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Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:03 AM

The Necromancer of Id

While I was watching a clip of Trump's talk last week, about his opposition to violence and white nationalism, I remembered something from long ago. I was in a training in Rome, NY, for forensic social workers, being presented by J. Reid Meloy, the psychologist who was widely recognized as our country's leading expert on sociopaths. Dr. Meloy was the top student of Dr. Robert Hare, who had devised the Hare Checklist for identifying sociopaths.

Each day of the training, Dr. Meloy spoke about the sociopath's ability “to know the words, but not the tune.” In other words, a sociopath can utter words in an attempt to feign empathy, etc, but it falls flat. In this case, Trump didn't even know the words – he was merely trying to read what someone else had composed for the teleprompter. His tone in delivering the message was devoid of any human emotion. The word “flat” does not fully capture the emptiness of his tone.

Now, this is not in and of itself one of the diagnostic traits found on Hare's Checklist. But it certainly blends in with a number of traits found on that checklist that Trump exhibits. There are twenty traits assessed on the Hare checklist, and the more traits one has, the higher they rank on the scale for sociopathy. For a quick review, let's consider those that one might associate with Trump: glib; grandiose; need for stimulation; pathological lying; manipulative; lack of remorse or guilt; lack of empathy; parasitic lifestyle; poor behavioral controls; promiscuity; early behavior problems; impulsive; irresponsibility and refusal to accept responsibility.

Among these are a cluster that are closely related for the potential for cruelty. The lack of the human traits of empathy, or remorse, combined with the refusal to take responsibility, can make for a cold and cruel specimen. The type that enjoys separating little children from their families. The type that takes pleasure in keeping children in metal cages. That orders ICE to separate parents from their children on the very day he goes to El Paso, to send the message that if you don't like children in cages, he'll leave them alone on the streets of America instead.

What might this mean in the context of the effort to impeach Trump and/or the 2020 presidential election? Let's apply the first lesson on campaigns ….there are three groups: those who will always vote for you, those who will always vote against you, and those who are either undecided or not firmly committed. No Democrat who watched Trump's reading of a speech last week is going to think, “Boy, that came straight from the heart. He isn't so bad.” And no white nationalist is going to think for a second that Trump meant a word of it. That leaves the third group, which is those who generally decide an election.

Now, it's important to remember that a presidential election is actually fifty state elections. While the popular vote should determine the outcome, it doesn't. Thus, it is essential that we focus on state polls, rather than becoming overconfident due to national polls. Still, with this in mind, it is evident that we can use Trump's obscene level of cruelty to our advantage. For but one example, there are enough film clips of him displaying his toxic filth that our party can highlight it in hundreds of commercials aimed at the undecided voters – as well as those who opted to not vote in 2016.

We know that Trump has a fragile, underdeveloped ego. When confronted, his id takes the reins. We saw that when Nancy and Chuck confronted him about the potential “Trump shutdown.” He reacted by taking ownership of what became a cruel, unpopular failure. That is his essence. Likewise, he hates to be the butt of jokes, and can be counted on to immediately go on the attack. We need to use these things ot only against him, but against every republican in DC who outright supports him, or who remains silent.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:07 AM

1. Kick

Attack the monster at his weakest spot.

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #1)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:09 AM

2. Damn right!

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:41 PM

21. recommended to publicize

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:09 AM

3. Great post

You nailed the Con

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Response to malaise (Reply #3)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:10 AM

4. Thank you!

He is such a repulsive swine.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:12 AM

5. Robbie would concur.....

But he was only a robot.

Bu I do remember the moral-Beware the creatures of the Id!.

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Response to Boxerfan (Reply #5)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:18 AM

6. I believe that

Willard "Mitt" Romney said that robots are people. Something along those lines.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:29 AM

7. K&R and thanks. nt

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Response to tblue37 (Reply #7)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:10 PM

12. Thanks!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:32 AM

8. Chump refuses to prepare for anything

When somebody else writes the speech, Chump doesn't even read it before he gets up there on the podium. That's why he makes so many mistakes, and why he "wings it" sometimes, he just throws in any old shit whether it makes sense or not.

No advance preparation makes him a terrible speaker and it's one of the reasons why he cannot debate against any of our Democratic candidates. Any Dem would run rings around Chump just like Hillary did, except in 2016 Chump was younger and sharper than he is now.

This is just one more aspect of his wacky personality, and one more reason why he's a terrible president.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #8)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:12 PM

13. Definitely.

Even though he doesn't work at "being president," his time in office has taken a toll. His abilities are greatly reduced, and the chatter he spouts is old and worn thin.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:33 AM

9. I think you hit some good points

When I first saw the speech, I thought also that his monotone was a signal to his loyalists: Don’t pay any attention to these words, you can tell this isn’t really me, I’m just going through the motions.

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Response to SCantiGOP (Reply #9)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:15 PM

14. I agree.

None of his flock could have possibly mistaken that for sincere. What would be more interesting is if, by some freak chance, he signs a law on background checks. Even though the vast majority of people favor them, his base will view it as a betrayal. And if he doesn't do anything, more people will be disgusted with him.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:33 AM

10. Absolutely agree.

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Response to Pacifist Patriot (Reply #10)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:16 PM

15. Thank you!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:50 AM

11. Gaslight the gaslighter

Been saying it for months.

Make commercials highlighting his sickness and play them over and over until he loses it.

Constant reminders of what a truly crazy person he is.

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Response to coeur_de_lion (Reply #11)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:16 PM

16. Yep!

Let him know people are laughing at him.

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Response to coeur_de_lion (Reply #11)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:40 PM

20. He hates being called a "racist"...

He can dish it out but he most definitely cannot take it.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #20)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 05:11 PM

37. Call him the racist rapist

over and over and over until his head explodes.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #20)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:05 PM

91. Right!

I saw a report on how he was angry all weekend about being viewed as a racist.

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Response to coeur_de_lion (Reply #11)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 07:13 PM

42. +1

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Response to coeur_de_lion (Reply #11)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:56 PM

54. I KNew I'd Find You Here Lion



What a thread!

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Response to Me. (Reply #54)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:06 PM

92. The two of you .....

always ganging up on me.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #92)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:50 PM

99. Be Warned

Instead of FVEY, TWEY

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #92)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 10:42 AM

107. Only because we love you n/t

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Response to Me. (Reply #54)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 05:30 PM

102. Haha I am a woman

of few words Me. Most of my words on DU can be found on H's OPs.

How you? Ready to celebrate when the mango mussolini drops dead after his next big mac?

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Response to coeur_de_lion (Reply #102)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 06:27 PM

103. I Hear You Roar

That may be one of the infinite mysteries of this admin. He eats terribly, all sorts of fats and sugar (is he sexually deprived since he came to the WH), has gained tons of weight, has continual temper tantrums, is under severe stress and, yet, HE'S STILL STANDING.

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Response to Me. (Reply #103)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 06:39 PM

104. I've known plenty of ridiculously unhealthy people

at work, at home. My parents even. My father was a very unhealthy eater -- ate sugar (mostly ice cream) every day of his life. Diabetic. He lived until he was 86, dying of Parkinson's caused by agent orange in Vietnam. If not for that I'm sure he would've lived well into his nineties.

He had a ferocious temper and lots of tantrums, though he was retired for almost 40 years from the AF before he died. So no work stress.

I inherited his temper . . . . and then some.

But Dad believed he was right and when you believe in yourself I think that takes away a certain amount of stress.

I don't know if trump is delusional enough to believe his own lies. But fd he is I think that takes away the stress of the lies.

Anyway H should probably tell us the life expectancy of someone like trump if he knows it. I think he'll live a really long time unless we get him to prison like his friend Epstein.

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Response to coeur_de_lion (Reply #104)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 06:41 PM

105. PLease Don't Take Our Hope Away

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Response to Me. (Reply #105)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 06:44 PM

106. If we just hope he'll die

we might not fight as hard or make fun of him as much.

We need to make fun of him a lot.

Publicly.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:37 PM

17. use his own pet words

stupid, dumb, etc
bad at business, bankruptcy, doesn't have as much money etc
filthy, dirty, etc

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Response to Locrian (Reply #17)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:41 PM

45. Right.

All of those describe him.

Make him a joke.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:39 PM

18. Kick n/t

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:39 PM

19. K&R...👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼

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Response to spanone (Reply #19)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:41 PM

46. Thank you!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:55 PM

22. Will the Dems stoop to conquer? No, we prefer to lose with honor.

Who will get in the mud and make/run ads that directly attack his cruelty and narcissism? In 2016, we left his vanity off the table and let him skate on 1. his ridiculous hair, 2. his veneers, 3. his spray tan raccoon eyes, 4. his obesity. Attacking his masculinity isn't just what he deserves; it's key to weakening him in the eyes of white voters.

The GOP has no problem doing that, why should we?

Frankly, I don't see a Liz Warren taking the low road to victory. It's going to have to be a PAC that she can deny association with.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #22)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 05:30 PM

38. It's not "the low road,"

any more than prosecutors calling Jeff Epstein a predator was a low blow. Trump needs to be prosecuted in the court of public opinion. I say bring the guilty shithead in and we'll give him a fair trial.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #38)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 05:40 PM

39. "When they go low, we go high".

We went high, we lost.

I got excoriated on DU in 2016 for proposing that his masculinity should be attacked, mostly for using the word 'Heteronormative'.

As in "a 70 year old man dying his fake hair blonde is not Heteronormative".

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #39)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 06:51 PM

41. Valid point.

I think prosecuting him publicly is the highest road. Just my opinion. He's a threat to national security, and that's the kindest thing I can say about him.

Being an old and simple man, I think back to my contests in the ring for reference. Against some opponents, I exploited their weaknesses, with others, I attacked their strengths. And against the most dangerous opponents, I went after both.

I do think comments about his "bone spurs" is valid.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #39)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 07:29 PM

44. ... with the help of the Russians.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #44)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:42 PM

47. Yes.

He would not have "won" without it.

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Response to maxsolomon (Reply #39)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:16 AM

81. When they go low...tell the fucking TRUTH

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:57 PM

23. Kick and rec.

Terrific post- Thank you!

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Response to tosh (Reply #23)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:42 PM

48. Thanks!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 01:03 PM

24. Kicking

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Response to Hekate (Reply #24)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:42 PM

49. Thanks, Hekate!

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #49)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:01 AM

77. Forgot to say how much I love the title of your piece

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Response to Hekate (Reply #77)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:09 AM

78. Thanks!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 01:16 PM

25. I ask myself these questions all the time

Is the mission of the creature and his accomplices that important to them that they will allow the country to decline, to accept the immoral actions of the administration and be part of it?

Are they so compromised and so naive to think they will never be found out? Don't they know that most crooks are eventually found out and pay a heavy price for their criminality?

At what time do people say "I cannot be part of this, I love my country more than I love the mission, I must speak out, I must tell the World what is going on, I must speak the truth and stop this madness". When will anyone be brave enough to do it?

So many flags on so many lapels, so much Christianity out of the mouths of people filled with hate, incapable of understanding the cruelty of which they are part of, the damage they are doing to so many children, so many families, to the country, to the world. All those flags on the lapels and their fake Christianity mean nothing, they are just props to make the ignorant and gullible believe they are good people, but they are the worst of humankind, the World will be a better place when they are gone, when they can no longer legislate against the people.

I agree with some Democrats that a "Revolution" must take place, but the revolution has to be one of education to all, we must eliminate ignorance to make sure things like what we live today will never happen again. Educated people would never accept the vile actions of this administration, yes there will still be some who will, but the majority will not stand for it.

I fear that we are moving into a possible civil war, that many will be fighting against hate and ignorance, and nothing would fill these crooks hearts more, and their boss Putin, than something like that to happen.

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Response to Perseus (Reply #25)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:52 PM

50. Valid points!

I think the answer to the first three questions are: yes, yes, and no.

"...we as a nation must undergo a radical revolution of values. We must rapidly begin to shift from a 'thing-oriented' society to a 'person-oriented' society. When machines and computers, profit motives and property rights are considered more important than people, the giant triplets of racism, materialism, and militarism are incapable of being conquered."
-- Martin Luther King, Jr., "A Time to Break Silence" (April 4, 1967)

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 01:25 PM

26. Dr. Hare would describe Trump as a psychopath

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Response to pandr32 (Reply #26)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:54 PM

51. Right.

And Erich Fromm described the same character type as "malignant narcissist." (I have a few names for him myself. Quite a few. They all describe him accurately.)

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #51)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:12 AM

80. Well I landed in therapy again 2 days after

the 11/8/16 installation of the puppet and I can tell you that my psychiatrist says that MF45 is a textbook malignant narcissist. He’s a mess. A dangerous mess.

Wonderful OP H2O Man. Thank you for your hard work.

Kick.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 01:29 PM

27. Beautiful! Well done, H2O Man. VERY well said.

SUPERBLY well said.

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Response to calimary (Reply #27)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:55 PM

52. Oh, thank you!

I really appreciate that!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 01:33 PM

28. Explains why he took suck offense to Obama's jokes at Correspondents Dinner.

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Response to Pepsidog (Reply #28)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 01:41 PM

29. One thing I have been wondering about

Why is Barr getting involved in the Epstein death, it has been said that his family had a longstanding relationship to Epstein.

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Response to Timmygoat (Reply #29)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:59 PM

55. He shouldn't be.

Even on the surface, I think Barr has discredited himself to beyond the extent where people believe him.

I wrote an essay here about a month ago, detailing Barr's father and Epstein. I believe it puts it in the proper perspective.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #55)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:59 PM

76. It sure did. Great article. I was telling my son about Barr's bizarre family connections to Epstein.

You literally cannot make this stuff up. Books about space sex slavery trade.

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Response to Pepsidog (Reply #76)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:11 AM

79. You really can't!

My cousin often says if anyone came up with this pre-Trump, it would sound too extreme to believe.

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Response to Pepsidog (Reply #28)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:56 PM

53. Seriously!

I still love watching that film. President Obama wasn't holding back. He provided us with a model of how to get under those layers of moldy skin.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 01:50 PM

30. And remember at all times that sociopaths, like psychopaths do not change.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #30)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:00 PM

56. Right.

If anything, in fact, Trump seems to be getting worse.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #56)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:07 PM

59. His physical deterioration seems to be accelerating, too. Good.

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Response to marble falls (Reply #59)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:12 PM

60. Right!

Being angry and frustrated may speed the process.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 02:01 PM

31. Sometimes the truth seems so obvious, doesn't it....

Why oh why don't dem party leaders see the huge stockpile of ammunition there is on this psychopath?

Great thoughts...

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Response to pangaia (Reply #31)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:05 PM

57. Yep.

I don't want to cross over into the "primary" forum, but I do think Joe Biden nailed Trump when he declared his candidacy. And a number of other candidates did last week. More, I think that a significant number of Democrats in the House and Senate are speaking honestly about how toxic he is.

I'm thinking that people at the grass roots level can participate in an "information campaign" aimed at the "undecideds," too.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 02:05 PM

32. A more sagely considered post you will not find today


There are so many critical points raised (for example the on point diagnosis) that it would be exhaustive to even list them.

Let us ponder the most critical point

50 State elections

Many of those elections will not be competitive.

Many of the competitive elections will be decided on state issues and other than Presidential ballot raises.

Take Arizona for example. With Mark Kelly on the ballot I would not be surprised that we win the Senate seat by 10+ points. McSally is not only vulnerable, she might not win the primary.

I know that the general impression is that AZ is deep red but Dems are plus one in their congressional delegation. When Mark Kelly wins we will have 2 Democratic Senators.

This is not an accident. Mark Kelly/Gabby Giffords graciously took themselves out of the 2018 primary giving us a chance to win with Sinema.

Kelly/Giffords 2020 run will give us a great turnout and their coattails will be enough to go Blue on Presidential ballot. Trump BARELY won AZ (3%) and Sec Clinton was very unpopular among many.

Trump only got 49% of the vote. If AZ goes blue there is no realistic chance for a Trump victory (If AZ is blue then Iowa and Colorado will probably go Blue as well).

If we take AZ Pres and Senate seat and win the WH and control of the Senate it will be because of Kelly/Giffords courageous and strategic moves.

Michael Moore made the same brilliant point when he urged Democrats to run popular propositions (marijuana, minimum wage) in every competitive state.

50 State elections and only 10-15 are competitive. We can build a landslide.

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Response to grantcart (Reply #32)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:22 PM

62. Thank you!

And especially thank you for the great response!

Recognizing that it is a fifty individual state contest is essential. It is vital for understanding why national polls, while of some value, are not as important as individual state polls. And that not only helps us avoid overconfidence, it indicates where resources are best invested. That includes time and money.

I think that you and I, along with a number of friends here, remember how in 1968, having college students going door-to-door in an important state helped change the dynamics. That's one investment that illustrates the type of creative action that the grass roots can invest in for 2020. It's not only the actual campaign team and candidate that can move those state polls, and lead to victory.

Oh, I want that landslide! And exactly as you say, it is a possibility within our grasp!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 02:14 PM

33. Didn't Hillary do some commercials where Trump was just saying nasty, crappy Trump things?

Don't rely on exposing Trump as the psychopath, racist, sexist or cruel monster that he is. I think there needs to be narrative with it.

Too many people will not pay attention to Trump just saying again all the crappy crap Trump says. They heard it before, they aren't listening. There has to be an explanation of why what he says is so bad. Why it is bad for any human and why it is particularly bad for a president. Who cares that a crazy psychopath is our President unless of course you worry about his control over you, over your family and over nuclear weapons.

I swear some of those commercials with Trump saying awful things during the 2016 election were actually seen as positive by some voters. They saw him as the monkey in the monkey wrench. They guy who says crazy things just to shake things up. You have to explain how he will destroy our democracy. Some people just need both show and tell.

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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #33)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:36 PM

63. I'm not sure

about that. I don't have tv (I watch things on youtube). I don't remember if her campaign did or not.

I agree with much, but not all, of what you said here. As noted in the OP, there are definitely groups that will always support you, and another that will always oppose you. Definitely there are people who voted for Trump because they share his hatreds. They view him as giving voice to their deeply-held beliefs -- and indeed, he has. But I'm not concerned about them come election day 2020. As the old Irish saying goes, "Fuck them."

It's those who make up "Group C" in political Science 101, who are undecided -- including those uncertain of if they will vote -- and those who are not firmly committed to either candidate. That is who a campaign focuses on in any potentially close election contest. And how they are approached is important.

We've all heard the saying that not all of Trump's supporters are white nationalists, but all white nationalists are Trump supporters. That's a great example of the message to be communicated by highlighting Trump's cruel racism.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #63)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:53 AM

89. Some people just go along to get along

I see it here in rural TN. They are smart, they aren't racist but they would never object if uncle Joe tells a racist joke. They aren't sexist but if their friend harrasses a woman they will ignore it.

They are stealth egalitarians. They would like to see a free and equal world but they don't think anything they do will make a difference.

I think if you point out the dangers of Trump crap it would stop and make these people think. Give them a narrative to hang their hat on of how Trump crap will hurt them and they will change. I mean these folks live and work with racist and crazy MAGATs and to them Trump is just another version of their racist crazy neighbor.

Perhaps these stealth egalitarians are your undecided. But they are really just not motivated to to stand up to the crazies.If we give them a reason they will take their egalitarian tendencies to the voting booth.

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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #89)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:07 PM

93. Very interesting!

I agree 100%

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 02:53 PM

34. Pick any Ttump screed, like 3/19/2019 with Jair Bolsonaro, no incitements to MAGA zombies here...

Not even a MAGA incitement rally and all the cold, cruel diviseness and dog whistles to the base emerge.
Dateline March 19th, 2019, and the two largest and obscenely cruel world dictators speak...


Ttump: "Today I'm very thrilled to welcome President Bolsonaro for his first visit to the White House" ... "We're going to have a fantastic relationship, we have many views that are similar..."
"The twilight hour of socialism has arrived in our hemisphere, and hopefully by the way, it's also arrived, that twiight hour, in our great country" ... "The last thing we want in the United States is socialism. So President Bolsonaro and I will, uh, tell you that we'll be consulting and talking a lot. We'll be working a lot on our (both?) problems and assets, and we're making tremendous strides, we had a great meeting today"
(the famous "NATO ally" blurb, trade goals...space farce...end verbal suck up introduction from Ttump)

Bolsonaro: "We do share a great deal in common." ... "n conclusion, may I say that Brazil and the United States stand side by side in their efforts to ensure liberties and respect to traditional family lifestyles, respect to God, our Creator, against the gender ideology or the politically correct attitudes, and against fake news."

Ttump opens his stump again:
"I tell you, I have many, many millions of followers on Twitter. And it's different than it used to be. Things are happening, names are taken off, people aren't getting through. You've heard the same complaints. And it seems to be, if they're conservative, if they're Republicans, if they're in a certain group, there's discrimination and big discrimination." ... (moths wordy "no collusion" deflections)
"So something is happening with those groups of folks that are running Facebook and Google and Twitter. And I do think we have to get to the bottom of it. It's very fair -- it's collusive, and it's very, very fair to say that we have to do something about it. And if we don't -- you know, the incredible thing is that we can win an election and we have such a stacked deck." (rant continues against "fake news networks"
Question for Jair Bolsonaro from interviewer: "Thank you, sir. President Bolsonaro, and another question on the 2020 election: If a number of the Democrats who are running to replace the President have embraced or have considered socialist ideas -- you've spoken critically of that in the past -- if a socialist or a candidate who embraced socialism were to replace the President, how would it affect your relations with the United States?
Bolsonaro:
"I do believe Donald Trump is going to be reelected fully." ..."This was the same -- what happened to me. I think everyone will repeat their vote here in America. So, every day, more and more people that are prone to socialism, and even communism, slowly are going to be opening their minds to the reality." ... "This feeling most certainly is going to be very much seen when 2020 comes."
(Both puppets exchange extensive and clumsy niceties, and thank the thankless, conclusion)

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Response to lambchopp59 (Reply #34)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:40 PM

64. Right.

Exactly.

I'm thinking of a commercial that has clips of Trump's campaign, when he said over and over that he'd be too busy as president to play golf. I believe there are over 50 tweets attacking President Obama for playing golf, too. There is the potential there to get an audience to laugh at the ass clown.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #64)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:26 AM

85. Plenty of material there.


Trump playing golf.
Chinese woman at Mira Lago, ......

I think they should play Moscow Mitch saying “ obstruct, obstruct, obstruct” over and over again.

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Response to flying_wahini (Reply #85)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:08 PM

94. Right.

Lots and lots of options. And they are good options!

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Response to lambchopp59 (Reply #34)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:47 AM

86. How many of Trump's knuckle-draggers know who Bolsonaro is?

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 03:11 PM

35. KR

I can see no one is interested...

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Response to Me. (Reply #35)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:40 PM

65. I told you

that this would happen. (grin)

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #65)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:59 PM

71. Should've Listened

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Response to Me. (Reply #71)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:10 PM

73. You'll know better

next time!

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #73)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:12 PM

75. ...

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 03:25 PM

36. Cowardly Kremlin Don and Moscow Mitch should be stuck together

Normally, divide and conquer is a good strategy. I believe it is more appropriate in this case to keep all the Gangsters of Putin stuck together, or, borrowing a phrase from your closing, "against every republican in DC".

The leading criminals should be kept joined at the hip: Kremlin Don and Moscow Mitch.

This hydra is the greatest threat we face.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #36)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:46 PM

66. Thanks!

I was the second editor of our underground high school newspaper, The Hydra. (The first editor had graduated and became a member of the Weather Underground, before going to prison.) Ah, the good old days!

And you are exactly right -- we need to keep creeps like Mitch pasted to Trump. And as not a single republican official in DC who is up for election in 2020 has had the decency to uphold their oath of office, glue them all together. Doing so is our best bet.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #66)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 01:10 AM

82. great big gobs of greasy, grimey GOPers

I swear I didn't track down your Hydra background before making the previous post!

Republicans have adhered to both Trump and our enemy Putin in the attempted destruction of our democracy. Late cries, from a few, concerning securing our election should not unstick them -- they have whole-heartedly supported thwarting the will of the electorate as long as they could benefit while not receiving too much bad press.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #82)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 05:48 AM

83. Moscow Mitch claimed

at his last rally before he injured himself, and began working from home, that he and president tRump are "Making America Great Again"!! His bank account has certainly benefited from this abomination of a president. Moscow Mitch has way too much power. One man should not be responsible for deciding which bills are brought up for a vote, and which (sensible ones) should not.

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #66)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:47 AM

87. Plus,

reminders of the "team" that IQ45 had/has selected to work with him - "Only the best!"
You know, like the lately departed Secretary of Epstein Forgiveness, the Secretary of Expensive Trips and Privacy Booths, the Secretary of Riding my Horse into Town to Take Out all the Cash, and, of course, the Secretary of Private Education for Profit.
Some track record, huh?

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Response to MyOwnPeace (Reply #87)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:10 PM

96. Definitely!

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Response to H2O Man (Reply #66)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:48 AM

88. Mark Rudd was graduated from the h.s. in my town. Columbia H.S., Maplewood, N.J.

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Response to 3Hotdogs (Reply #88)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:09 PM

95. A few years back,

I did an interview with Mark for DU. Great guy.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 06:02 PM

40. There's a tidal wave coming in about 15 months from now.

Since the reported* passing of Mr. Epstein, I have warmed to the thought of stretching out Congressional hearings on the deranged, depraved and deluded traitor Donald the Pussygrabber of Merde-pa-Loco.



*How to Test & Ascertain Gangland Style: Dress well and carry a straight pin.

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Response to Kid Berwyn (Reply #40)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:50 PM

67. Thank you!

In his wettest dream, Trump used to fancy himself a mob boss. Now he dreams of being a dictator. Both tend to be high-risk occupations. We need to make sure his ending is overwhelming, and humiliating. He will replace Nixon as the worst creep to serve as president.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 07:16 PM

43. He is a MALIGNANT NARCISSIST SOCIOPATH. nt

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #43)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:54 PM

68. True.

Erich Fromm coined "malignant narcissist" to describe sociopaths. Fromm's writings are essential reading. His 1973 book, "The Anatomy of Human Destructiveness" details not only how a person like Trump gains power under certain social conditions, but how they attract assistants and supporters who share some of their ugly traits.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:06 PM

58. K&R. n/t

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Response to rzemanfl (Reply #58)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:54 PM

69. Thank you!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:18 PM

61. 100th rec, and deservedly so.

Outstanding post.

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Response to VOX (Reply #61)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 10:55 PM

70. Thank you!

I appreciate that!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:03 PM

72. Excellent OP, thanks.

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Response to oasis (Reply #72)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:11 PM

74. Thank you!

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 07:22 AM

84. Very well written

Thoughtful and informative.
Just checked. Trumps temper tantrum shut down cost the American people 11 Billion dollars.

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Response to mgardener (Reply #84)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:11 PM

97. Thank you!

That shut down hurt a lot of people.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 09:28 AM

90. One irony has struck me recently...

...presuming Mr Trump to be a sociopath, which does seem a pretty safe bet, he really believes nothing, is sincere about nothing. His only concern is expediency. Yet the white supremacists who form the core of his base apparently believe their own ideology -- and believe that Mr Trump shares it. He'd sell them out in a NY minute if it became expedient, which would probably shock them all to hell and back. But they love him because he "has principles" (by which they mean, they believe he shares their principles), and "tells the truth" (by which they mean, says what they have always wanted to say, but didn't have the courage to say until recently).

--Mal

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Response to malthaussen (Reply #90)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 12:20 PM

98. Yes, exactly.

Those who strongly support Trump have merely projected their own wants and needs, fears and hatreds, to an empty shell of a man who they identify as their leader. They believe, in their heart of hearts, that Trump cares about them, and is interested in their well-being. And in truth, Trump doesn't care about them any more than he cares about you and I -- not a bit. He'll take their money. He'll court their vote. But he isn't ever going to socialize with them, for he is convinced that they are far, far beneath him.

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Response to H2O Man (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 02:20 PM

100. Kicked and recommended

Thanks for the thread H2O Man.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #100)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 04:57 PM

101. Thank you!

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