did. I have seen the whole series so far. She responded with I don't know what I'm talking about. *sigh* cue to me facepalming so hard. So it continues on with her explaining its martial law and how I don't know what that means. I respond with I know what the hell it means and then she proceeded to give examples to me of dictatorship and oppression. She said NK which I agreed with. I dropped Russia in there as well. This is where shit got heated. She said no it's a democracy. The former USSR was a communist country. I said yeah I'm not so sure about that nowadays. Killing opposition, rigging elections in other countries, ballot stuffing, arresting protesters. Sure it's a democracy lol. Well this was a huge mistake. It got her so heated because I make everything as a joke when it comes to politics and I don't know anything. Despite I read and watch the news every day. But I'm not allowed to joke about it at all and I was opposed to her beliefs and narrow minded. Never once did I say I was opposed to her beliefs about anything and I technically did back up my claims with news articles about what Russia has done after she said don't come into a situation without facts.

Enter my face.

I was so damn confused where this came from and I just left it at that. All I got later was. Sorry I snapped, I had a bad day. Well no shit

So yeah. Good morning guys. Hope you're having a swell morning

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Reply So apparently I'm immature about politics (Odd argument between myself and a libertarian friend) (Original post)
vercetti2021 Aug 15 OP
Sherman A1 Aug 15 #1
vercetti2021 Aug 15 #2
mercuryblues Aug 15 #3
vercetti2021 Aug 15 #4
mercuryblues Aug 15 #5
vercetti2021 Aug 15 #6
treestar Aug 15 #7
UniteFightBack Aug 15 #8
FM123 Aug 15 #9
vercetti2021 Aug 15 #17
NightWatcher Aug 15 #10
TheBlackAdder Aug 15 #14
ismnotwasm Aug 15 #11
GoneOffShore Aug 15 #13
vercetti2021 Aug 15 #16
Javaman Aug 15 #12
vercetti2021 Aug 15 #15
Javaman Aug 15 #18
vercetti2021 Aug 15 #22
Yavin4 Aug 15 #19
Bradical79 Aug 15 #20
Aristus Aug 15 #21

Response to vercetti2021 (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:52 AM

1. Two options

1). Find other topics to discuss

2). Find a new friend.

I don't see there being much middle ground.

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Response to Sherman A1 (Reply #1)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:57 AM

2. Option C is good

Drink a ton of whiskey and forget it happened. I've had a rough week from putting my dog to sleep to work. This certainly didn't help me. Just made me question reality even more. And it started over a TV show...of all things.

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Response to vercetti2021 (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 08:01 AM

3. This is where it went off the rails

This is where shit got heated. She said no it's a democracy. The former USSR was a communist country. I said yeah I'm not so sure about that nowadays. Killing opposition, rigging elections in other countries, ballot stuffing, arresting protesters. Sure it's a democracy lol.


Modern day Russia is a dictatorship, under the guise of a democracy because they hold sham elections. It is not Communist.

I suggest giving her the Handmaid's tale book to read. It is absolutely about religion. Or more about how men use religion to promote their self interest and power.

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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #3)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 08:07 AM

4. Truth

But what do I know after all? I'm immature about politics. She's one of those people that hate when shes wrong on subjects she thinks she knows everything about. Mind you she has never voted once in her life.

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Response to vercetti2021 (Reply #4)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 08:29 AM

5. What ever you do, do not encourage her to vote

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Response to mercuryblues (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 08:49 AM

6. No plans to

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Response to vercetti2021 (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 08:57 AM

7. I wonder why she is so attached to Russia being a democracy

Libertarians might like Russia's unregulated capitalism, but Russia would be just another example of what happens with that, and it's not good.

"The Shock Doctrine" makes and supports a good argument that all the experiments meant to prove that capitalism works best without regulation fail. Russia was one of them.

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Response to vercetti2021 (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 08:59 AM

8. The joke was her saying Russia is a Democracy. This is the usual response when facts betray them.nt

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Response to vercetti2021 (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 09:11 AM

9. "Mind you she has never voted once in her life."

I would not take her literally or seriously. And don't be so hard on yourself vercetti2021, we are all just human and sometimes we are left with our mouths open when someone we know, that should know better, blindsides us with their nonsense. She apologized for snapping, and that's a good sign she still wants to be friends with you.

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Response to FM123 (Reply #9)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 09:57 AM

17. Not hard on myself at all

I'm more just fucking mindblow if anything. She said she hates talking politics with me because I'm immature about it. Yet I keep up with the news a whole lot more than her. I think its hilarious and sad at the same time. Figured it was worth a share of how my day started

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Response to vercetti2021 (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 09:15 AM

10. A libertarian calls someone else politically immature? Stop right there.

No need to continue.

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Response to NightWatcher (Reply #10)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 09:51 AM

14. Libertarians are self-affecting people. Every one I've known is plugged into the public largesse.

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These assholes love to talk about keeping government out of things, but are really just selfish people who just look after themselves. They take advantage of every possible government offering that they can.

They view a program that they can tap into as deserved. If they can't tap into it, they view it as a tax that they are somehow paying to support others. It's a twisted minds-view of life, and psychological splitting that borders on clinical.

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Response to vercetti2021 (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 09:19 AM

11. Libertarians tend to be condescending shits

They believe they are superior to any other choice, and are generally annoying. They are more conspiracy minded than most, well maybe not any more as CTs are the thing these days. And while, in my experience some are very smart, all of them are politically immature

I have one friend though, who is so vehemently anti-war, we actually get along as long as he isnít bashing Democratics

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #11)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 09:49 AM

13. I have started quoting Hobbes to 'lie-bertarians'(sic)


'Leviathan' said it best: 'Whatsoever therefore is consequent to a time of Warre, where every man is Enemy to every man; the same is consequent to the time, wherein men live without other security, than what their own strength, and their own invention shall furnish them withall. In such condition, there is no place for Industry; because the fruit thereof is uncertain; and consequently no Culture of the Earth; no Navigation, nor use of the commodities that may be imported by Sea; no commodious Building; no Instruments of moving, and removing such things as require much force; no Knowledge of the face of the Earth; no account of Time; no Arts; no Letters; no Society; and which is worst of all, continuall feare, and danger of violent death; And the life of man, solitary, poore, nasty, brutish, and short.'


Every 'libertarian' I've ever encountered is really just someone who read 'The Fountainhead' at 15 and got stuck in that fantasy world.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #11)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 09:54 AM

16. Yeah you definitely hit the keyword

Condescending as shit. I can't tell you the amount of condescending shit she spews and how angry she'll get when someone tells her something painfully truthful. Sometimes I wonder why I'm friends with her. Oh because she has a child and she is awesome. I'm afraid for her a lot though

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Response to vercetti2021 (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 09:37 AM

12. does she smoke pot? if not, she's not a true libertarian, she's just a repuke

who hates to be wrong in the face of facts to the contrary.

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Response to Javaman (Reply #12)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 09:52 AM

15. She does

And constantly tells me I shouldn't smoke it because she believes I don't have the mental capability to handle the side effects. I didn't know depression was considered when it came to marijuana

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Response to vercetti2021 (Reply #15)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:09 AM

18. wow, she hits the one point I find truly irritating about libertarians: she's condescending.

I think it's time to move on. having negative people like that in your life is not good for your health. Cheers!

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Response to Javaman (Reply #18)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:38 PM

22. Exactly

The stories I have to tell about arguments between the two of us...long list. 90% started by her for nothing

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Response to vercetti2021 (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:12 AM

19. Russia is indeed a democracy. They have clear choices.

Putin or death.

See, crystal clear choice.

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Response to vercetti2021 (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:12 AM

20. There's a lot to unpack with Libertarianism

A lot of faux intellectualism. It's like every one of them are using it to cover up some insecurity, educational defeciency, or character flaw.

And not that you're friend is one, but it's also a way I've seen people cover up their white supremecist sentiment. Ron and Rand Paul are good examples of this.

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Response to vercetti2021 (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:16 AM

21. Libertarians are stupid, greedy assholes.

They bleat that taxation is 'theft', but they're perfectly happy driving on the roads that the rest of us are paying for, and breathing and drinking the air and water the rest of us are paying to keep breathable and drinkable.

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