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Mon Aug 12, 2019, 06:34 PM

 

Someone is primarying Jerry Nadler (NY-10)





It's Andrew Yang's Iowa chair.

Shady.

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Reply Someone is primarying Jerry Nadler (NY-10) (Original post)
RhodeIslandOne Aug 2019 OP
TreasonousBastard Aug 2019 #1
Stinky The Clown Aug 2019 #2
OnDoutside Aug 2019 #3
TreasonousBastard Aug 2019 #4
sabbat hunter Aug 2019 #5
George II Aug 2019 #31
JI7 Aug 2019 #6
sabbat hunter Aug 2019 #7
Leith Aug 2019 #8
Eliot Rosewater Aug 2019 #9
Leith Aug 2019 #10
thegoose Aug 2019 #11
a kennedy Aug 2019 #19
irisblue Aug 2019 #12
pnwmom Aug 2019 #13
mathematic Aug 2019 #14
FM123 Aug 2019 #16
Leith Aug 2019 #17
dsc Aug 2019 #18
chowder66 Aug 2019 #15
comradebillyboy Aug 2019 #30
Polybius Aug 2019 #20
MichMan Aug 2019 #21
Blue_true Aug 2019 #22
MichMan Aug 2019 #24
Blue_true Aug 2019 #25
Chellee Aug 2019 #27
Blue_true Aug 2019 #28
dansolo Aug 2019 #32
GulfCoast66 Aug 2019 #23
Blue_true Aug 2019 #29
empedocles Aug 2019 #26
George II Aug 2019 #33
George II Aug 2019 #34

Response to RhodeIslandOne (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 06:47 PM

1. Jesus Christ in a corduroy sweater-- what the ever lovin' fuck is up with these people? They can't..

find a Republican to run against?

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Response to TreasonousBastard (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 06:55 PM

2. It happened to Joe Crowley in nearby NY14.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 07:01 PM

3. On a day when there was no higher election primary... low turnout.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 07:03 PM

4. Yea-- that's how AOC got the job. She claimed Crowley was ignoring the district, which he...

probably was.

But Nadler?

Now?

It makes no sense.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 07:03 PM

5. Crowley had to go

and he was replaced by AOC, my rep to Congress.

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Response to Stinky The Clown (Reply #2)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:16 PM

31. Believe me, the voters won't be confused next year when the FEDERAL primaries roll around.

You'll never see anything like that happen again.

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 07:04 PM

6. Nadler warned about the dangers to people's health after 9-11

when many others claimed it was all safe.

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 07:06 PM

8. Oooooooh! THIS is interesting!

A little background on Jonathan Herzog.

Somehow, I don't think he has the Democratic Party as his priority. Just a feeling.

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Response to Leith (Reply #8)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 07:09 PM

9. All I need to know, thanks

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Reply #9)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 07:14 PM

10. Same here

He's a plant.

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Response to Leith (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 07:19 PM

11. Totally

 

Nadler is one of Dump's most ardent foes. Manchurian candidate.

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Response to Leith (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:30 PM

19. Yup......not going anywhere...loser.

Thanks for the info.

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Response to Leith (Reply #8)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 07:26 PM

12. Conservative Right Think Tank. Ok

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Response to Leith (Reply #8)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 07:29 PM

13. GREAT CATCH. Thank you, Leith. And that puts another perspective on Yang, too. n/t

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Response to Leith (Reply #8)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 07:36 PM

14. That's not the same guy

The guy in the OP went to harvard. The guy in your link went to university of nebraska.

They don't really look the same either.

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Response to mathematic (Reply #14)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 07:40 PM

16. You are right, that is not the same guy.

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Response to mathematic (Reply #14)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:10 PM

17. Rats

I figured the difference was because of 10 years of aging (2009 to 2019).

Well, I checked the guy out, but I didn't go deep enough.

Sorry, everyone!

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Response to Leith (Reply #17)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:15 PM

18. except the current picture looks about the same age as the one you found

or actually the 10 year ago picture looks older to me.

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Response to Leith (Reply #8)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 07:39 PM

15. That's not the same guy.

The Herzog you posted the link to is a historian and a Foreign Service Officer per his linkedin page and lists different schools.

Foreign Service Officer
U.S. Department of State
February 2011 – Present 8 years 7 months
Image for ACLS New Faculty Fellow
ACLS New Faculty Fellow
University of Oregon
August 2010 – February 2011 7 months
Eugene, Oregon Area
Image for National Fellow
National Fellow
Hoover Institution
September 2008 – June 2010 1 year 10 months
Stanford, CA
Image for Acting Assistant Professor
Acting Assistant Professor
Stanford University
September 2008 – June 2010 1 year 10 months
Stanford, CA



I can't get back into linkedin for (the Yang related) Herzog info but it's different. He also looks younger and different (to me).

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:55 PM

20. $1,000 a month for all Americans?

Why and how does he plan on doing this?

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Response to Polybius (Reply #20)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:16 PM

21. Universal Basic Income

It has been discussed here at DU extensively

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Response to MichMan (Reply #21)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:25 PM

22. The name is understood. How will it be paid for? nt

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #22)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:11 AM

24. Same as everything else; tax the 1 %

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Response to MichMan (Reply #24)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 05:57 PM

25. There are not enough 1%. If they are the only ones taxed, you are

talking about confiscatory taxation, which won't stand up in Court.

UBI will be needed, robots and AI are fast and relentlessly eliminating human labor. But how to manage such a system is long from being worked out in a way that makes sustainable economic sense.

Tax the 1% makes a great soundbite, but there are so few of them that we would have to seize a large amount of their assets, as well as tax ALL of THEIR annual income at a much higher rate than now.

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Response to Blue_true (Reply #25)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 06:09 PM

27. How would we pay for the Freedom Dividend?

It would be easier than you might think. Andrew proposes funding the Freedom Dividend by consolidating some welfare programs and implementing a Value-Added Tax (VAT) of 10%. Current welfare and social program beneficiaries would be given a choice between their current benefits or $1,000 cash unconditionally – most would prefer cash with no restriction.

A Value-Added Tax (VAT) is a tax on the production of goods or services a business produces. It is a fair tax and it makes it much harder for large corporations, who are experts at hiding profits and income, to avoid paying their fair share. A VAT is nothing new. 160 out of 193 countries in the world already have a Value-Added Tax or something similar, including all of Europe which has an average VAT of 20 percent.

The means to pay for the Freedom Dividend will come from 4 sources:

1. Current spending. We currently spend between $500 and $600 billion a year on welfare programs, food stamps, disability and the like. This reduces the cost of the Freedom Dividend because people already receiving benefits would have a choice but would be ineligible to receive the full $1,000 in addition to current benefits.

Additionally, we currently spend over one trillion dollars on health care, incarceration, homelessness services and the like. We would save $100 – 200+ billion as people would take better care of themselves and avoid the emergency room, jail, and the street and would generally be more functional. The Freedom Dividend would pay for itself by helping people avoid our institutions, which is when our costs shoot up. Some studies have shown that $1 to a poor parent will result in as much as $7 in cost-savings and economic growth.

2. A VAT. Our economy is now incredibly vast at $19 trillion, up $4 trillion in the last 10 years alone. A VAT at half the European level would generate $800 billion in new revenue. A VAT will become more and more important as technology improves because you cannot collect income tax from robots or software.

3. New revenue. Putting money into the hands of American consumers would grow the economy. The Roosevelt Institute projected that the economy would grow by approximately $2.5 trillion and create 4.6 million new jobs. This would generate approximately $800 – 900 billion in new revenue from economic growth and activity.

4. Taxes on top earners and pollution. By removing the Social Security cap, implementing a financial transactions tax, and ending the favorable tax treatment for capital gains/carried interest, we can decrease financial speculation while also funding the Freedom Dividend. We can add to that a carbon fee that will be partially dedicated to funding the Freedom Dividend, making up the remaining balance required to cover the cost of this program.

*From Andrew Yang's website

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Response to Chellee (Reply #27)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 06:53 PM

28. I agree that putting more money in the hands of people who spend it grows

the economy, so yes, UBI would help there. I agree with taxing all the streams of rich people's incomes, doing that generates more revenue.

Yang's idea of using pollution taxes for UBI is troublesome to me. My belief is those taxes should be used to reverse the ill effects of pollution, which if left unchecked raised medical expenses and hurts productivity.

The rest has lots of problems.

A VAT impacts everyone, poor, middleclass, rich equally. There are some arguments that it falls heaviest on the poorest.

$1,000 would not be remotely enough to house and feed a person in cities like Seattle, San Francisco, LA, Chicago, Miami, Orlando, Boston, DC, McClean VA, ect. People WILL NOT be able to make an either/or choice about giving up welfare assistance for UBI, if they expect to survive without a struggle.

Yang makes one fundamentally incorrect assumption about healthcare costs under Universal Healthcare, that they will instantly drop. An instant drop presupposes that everyone follows preventative medicine and take care of themselves, we know that is not true. People will have to be educated about how to live a preventative lifestyle as far as preventable illness is concerned, I have no idea how long it would take to get to a point where the vast majority of Americans are practicing preventative lifestyles.

I applaud Yang on taking on UBI, he is the only one that has the foresight to do so. His test group was people that have jobs but could use an extra $1,000 per month. An actual UBI system would have a far more complex mix of people. We could start UBI by giving it to the unemployed and people on welfare, but that opens the program up to criticism that it is wealth distribution in disguise. UBI, like I pointed out, WILL be needed soon, and I find that distressing because no one has figured out how to best make it work, not even Yang (who is head and shoulders ahead of other politicians).

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Response to MichMan (Reply #24)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:26 PM

32. Not true. They want a VAT to pay for it.

Total non-starter.

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Response to MichMan (Reply #21)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:45 PM

23. And extensively panned as a really bad idea.

We’re fighting to save SS and Medicare and a UBI is going to be a winning issue?

Got it.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #23)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:02 PM

29. UBI comes with some daunting implementation issues.

But I am convinced that it will both be needed at some point and will be put into place at some point.

One issue that I have with it is it has the potential to open up some ugly racial and economic class issues and could possibly open arguments about WHO should have children, obstensively along economic class lines, but we know that in America, the argument will have a massive racial component (we are even seeing that in the social democracy states in Europe as they are populated by more POC. There is a reason for nationalism and white supremacy rising in Europe, and a total pig like Steve Bannon having serious influence there).

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 06:07 PM

26. Challenge smells bad - unfortunately there is Dem precedent

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:33 PM

33. There's another challenger, too - Lindsey Boylan.

I googled this guy, first two news reports of his candidacy were Washington Times and The Hill.

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Response to RhodeIslandOne (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:38 PM

34. All I can find about him is that he took a leave of absence from Harvard Law School....

...to take the job on Yang's campaign.

Where's the NY connection? He certainly hasn't lived in the 10th District in the recent past.

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