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Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:19 PM

"Trump didn't actually win the election in 2016" -Jimmy Carter

This was posted on CNN on June 28

Jimmy Carter suggests Trump is an illegitimate president




Washington (CNN)Former President Jimmy Carter suggested Friday that a full investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election would show that Donald Trump didn't win the presidency.
"There's no doubt that the Russians did interfere in the election. And I think the interference, although not yet quantified, if fully investigated would show that Trump didn't actually win the election in 2016. He lost the election and he was put into office because the Russians interfered on his behalf," Carter said at the Carter Center's retreat in Leesburg, Virginia.
Asked if he believes Trump is an illegitimate president,
Carter paused for a moment.
"Based on what I just said, which I can't retract," Carter said to audience laughter.

Special counsel Robert Mueller's report found that Russia waged a "sweeping and systematic" influence campaign during the 2016 election with the goal of electing Trump, but did not establish a conspiracy between Trump's campaign and Moscow.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/06/28/politics/jimmy-carter-trump-russia-interference/index.html

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Reply "Trump didn't actually win the election in 2016" -Jimmy Carter (Original post)
lunamagica Wednesday OP
spanone Wednesday #1
Blecht Wednesday #2
triron Wednesday #21
CaliforniaPeggy Wednesday #3
malaise Wednesday #4
Iwasthere Wednesday #5
lark Thursday #40
bdamomma Thursday #42
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Ferrets are Cool Wednesday #14
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bdamomma Thursday #44
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sharedvalues Wednesday #33
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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:22 PM

1. K&R...

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:22 PM

2. Odd how this just disappeared

Thanks for bringing it up again. Jimmy Carter is an American treasure.

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Response to Blecht (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 08:39 PM

21. Media likes to pretend otherwise. So does most of John Q Public.

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:26 PM

3. A big fat K&R!

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:30 PM

4. And it never got the coverage it deserved

Rec

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:45 PM

5. I've been saying that almost daily, only to be ridiculed, sometimes in here

I am so tired of hearing, "but he IS your president". BS! He is not, he IS illegitimate, period!

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Response to Iwasthere (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:45 AM

40. My family is progressive and my sister definitely leans Dem, but they castigate me for this.

They think I'm a crazy conspiracy theorist and push against me every time I say anything about Russia stealing our elections. They say, Oh, Hillary - or too many people stayed home- or even mention voter suppression but they absolutely refuse to believe that the election was stolen for it's favored tool by a hostile foreign nation. They say there's no proof. I say the victors' write history and there has been no real investigation ever of voting discrepancies or voter database intrusions and changes. If they got into the database, why would they do that and do nothing there? Doesn't make sense to me.

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Response to Iwasthere (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:51 AM

42. He's not mine either

he's nothing but a sick con criminal.

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Response to Iwasthere (Reply #5)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 01:59 PM

47. Not mine either

I will never accept that orange blob of shit.

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:47 PM

6. Wins the award for "stupid press question" of the day.

Asked if he believes Trump is an illegitimate president, Carter paused for a moment.
"Based on what I just said, which I can't retract," Carter said to audience laughter.

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 06:02 PM

7. I agree with President Jimmy Carter

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 06:18 PM

8. Why yes, of course he is not a legit pres.

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 06:20 PM

9. I agree.

Don't we all?

K&R

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 06:54 PM

10. He's absolutely right and has the courage to say it.

I say it daily but who would listen to me?

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 07:02 PM

11. I'm listening, grammy . . . I'm listening

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Response to NBachers (Reply #11)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 01:00 AM

38. Thanks NBachers!

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #10)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:53 AM

43. We are not ignorant here

we are very up on the facts, thanks Grammy. Agree with you all the way.

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 07:06 PM

12. Trump is a punk compared to President Jimmy Carter.



Well, he's a punk compared to almost anyone actually.

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 07:22 PM

13. Go ahead and attack Jimmy Carter, shitstain!

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #13)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 07:41 PM

16. Wait for it...

I'm sure it's coming.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #16)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 10:03 PM

35. You bet

The Orange Dotard cannot stand any criticism.

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 07:22 PM

14. Well duh...neither did bush jr in 2000 and 2004

Last edited Wed Aug 14, 2019, 08:44 PM - Edit history (1)

Glad a past REAL PRESIDENT has said it though.

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Response to Ferrets are Cool (Reply #14)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 08:41 PM

22. You mean 2000 and 2004.

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Response to triron (Reply #22)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 08:44 PM

24. Thanks for the correction. I did that in a hurry.

No excuse though.

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 07:37 PM

15. 45 is only pResident because he cheated

nt

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 07:54 PM

17. Calling an election "rigged" and then accepting the results...

when you're declared the winner, makes you illegitimate from the get-go.

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Response to czarjak (Reply #17)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 10:20 PM

36. and reinforcing it

by announcing it!

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 08:12 PM

18. Recommended.

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 08:15 PM

19. Trump stole 2016 election w/ GOP voter suppression and help from the Russians

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 08:18 PM

20. He knows they switched votes in the Great Lakes states

He can't say it in so many words (not yet, anyway) - but he knows.

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Response to sandensea (Reply #20)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 08:42 PM

23. I'm sure he's not the only one by a long shot.

American public has to be kept in the dark.

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Response to triron (Reply #23)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:06 PM

27. Sad but true.

Putin and Bibi can't believe their lucky stars.



"Can you believe it, Vlad? We switch their votes, and they'd rather pretend it never happened than do anything!"

"What a country!"

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Response to sandensea (Reply #27)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:55 AM

44. I hope those protesters

in Russia throw out Putin's ass.

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Response to sandensea (Reply #20)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:19 PM

30. Ex-Presidents do have access to intelligence briefings, if they want them nt

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Response to coti (Reply #30)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:24 PM

32. Bingo

Carter could tell us a thing or two about all this, I'm sure.

But like the October Surprise inflicted against him (and the hostages), he knows what happened - but also knows he can't say anything.

Not good for "national security" (read: security for GOPee bigwigs).

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Response to coti (Reply #30)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 10:00 PM

34. Thanks. That is good to have confirmation on.

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Response to sandensea (Reply #20)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:59 PM

33. Merely GOP voter suppression is enough

Republicans cheated by voter suppression in those states.

We KNOW that. There is PROOF.
Let’s just stick to that for now.

If other things come out that show Republicans stole the election a different way, we can talk about that then.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #33)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:42 AM

41. Why? The RepubliCONS are known to be accepting money from once sanctioned Russians

RepubliCONS have accepted economic support from Russian factories controlled by Putin throughout our country. They have accepted advertisement support from Putin as in Facebook and Twitter. They have accepted Russian provided dirt and stolen information on their opponents. All Russian sanctions are being ignored so Russia can come right back and do it all again. Trump and Moscow Mitch have actively blocked all voter security measures.

RepubliCONS Do NOT deserve the benefit of a doubt. They show no indications they did NOT collude with Russia to rig vote counts. We are just assuming they didn't rig vote counts, like we are assuming RepubliCONS are patriotic and want to support democracy. Until Wikileaks released Hillary's campaign info, there was no indication Russian spies had hacked her campaign computers either. There was no indication Wikileaks was in collusion with Putin.

The US is being attacked by a foreign power and people are shrugging their shoulders saying we can't definitely prove Russia dropped those bombs falling all around us.

You can't prove anything with absolute certainty. In a battle you can always wait for more info to act, and waiting gives your enemy the advantage. So, you have to decide when do you have enough info to act in the battle. And it is never absolutely clear info. This is a war not a calmly legislated legal trial. Waiting gives your enemy the advantage.

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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #41)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 10:50 PM

54. Right but we KNOW they stole the election with voter suppression

That is enough to act as you say.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #54)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 09:23 AM

55. Oh yeah, I see what you are saying.

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Response to sharedvalues (Reply #54)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:54 AM

56. We know it's quite likely vote tallies and/or voter registrations were altered.

Pre-election polling and exit polling both point to this as well.
I will bet Carter knows about this.

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 08:48 PM

25. We need to modify the Electoral College

Perhaps add an additional 50-100 EC votes that would go to the person that wins the popular vote nationwide.

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Response to Dem2 (Reply #25)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:04 PM

26. Just get rid of it. It's a vestige of slavery and the 3/5s Compromise.

When the founders of the U.S. Constitution in 1787 considered whether America should let the people elect their president through a popular vote, James Madison said that “Negroes” in the South presented a “difficulty … of a serious nature.”

During that same speech on Thursday, July 19, Madison instead proposed a prototype for the same Electoral College system the country uses today.


https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/electoral-college-slavery-constitution

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Response to brush (Reply #26)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:17 PM

29. I agree

But that's a heavy lift. I was thinking of an easier path to fix the current situation in perhaps a more expeditious way.

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:12 PM

28. Carter has extensive experience in election monitoring,

and this means something coming from him.

I don't know if he feels he knows something more now, though, but for a man long retired he hasn't exactly been assertive and out front on what he thinks happened 3 years ago. Was his first concern continuation of the peaceful transition of power we must have?

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:22 PM

31. Sing it, Jimmy!

SING IT!

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 10:30 PM

37. How can you not like Jimmy? Nt

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #37)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 07:23 AM

39. You know, a thought just occurred to me.

Whar if Joe Biden chose Obama as his VP? Think they would win after this 3 year catastrophe?

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #39)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 01:51 PM

46. Only R's can do something like that and get away

With it.

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #46)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 03:10 PM

48. Why?

They do not live in the same state?

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #48)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 03:30 PM

49. I'm gonna say

To chalk it up to white privilege with a big dash of wealthy class bias in our current politics.

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 12:40 PM

45. This is really a very important statement

That a former president would say this is startling.

It is absolutely true, but Carter has stayed away from direct statements like this prior to now. Looks like Trump’s repulsive behavior pushed him over the edge.

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Response to Moral Compass (Reply #45)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 04:10 PM

50. True, but...

...I don't like anything that puts those that did vote for the orange blob off the hook. And there were still way too many who did.

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 04:12 PM

51. Yep, he did NOT win those 4 states, either votes were flipped, not counted, whatever

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #51)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:24 PM

52. Probably all of the above.

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Response to lunamagica (Original post)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:48 PM

53. This was on the news when he said it. Problem is, after 2.5 years, not much can be done.

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