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Tue Aug 13, 2019, 11:54 PM

Jeffrey Epstein died -- after both guards 'fell asleep': report

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Both guards assigned to protect accused sex trafficker Jeffrey Epstein fell asleep while they were supposed to be protecting him from himself, The New York Times reported Tuesday.

“The two guards who were in the jail unit where Jeffrey Epstein apparently killed himself fell asleep and failed to check on him for about three hours, then falsified records to cover up their mistake, a law enforcement official and a prison official said on Tuesday,” the newspaper reported.

“Those disclosures came as the two guards were placed on administrative leave and the warden of the jail, the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan, was temporarily reassigned, pending the outcome of the investigation into Mr. Epstein’s death, the Justice Department announced,” The Times noted.

The report also says the correctional officers falsified records logging their required 30 minute checks on Epstein.

“Such false entries in an official log could constitute a federal crime,” the paper reported. “In fact, the guards had been asleep for some or all of the three hours, the officials said.”

Only one of the two guards was even a correctional officer.

https://www.rawstory.com/2019/08/jeffrey-epstein-died-after-both-guards-fell-asleep-report/


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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 11:55 PM

1. Did they fall asleep?

Or did someone slip them something to make them drowsy?

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Response to HipChick (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 12:08 AM

6. It is probably that they weren't prepared to do that shift.

Someone slipping them something to put them to sleep is a kind of Anything is possible, but that seems unlikely.

More likely a whole lot of incompetence and people not doing their jobs.

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Response to madaboutharry (Reply #6)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 12:11 AM

7. I have heard the place is way understaffed

People forced to pull double shifts, then have a long drive home, so they sleep in their car then pull another double. Also reported they pull janitors and other support personnel into guard duty.

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Response to rufus dog (Reply #7)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 10:17 AM

33. I heard they are understaffed because

Of Trumps hiring freeze on federal employees. A bunch of departments have same problem. People quit and can't replace them.

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Response to madaboutharry (Reply #6)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 12:19 AM

10. Endless overtime shifts in an understaffed facility can be exhausting. Of course, the prison

management should have made sure that THIS prisoner was properly guarded by guards not too exhausted to do their job properly --if this is what actually happened and these guys aren't just being scapegoated.

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Response to HipChick (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 12:20 AM

11. Or they were paid to say they fell asleep...be the fall guys. Everything about this death smells.

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Response to brush (Reply #11)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 12:26 AM

13. Likely scenario.

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Response to brush (Reply #11)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 07:48 AM

29. That was my first thought.

Where were they when they were sleeping? Are there cameras nearby? Are they on camera sleeping?

There are freakin' cameras damned near everywhere in our lives these days, but none in these prison settings?

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Response to llmart (Reply #29)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 11:49 AM

38. You Can Bank

on the fact that they know where to sleep that isn't on camera. It's pretty standard for night shift people in situations like this.

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Response to RobinA (Reply #38)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 12:20 PM

42. Yes, but wherever they are supposed to be at the time would be in view of a camera, right?

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Response to brush (Reply #11)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 11:41 AM

36. Cash payments that can't be traced to their bank accounts.

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Response to HipChick (Reply #1)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 08:54 AM

31. That was my first thought as well.

A little Valium in the coffee pot would be my guess.

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Response to alittlelark (Reply #31)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:24 PM

44. Or perhaps they were threatened, blackmailed...what's for sure is there were a whole lot

of very powerful people who did not want him testifying.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 11:58 PM

2. How many other suicides has this Center had this year? n/t

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Response to MarcA (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 01:28 AM

24. That's a good question.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 12:00 AM

3. The Warden should be fired.

He is responsible for the culture there, which obviously was one lacking in discipline and ethics.

Falsifying Federal records is a crime. Idiots.

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Response to madaboutharry (Reply #3)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 12:23 AM

12. She ... Name sounds like PoC ... just sayin' (nt)

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #12)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 12:56 AM

14. Oddly, a fairly common name


Lamine N'Diaye appears to be a West African name, and Google results suggest Senegal or Cote d'Ivoire.

Not even the second most famous Lamine N'Diaye either...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamine_N%27Diaye

Lamine N'Diaye (born 18 October 1956) is a Senegalese football coach and former player who is the manager of Sudanese club Al-Hilal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamine_Ndiaye_(French_footballer)

Lamine Ndiaye (born 19 June 1995) is a French footballer who currently plays for CFA club GSI Pontivy as a defender.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #14)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 01:07 AM

18. Another DU'er said the Warden was female, I believed them ...

Sounds like it's a male name ... but I suppose that doesn't mean too much these days.

Both your links seem to resolve to same person due to how DU interprets links ... here's the French Footballer one if anyone cares lol ...

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #18)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 01:13 AM

20. People named Lamine appear to be overwhelmingly male


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamine

...with a marked propensity to play soccer.

However, that could simply be a function of French "football colonialism" by which France provides special immigration privileges to soccer players in former French possessions in Africa, thus spurring the development of African players while depriving their national teams of their best native players.

https://www.sowetanlive.co.za/s-mag/2018-07-12-the-french-team-is-stark-reminder-of-colonialism/

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 12:02 AM

4. What the....

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 12:05 AM

5. Sure they did.

And got paid handsomely too, one might guess.

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #5)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 12:19 AM

9. You're closest to the truth here.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 12:15 AM

8. You'd think El Chapo could have just walked out of this place with his experience

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 12:58 AM

15. UNPOSSIBLE!


People on shift work with routine boring jobs where usually nothing happens NEVAH fall asleep or falsify reports.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #15)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 01:09 AM

19. Your preferred explanation is not nearly as 'Occam's Razor' as you seem to think, JBH

Normally I'd tend to agree ... but not this time. It's all a bit too handy. Now they're getting everyone who might know anything out the building. Not to mention, they're all being 'disciplined', which undermines any later credibility ... 'oh, look, bitter employees, making shit up!'

I'll leave it at that.

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Response to mr_lebowski (Reply #19)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 01:15 AM

21. So...


The plan relied on two numpties admitting to have committed a crime (falsifying the records)?

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #21)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 01:35 AM

25. Someone in authority shows up and says 'don't worry, we got you covered, just write this down' ...

Sure. Easily. Numpties by definition aren't that bright.

After: Now you've been disciplined for what you've done, nobody will believe what you say ... BTW, you do still want your pension, right?

Next question?

Edit ... also, how is this falsification 'required' for 'the plan'? Esp. given if there WAS 'a plan', we don't actually know what it was?

Edit 2 ... just because DoJ is saying these numpties falsified documents, that must therefore ... be true?

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 12:58 AM

16. The highest profile prisoner in the entire American penal system- the one who was the most important

to keep alive, and had already tried to commit suicide . . .

The Federal Bureau of Prisons is part of the Department of Justice, headed by Attorney General William Barr. The buck stops with Barr. There should be a cacophony of demands for Barr to resign.

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Response to NBachers (Reply #16)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 06:56 AM

27. OR, it's a heist. A mild sedative in the coffee pot, spirited away...

Need a body that can pass for Epstein to get carried to the coroner?

By the way, when some prisoners get charged a daily fee for their incarceration or their ankle monitors, how come Epstein couldn’t have been forced to pay for adequate guards? Or El Chapo, for that matter?

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 01:00 AM

17. Check their bank accounts

Someone was paid off for this, follow the money...

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Response to RainCaster (Reply #17)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 11:45 AM

37. Too obvious. Most likely they received sacks of money.

Big sacks. Most likely stored in remote lockers not on their properties either.

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Response to RainCaster (Reply #17)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 11:53 AM

40. They have a nice retirement fund somewhere... TRUST

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 01:16 AM

22. Sounds very unlikely. Two guards, both asleep at the same time? n/t

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Response to Raven (Reply #22)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 11:56 AM

41. Not Only Likely

but predictable if you work in a situation like this.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:25 AM

26. My neighbor's son in law is a guard in a federal prison

so I actually find this believable based on the stories Ive heard about the amount of overtime he’s forced to work. He had to negotiate to be allowed to take his vacation by working even more overtime. Between these facilities being used to detain migrants and a federal hiring freeze, the staff is really being pushed to the wall. But the thing I don’t believe is why Epstein was taken off suicide watch. I understand his lawyers asked for this, but why did the jail agree? And why did they remove his cell mate? That’s very weird.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 07:43 AM

28. Anyone would fall asleep if continually forced to work 80 hour weeks.

Trump's hiring freeze is causing all kinds of damage in the government. You just won't read about most of it on the front page.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #28)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 07:55 AM

30. Yep. The "Drown the Government in a bath tub" crowd should be thrilled.

This came as a result of their handiwork. I don't think this country will ever recover from the mess those assholes have made of it.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 10:07 AM

32. Show me the surveillance footage of them sleeping...

Oh yeah, that's right - - the cameras fell asleep at the same time.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 11:16 AM

34. Metropolitan Correctional Center is an abysmal, third-world-rate prison in general.

https://gothamist.com/2018/06/19/mcc_jail_human_rights_torture.php
https://gothamist.com/2019/08/13/epstein_mcc_conditions.php

This past February, a British appeals court blocked the extradition of alleged hacker Lauri Love to the United States, where he would have most likely been held at either MCC or the federal jail in Brooklyn, the Metropolitan Detention Center.

The court determined that Love, who has been diagnosed with Asperger Syndrome and depression, would be at high risk of suicide if he were extradited, in part because of the poor mental health care available at the facilities. MDC and MCC share a single psychiatrist and each have only a handful of psychologists on staff, according to court documents, raising questions about whether the two facilities could adequately treat the nearly 500 inmates suffering from significant psychiatric illnesses.


In the past fifteen years, at least one correctional officer at MCC has been convicted of beating an inmate, and at least three guards have been found guilty of sexually assaulting prisoners. In 2016, a former correctional officer at MCC was sentenced to seven years behind bars for raping a woman detained at the facility. “Even in my dreams, I am suffering flashbacks where I’m repeatedly raped,” the woman told the court. And this past April, a guard was arrested for taking bribes to smuggle food, alcohol and cellphones into the facility.


Guards sleeping on the job barely moves the needle on the shittiness scale of MCC.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 11:37 AM

35. I tend to believe this

While you would think two guards would keep each other awake, if they weren't used to overnight shifts, falling asleep would be easy. Epstein didn't want to live. He knew all eyes were on this trial and it was going to be a guilty verdict with lots of time attached. Who would want to continue to live under those circumstances. He probably noticed that the guards missed their check in with him and figured he had an opportunity to kill himself. Which he did. It sucks for his victims but hopefully they can get some compensation.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 11:52 AM

39. Shit rolls downhill; this death will be blamed on the lowest ranking employees they can scapegoat.

And they may well be responsible, but nothing new with blaming the low peeps on the totem pole.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 12:33 PM

43. Here's the thing

The uncertified guard would never have "fallen asleep" unless the trained guard said it was ok, unless they were paid. If the certified guard actually told the newbie "We ALL sleep every night" then a routine check of logs against corridor cameras should result in dozens fired and criminally charged. And that is your tell-tale-if there is no mass firing it was a set-up. Never believe it was common practice unless that is exposed-and even then the fact it was common practice may be used to cover criminal malfeasance.

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