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Tue Aug 13, 2019, 06:09 PM

It's becoming a mess getting workers out of Trump event. Crowd getting angry-Updated w-Do's & Don'ts

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It’s becoming a mess getting workers out of Trump event. Crowd getting angry. Many of them stopped getting paid at 3pm when their shift ended.

A plant employee is now trying to calm the crowd down. Says they will get paid because they are still here working. No one can leave until the motorcade is gone. Most have been standing since noon.

They were told to attend the rally or stay home and not get paid for the day. They also were told not to speak to the press. 😡











***UPDATED***
Here’s is the memo to the workers of the do’s and don’ts



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Reply It's becoming a mess getting workers out of Trump event. Crowd getting angry-Updated w-Do's & Don'ts (Original post)
kpete Tuesday OP
Roland99 Tuesday #1
tblue37 Tuesday #2
fescuerescue Wednesday #28
Cartaphelius Wednesday #31
fescuerescue Wednesday #35
PoindexterOglethorpe Wednesday #32
Mc Mike Thursday #36
anarch Yesterday #58
C_U_L8R Tuesday #3
Maru Kitteh Tuesday #11
Clarity2 Tuesday #4
lunasun Tuesday #5
Clarity2 Tuesday #7
True Blue American Yesterday #64
Clarity2 Yesterday #66
uponit7771 Tuesday #12
renate Wednesday #20
Haggis for Breakfast Tuesday #6
Ilsa Tuesday #8
NotASurfer Tuesday #10
DeminPennswoods Wednesday #18
hatrack Wednesday #15
DeminPennswoods Wednesday #17
Girard442 Tuesday #9
uponit7771 Tuesday #13
Mc Mike Wednesday #14
Bettie Wednesday #16
Hotler Wednesday #19
Hekate Wednesday #25
xmas74 Friday #50
Bluesaph Wednesday #21
True Blue American Wednesday #29
ooky Wednesday #22
PandoraAwakened Wednesday #23
Hekate Wednesday #24
Doreen Wednesday #33
Mc Mike Thursday #37
TEB Wednesday #26
fescuerescue Wednesday #27
True Blue American Wednesday #30
Mc Mike Thursday #38
True Blue American Thursday #39
Mc Mike Thursday #40
True Blue American Thursday #42
Mc Mike Thursday #44
True Blue American Thursday #45
Mc Mike Thursday #46
True Blue American Thursday #47
Mc Mike Thursday #48
True Blue American Friday #49
Mc Mike Friday #52
True Blue American Friday #53
Mc Mike Friday #55
True Blue American Friday #56
Mc Mike Yesterday #57
True Blue American Yesterday #60
Mc Mike Yesterday #61
True Blue American Yesterday #62
Mc Mike Yesterday #63
Mc Mike Thursday #41
Doreen Wednesday #34
True Blue American Thursday #43
Sanity Claws Friday #51
True Blue American Friday #54
anarch Yesterday #59
spinbaby Yesterday #65

Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 06:11 PM

1. And the supporters among them will still vote for him

They’ll never get it

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 06:11 PM

2. "They were told to attend the rally or stay home and not get paid for the day." How can this

be legal? nt

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:23 PM

28. Because it's not illegal.

That's not intended as a smart ass answer. Just a reality.

No law requires employers to provide work on a particular day. In this case no traditional work is being offered.

Since these folks are hourly, it's very legal to not pay for someone to not work. At the same time, its legal to offer work such as meeting attendance and pay them for it.

What I don;t understand is why the union leadership agreed to this.



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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #28)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:51 PM

31. As with the balance of your post


you are assuming the union was even informed.

And for "reality", you are hysterically uninformed as it
is a violation of many Federal Laws. Which the last I checked
is quite illegal for everyone except republicans... (not an assumption).

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Response to Cartaphelius (Reply #31)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 07:53 PM

35. According to the twitter feed

this was done worked out with the union leadership. Could be false info I suppose.

If it's indeed illegal, I look forward to court case. Should be a nice settlement for all those folks.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #2)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:05 PM

32. The guidelines say it's an excused absence,

which sounds to me like they would get paid straight time for the shift they're not working. It does say that only those who attend the rally will get overtime on Friday. 8 hours of overtime can be a powerful incentive to attend the rally.

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #32)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:24 PM

36. We don't get paid if we don't work. In any trade.

What it is, is that they're working more than 8 daily, and the excused absence wipes out 8 hours of overtime pay (at time and a half.)

Then when it's time to reduce the site's workforce, there is no protection for the workers who didn't play along and show up.

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #2)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 06:57 AM

58. it looks to me like they maybe got overtime pay for attending?

Not defending the company here, but it looks like their low-level management and union reps were doing the best they could...

Anyway, I'd imagine that's the only way fuckface and his cronies are going to get a room full of workers at this point...pay them time and a half to stand there.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 06:19 PM

3. That's an illicit campaign contribution

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #3)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 10:49 PM

11. BINGO. That's how this must be addressed, as a legal matter.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 06:40 PM

4. Nevermind the obvious

like the illegality of this - because the Plant owner will get something in return, but look at the crowd. I dont see any obvious maga hats, so Im guessing there are no supporters there. They just couldnt afford to lose a days pay.

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Response to Clarity2 (Reply #4)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 06:50 PM

5. +1 I agree and have no judgement . They also could be singled out later by managers if they

stayed home plus the pay loss today

Ugly of the owner & company
frack them

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Response to lunasun (Reply #5)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:01 PM

7. Its almost become like Russia

The oligarchs at the mercy of Putin. Corporate America at the whim of Trump. Have to wonder how much of it is also willingly or some kind of blackmail. If the president requests something like this, do you say no then worry he will take you down somehow??

I cant believe we’ve gotten to this point. And the media never talks about it.

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Response to Clarity2 (Reply #7)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 08:34 AM

64. And they get offended

If we compare to Hitler or Mussolini. They did not start big. It was gradual, took many years

Kashoggi and Epstein are prime examples. Children in cages, Children moved in the middle of the night. ICE raids, fear, families turning on each other.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #64)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 11:56 AM

66. Which reminds me

Where are those girls!!??

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Response to Clarity2 (Reply #4)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 11:07 PM

12. +1

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Response to Clarity2 (Reply #4)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:04 PM

20. It was noticeable how unenthusiastic they were

Hopefully this paid-crowd stunt backfired.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:00 PM

6. So instead of paying people to attend his BS rallies,

he's kidnapping them. This is ILLEGAL.

For people who couldn't afford to lose a day's pay, this is worse than blackmail.

2020 cannot come soon enough.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:01 PM

8. What plant is this?

I'm trying to stay off twitter, and I don't know where MF45 was campaigning today.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #8)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 10:46 PM

10. Looks like it was western PA

Workers in same brightly colored shirts as the pictures online.

https://amp.usatoday.com/amp/1999506001

Monaca, Beaver County area.

Wonder who Chris Fannin - name on the list of instructions to whom issues were to be reported - is? If that's an actual document. I'd have thought it a fake a few years ago based on tone and conveniently fitting the narrative. Today...sadly if it fits the narrative it's usually real, now. Or so it seems.

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Response to NotASurfer (Reply #10)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:26 AM

18. They were union workers and the union put out an information sheet

of what would happen and how members were expected to behave. However, attendence was not mandatory, but attendees did get paid for their regular hours. There is really nothing nefarious here. The note about the steel-toed boots was included because attendees would be going through metal detectors and the steel-toed boots would set those off.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 06:50 AM

15. Shell plastics plant (still under construction, hence the safety vests)

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #8)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:18 AM

17. Shell ethane cracker plant near Monaca, Pa

It's been in the works for years and is in max build out right now.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 09:28 PM

9. No lunch provided. Can't bring one. Have to stand motionless for hours.

Were there even any bathrooms?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 11:10 PM

13. K&R, "... those who are NOT in attendance will not receive overtime on Friday"

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:13 AM

14. The whole thing was purposeful. Shows that he'll come into Labor territory,

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and jerk all those tough construction workers' chains, threatening their paycheck. Make them stand in full sleeve high via osha mandated stuff, for hours crowded together. Obviously they'd be arrested by ss or cops supporting ss if they said, 'screw this, I'm leaving'.

Our taxdollars, and theirs, are paying for that Shell plant 'investment'.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:06 AM

16. So, they have to go if they want to get paid

to be props...working people. The very people who Trump never, ever pays for their work.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 09:41 AM

19. Why would the union agree to this?

"The underlying theme of the event is to promote good will from the labor unions" Fuck that BS, since when has management and repugs shown good will towards labor unions.

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Response to Hotler (Reply #19)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:09 PM

25. Major arm-twisting, and a last shred of hope that Trump will not go ballistic & punish them

Right?

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Response to Hotler (Reply #19)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 04:54 AM

50. Contract negotiations?

Back scratch moment to be brought up at the negotiation table.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:25 PM

21. My husband is union

And he’s always complaining about how his uneducated union brothers are being duped and brainwashed by Trump and Republicons.

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Response to Bluesaph (Reply #21)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:23 PM

29. Voting against

Their best interests. Members destroyed their own Unions by voting Republican.

Stupid.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 03:36 PM

22. Looks like a lot of trouble just to watch a jackass braying.

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Response to ooky (Reply #22)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:03 PM

23. LOL! Good one! n/t

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:07 PM

24. That's how I thought it would be, only worse. Stand for hours? No lunch?

I'm sure the diabetics among them were so impressed.

Someone here said yesterday that they were free to leave and should have left. I hope they are reading this instruction sheet today.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #24)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:09 PM

33. I hope if they pass they will still get paid.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #24)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:30 PM

37. It's a huge site, they were bussed to the location prepped for twitler.

Then they had to deal with cops and ss. If they had been free to leave after shitler's 3+ hours late speech, they wouldn't have been trapped in the makeshift venue after 5 pm, all standing there facing the exit.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:13 PM

26. I'd stay home then file grievance for pay

Wasn’t my problem the idiot showed up and ruined work day.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:18 PM

27. I'm surprised that Union agreed to do this.

What were they thinking?

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #27)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 04:24 PM

30. Weak Unions, they cave.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #30)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:31 PM

38. IBEW 712, who's jurisdiction this is for electricians, is a tough union.

They gave us our last International President, Ed Hill, who was a dynamo of anti repuglican activism. Close ally of Rich Trumka.

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Response to Mc Mike (Reply #38)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:45 PM

39. As a life long supporter of Unions

They should not have allowed them to be forced to stand for so long, no breaks and no lunch. Not to mention threatening their pay.

And I still pay union dues voluntarily, not coerced. I owe them my life long living, and my Son was an official in his professional Union.

Republicans have weakened Unions so bad and that is sad.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #39)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:49 PM

40. There are some people in leadership positions who shouldn't be,

but around here the constant contract concessions are caused by conditions not controlled by the unions.

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Response to Mc Mike (Reply #40)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:55 PM

42. I know that.

To blame Unions for the bad things instead of where the fault really lies. Spent too many years watching this happen.

And I did not blame Unions. They have protected the worker.. I remember the strikes to get workers decent benefits, watched the next generation pee it away by voting Republican.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #42)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:59 PM

44. We definitely have too many dummies who think they're in the ownership class.

They're legally allowed to back whatever party they want to, but they're jacking us up.

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Response to Mc Mike (Reply #44)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:02 PM

45. Whining about paying Union dues.

They have no idea of how hard their Fathers fought for benefits that forced other companies to pay decent wages and benefits.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #45)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:07 PM

46. Some of the CIO trades are more young and hungry, eye of the tiger types.

AFSCME, SEIU, turn a lot of good activist rank and filers out regularly.

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Response to Mc Mike (Reply #46)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:10 PM

47. Now, but they hurt the Unions over the years and Politicians used every trick they had

To make Unions fail.

Now, they know Unions are badly needed, but the hate Unions is still there as it has been for 40 years.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #47)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 06:17 PM

48. Maybe a miscommunication here.

I was talking about the later organized trades from the Congress of Industrial Orgs part of the AFL-CIO.

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Response to Mc Mike (Reply #48)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 03:56 AM

49. I was talking

About Unions as they used to be, and what has happened to many of them. How they have been weakened by their own members voting for Politicians, bad trade laws that affected them.

Similar to what I heard in Church a few weeks ago.” Members are their worst enemies.”

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #49)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 04:32 PM

52. It's been all give backs and concessions in labor-management negotiations, since the raygun '80s.

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Response to Mc Mike (Reply #52)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 04:58 PM

53. Controllers Union!

I heard it from member after member. The beginning of the demise of the Unions.

Sherrod Brown talked to Trump. Trump asked him what he could do to help. Sherrod told him the first thing was to get rid of the 50% tax break companies get for moving overseas,.

Sherrod is the most loyal Union backer in the Senate. He dumped DeWine out of the Senate. Now DeWine manged to get elected Governor with the help of law suit ,gerrymander, moving polls and knocking people off the voting list Husted.

I wish Sherrod would run against him again!

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #53)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 05:10 PM

55. Sen. Brown is great.

We only got ~ 30 years of postwar prosperity, after we were pretty much the only economic power with an infrastructure still standing when we 'won' wwII. The big money people started squeezing, during Nixon, Ford, Carter, and set us up for the coup de gras under raygun.

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Response to Mc Mike (Reply #55)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 05:40 PM

56. You hit the nail

Right on the head. The rise and fall of the middle class.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #56)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 06:44 AM

57. Marshall Plan and other programs like it were necessary, but

what they resulted in, was US taxpayers subsidizing the building of fixed capital infrastructure in our former opponents' nations, which could compete very favorably against our pre-wwII plants' technology. The big money creeps in this country were the nominal 'investors' in those foreign industries, which is why US steel production started losing out to German, Japanese, and Korean steel, and US auto production started losing out to German, Japanese, and Korean auto industries. Same for manufacturing, textiles, widget factories, etc.

US industrial owners regarded the US unions as getting too sassy for their own good, so they forced the taxpaying union members to subsidize the foreign competition, then started shutting down our 'losing' domestic industries' production. We could get jobs joining the military to occupy our former 'enemies' instead, though. Which just helped make sure there was no job for us back in the US after we completed military service.

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Response to Mc Mike (Reply #57)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 07:26 AM

60. Again 100%!

It is nice to find someone that sees clearly what has taken place over the years.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #60)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 07:43 AM

61. Funny how the ownership class here always demagogues and points to the 'evil foreigner'

as 'the enemy'.

Germany, Japan, Korea should have their own steel production, auto production, textiles, etc. Their workers do what is needed to produce, and should get a decent living from it.

The macroeconomic 'realities' tihat have been fetishised as 'organically occurring' and 'acting independently' are just ownership's way of saying that the same can't be said for American workers. While they're screaming, bellowing, murder mouthing evil foreigners who patriotic American workers 'should hate' for 'cheating America'.

Shitler was just showing hundreds of workers in a cage, waiting to get out. That's his 'stick it in your ass' statement to labor, here. Exactly like the ICE detention facilities. Most of those people are workers, too.

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Response to Mc Mike (Reply #61)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 08:20 AM

62. Trump has been counting

On the ingrained anger of workers over the years who criticized their own Unions, voted Republican.the very ones who destroyed the Unions. Clinton made a bad mistake by signing HW Bush’s NAFTA. From that point on they found a common hate.

Meanwhile laws have been passed, making it easy for Corporations to move, or threaten, making it a tool to cut wages.

My Son sat in on many of those negotiations so I have heard it all.

Trump is doing what many of them complained about over the years, but has no idea of what he is doing. His tariffs are all over the place, hitting farmers,workers.

With the deficit exploding again we are heading for another Republican recession.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #62)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 08:28 AM

63. The dirtbag populist hard far right, with Buchanan, Perot, and tRumpf,

pretend that we have to walk a narrow tightrope between protectionist isolationist tariffs and complete free trade with super mobile international capital.

The way is in fact broad and wide, not a tightrope.

Watching those 2 fake extremist caricature sides debate is like watching 2 'opposing' guests on the Morton Downey show, or like watching Linda McMahon's pro wrestling.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #39)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:53 PM

41. I'm with you all the way, on the rest of the substance of your post.

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Response to fescuerescue (Reply #27)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 05:11 PM

34. Unfortunately some unions are in bed with those

Who they are supposed to be protecting the workers from.

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Response to Doreen (Reply #34)

Thu Aug 15, 2019, 05:57 PM

43. That is a Republican talking point.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 06:29 AM

51. If the company is paying the workers to attend this rally,

isn't this a campaign contribution? Doesn't it exceed the maximum contribution allowed under law?

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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #51)

Fri Aug 16, 2019, 05:00 PM

54. Yes, should be.

Before Trump and Barr.

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Response to Sanity Claws (Reply #51)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 06:58 AM

59. basically, yes

But there is no law anymore, so what's anybody going to do?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Sat Aug 17, 2019, 08:39 AM

65. Wasn't there a similar incident at a coal mine in this area?

The details escape me, but I seem to remember Trump appearing at a western PA coal mine where miners were told they wouldn’t get paid unless they attended the event.

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