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Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:01 AM

Hitler was not a racist.

This is typical hysterics of the left. Hitler is gonna be Hitler, okay? That's just his style of speaking to blue-collar Germans! He's saying these things because he's really emotional about Making Germany Great Again!

You know, all these comments, how Hitler is feeding on the racism of colonial times to mobilize racists as voters, that is really uncalled for.

Let's take a step back and talk about what's really going on here: Hitler has called out the Lügenpresse and the Social-Democrats, and they are retaliating by trying to get this perpetual-outrage machine going, where they are gonna spin anything he says into a racist statement.


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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:11 AM

1. Bookmarking

Great post

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:20 AM

2. K&R x infinity!

Kick, kick, kick and rec!!

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:36 AM

3. Wow, it's a relief to read that

I get a twist in my stomach when I read some of the articles and headlines in the mainstream media. So it’s satisfying to know how “unreliable and ill informed” some of their sources were back then.

When I’m feeling this twist most strongly, I remind myself that after it became undeniable that Hitler was a monster, many people who criticized him early on were being labeled as “premature anti fascists.” The reasoning was that they didn’t have any special insight into Hitler, they were just a little too sympathetic to communists.

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Response to srobertss (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:56 AM

5. The whole concept of fascists and communists was brand-new back then.

Mussolini invented fascism in 1919.

Karl Marx was a theoretical economist. There was no real-life example of Communism until Lenin launched the russian revolution in 1918. And before it became apparent how tricky and unrealistic communist policies are (e.g. the great russian famine of 1922), anti-monarchic protesters in e.g. Germany and Austria were already calling for communist regime-change as well.

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #5)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 10:15 AM

14. My theory is that for Communism to work other non-economic factors have to be realized

1. A high level of cognitive, critical thinking among the populace.
2. Strong, uncorrupted democratic institutions
3. Strong participation in democracy by the populace.
4. Strong social justice
5. A highly ethical population
6. A high level of empathy

Once a population achieves these measures, then Communism has a chance of working.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #14)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 10:32 AM

16. Absolutely. Humans are too selfish for Communism to work.

Communism is an utopian form of society. That why it has continuously failed.

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Response to Yavin4 (Reply #14)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 10:35 AM

17. "True Communism" has as much of a chance as working..

As "Pure Libertarianism".

In other words, zero.

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Response to MicaelS (Reply #17)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 11:51 AM

18. I wouldn't say that.

Humans have progressed mightily over the past few hundred years. Wasn't that long ago when people in this country thought that slavery was okay.

Humans can achieve what's on my list, and Communism could work. It's not going to happen in my generation nor any other current generation.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:55 AM

4. "Many Germans who registered their economic and social grievances by voting Fascist ...

... a fortnight ago will think twice before actually inviting civil war and the return of French troops on German soil".

https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=TeRoDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA32

I found the NYT's collected articles on the rise of Hitler in Google Books. It starts with the article above, and by 1930 has moved on to the above, horribly familiar "economic and social grievances" excuse for voting for Hitler. We continue:

"Wherever in Western Europe fascism has asserted itself successfully it has come as the retort to an experiment in communism, or from fear of a foreign enemy. It is still the doctrine in Italy that Mussolini's march on Rome saved the country from Red domination and from the dark designs of certain foreign powers. In Bavaria and Hungary an actual taste of communism preceded and prepared the way for the rule of the strong hand. These seemingly necessary conditions for flinging one's self into the arms of dictatorship Germany today obviously does not fulfill. She is in no danger from her domestic proletarians. "

The NYT's writer seems to accept Mussolini's claim (without evidence, I think) that he "saved the country from communism and foreign powers", and yet thinks that the same claims couldn't then be made in Germany, again without evidence. They're saying "it couldn't happen here". In Germany in 1930.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:07 AM

6. history repeats itself, and I don't mean Hitler...

the NY Times is still doing it.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:11 AM

7. A great post

Should have 500 recs

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:19 AM

8. Funny how it always comes back to comparisions to the Jews.

Fascinating.

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Response to DetlefK (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 06:34 AM

9. Hitler was most assuredly a racist.

He protected the German officer who recommended him for an Iron Cross in the First World War; a Jew. This may have been from guilt or simply it was in his personal advantage to do so. It is in Trump’s advantage to protect his undocumented Hispanic employees from ICE. Trump may even be friendly to these employees. There is a rumor Hitler protected an entire Jewish family. None of this proves anything other than both men are monsters and liars. They seem to share the quality of being stone cold killers when it suits them. Hitler did industrial genocide. Trump seems more inclined to allow murder and genocide in “shit hole countries”. Both are murderous vipers of the first order turn your back to your own peril.

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Response to gordianot (Reply #9)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 08:23 AM

10. Hitler most likely became racist after WWI:

The end of WWI was an era of turmoil: Monarchies were collapsing. This alien new philosophy, Communism, was spreading like wildfire and fomenting civil unrest. A financial crisis in Germany like it had never been seen before.

So, Hitler needed someone to blame.

Who was to blame for the defeat in war? Why, it was those traitorous democrats who negotiated for peace when Germany was at the brink of victory! Those Socialists and Communists who are now trying to topple monarchy in Germany and Austria! Doing away with the simple, little world Hitler grew up in!

Who was to blame for Germany's financial crisis? Who controls the money? The Jews! If a financial crisis is wrecking Germany, it must be the fault of the Jews!



Add in the widespread misunderstanding that Darwin's theory of evolution was about how some species are superior to others.

Add in Hitler's disgust for the ground-shaking decadence of the Roaring 20s, with their parties with nude exotic dancers, with opium and drug-abuse, with this foreign Jazz-music. Theater that did away with all the rules! Comedians that suddenly produced biting satire!



Hitler was a small man with mediocre intelligence and little imagination. But he was good with words. And when the powers-that-be installed him as their puppet, he finally had the power to act on his misinformed and ill-conceived grievances.

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 08:45 AM

11. I read Mein Kampf for a College class.

This book is a collection of hate rhetoric from German tabloids of the time and really was not original with Hitler, Hitler also got into occult religious groups and at one time was hired to spy on the Early Nazi Party. Trumpism is more dangerous it borrows ideology from a well established Narcissistic racist who is more original in his hate. When Trump goes to prison he will become a martyr like Hitler claimed to be in his writing and speeches. Reading Mein Kampf (my copy was published by a Jewish group) could almost turn you against reading. Trump is definitely an original contributor of modern American hate.

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Response to gordianot (Reply #11)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 08:59 AM

12. It will be really hard for Republicans to move on after Trump.

Just imagine: Trump leaves office. Do you think that will make him shut up?

He will continue to tweet and to attack and to put himself forth as the real victim here, trying to hog all the attention.
How he did better than the current President.
How he had the best and did the best and don't you dare to doubt his claims.

Will Trump try to insert himself into US-politics by talking to Republicans as well as foreign diplomats? You betcha.

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:52 AM

13. There seems to be a larger movement here almost international.

Russia and similar goals to what used to be called International Communism are in play.

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Response to gordianot (Reply #13)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 10:17 AM

15. +1, I wish it was just Trump

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Response to gordianot (Reply #13)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 12:29 PM

19. This is not about Communism. Putin wants to return to the days of russian imperialism.

The USSR very, very quickly ceased to be the international entity Lenin had envisioned and became de facto a russian empire with vassal-states, as Stalin had envisioned.

The USSR collapsed. And now Putin is trying to rebuild a russian empire.
- He's trying to build an economic zone similar to the Eurozone, with former USSR-states as members. With one unified currency for all these countries... that would of course be controlled by Moscow.
- He's trying to surround Russia with vassal-states. He's supporting georgian rebels, he's annexed Crimea, he's supporting ukrainian rebels.

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Response to DetlefK (Reply #19)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 12:48 PM

20. The underlying tactics are the same.

Russian Communism absorbed the Czarist ambitions and the Russian Federation is to me at least a rebranding. I also tend to lump authoritarian regimes together no matter their published economic system. It is human nature to establish a hierarchy built into our DNA fortunately human cognition allows us to question everything including ourselves.

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