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Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:18 PM

Our current government is illegitimate, it is not an administration

It is a regime, they are dismantling every institution and destroying everything that does not benefit trump and his cronies.

This IS 1930ís Germany. We are the people looking away.

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Reply Our current government is illegitimate, it is not an administration (Original post)
onecaliberal Sunday OP
uponit7771 Sunday #1
CrispyQ Sunday #2
pangaia Sunday #3
Hermit-The-Prog Monday #25
dalton99a Sunday #4
triron Sunday #5
The Liberal Lion Sunday #6
BigOleDummy Sunday #7
triron Sunday #8
onecaliberal Sunday #10
The Liberal Lion Sunday #12
triron Sunday #15
rwsanders Tuesday #32
The Liberal Lion Tuesday #33
sharedvalues Sunday #11
The Liberal Lion Sunday #13
triron Sunday #16
Hermit-The-Prog Monday #26
Pepsidog Sunday #9
Dan Sunday #14
triron Sunday #17
Dan Sunday #18
triron Sunday #19
Dan Monday #20
triron Monday #22
Dan Monday #23
rwsanders Tuesday #34
OldBaldy1701E Monday #21
onecaliberal Monday #24
BigDemVoter Monday #27
onecaliberal Monday #28
triron Wednesday #37
Harker Monday #29
Trueblue Texan Tuesday #30
onecaliberal Tuesday #31
Trueblue Texan Wednesday #35
onecaliberal Wednesday #36
triron Wednesday #38
triron Wednesday #39

Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:21 PM

1. K&R, Those who push back on your discription hasn't studied how the German gov fell apart in that

... one year.

Ours fell apart when Red Don said he's going to cheat to get elected.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 01:51 PM

2. I'm sad to say I agree. We are the Good Germans.

Good Germans is a term referring to German citizens during and after World War II who claimed not to have supported the Nazi regime, but remained silent and did not resist in a meaningful way. The term further denotes those who claimed ignorance of the Holocaust and German war crimes. Wikipedia


Everyone of us sitting at a keyboard own part of this. But honestly, I don't have a clue what to do, other than to call Congress. And then what? Leave a message? The biggest protest in our history was the woman's march in 2017, right after the orange asshole was inaugurated. Marches since have not been nearly as large. And in the end, what good did it do? Six months after that march, my non-political friends were still NOT calling their members of Congress to complain about trying to ax the ACA.

on edit: The dems better have a Plan B cuz he'll either win by cheating or he'll question the results if he loses. He's not leaving office if he can be convicted. Yesterday I said that I give the country a 25% chance of surviving Trump/Barr/McConnell & someone responded that I was being too optimistic.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #2)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:02 PM

3. I AGREE- and have since the election...

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #2)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 03:10 PM

25. you are engaging in global conversations

The billionaire-owned M$M is part of the problem. People sitting at keyboards are routing around that problem, fact-checking those who are failing to be journalists and pointing other people to the real journalists still risking their lives to report truth.

Marches alone will not reach enough people. Big marches get tv's attention, but that is fleeting. The online conversations extend, expand and correct tv's influence.

More people are awake because of multi-prong efforts to make them notice.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:09 PM

4. It is a criminal regime.



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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:10 PM

5. It is a criminal enterprise.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 02:52 PM

6. I agree and have thought the same since day one

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We have decisions to make. And I don't think they are pleasant. We can either bend the knee and submit, or we can stand shoulder to shoulder and do what must be done.

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Response to The Liberal Lion (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 03:13 PM

7. THIS veteran

is ready to stand arm in arm on any barricades we can get up. Tired of this shit and its getting worse day by day.

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Response to The Liberal Lion (Reply #6)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 03:15 PM

8. What exactly must be done?

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Response to triron (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 03:36 PM

10. Mass resistance protest. General strike. Something: what we're doing now is standing y watching

Them destroy us.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #10)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 04:57 PM

12. I've been a big advocate of crippling the economy

as the only peaceful and therefore true means of ending this nightmare. General strike is one part of the strategy, a complete stoppage of usage of consumer credit is another. I'm personally not one to shy away from violence, but I know for many this is a bridge too far and in fact I don't believe it would be effective for achieving the goal sought. It has it's place, but there are better methods available to us at this point that doesn't involve that. Disruption of the economy on our terms instead of theirs could be exactly the solution we need. True, that choice would bring hardship, but as it stands we are heading down a road whose terminus is intolerable.

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Response to The Liberal Lion (Reply #12)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:32 PM

15. I'm all in if there is a concerted effort. A few here and there only will harm those participating.

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Response to The Liberal Lion (Reply #12)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 05:36 PM

32. My thought has always been focused boycotts.

Maybe we can't go without buying certain items, if you need a car you need it, if you need food, etc.
The idea is that we pick a corporation and relentlessly run them into the ground and then someone will take notice. If we organize we can pick them off one by one.

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Response to rwsanders (Reply #32)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 05:37 PM

33. I like your idea

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Response to triron (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 03:47 PM

11. Join local Indivisible or Swing Left

Wear Dem t shirts in public.
Or Dem bumper stickers.
Public shows of your opinion matter.

Donate to a local Dem.
Go canvass.
Register voters.
Tell proprietors with Fox on to drop Fox immediately.

Join ACLU. Indivisible. Listen to Pod Save America.

Call your Senators and Rep each week.

Lots of stuff to do.

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Response to triron (Reply #8)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 05:02 PM

13. What must be done is toppling this regime.

If that is for you voting, working on the campaign trail, and anything dealing with getting a Democrat into the White House AND clearing these Nazis out of our government then that is the how you shall help. I think when the time comes for you to act you will do so and you will do it for the greater good.

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Response to The Liberal Lion (Reply #13)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:32 PM

16. Did that work in Nazi Germany?

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Response to triron (Reply #16)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 03:13 PM

26. this is not pre-Nazi Germany

We still have journalists and we can still talk across this country. The oligarchs do not yet control all communications.

Break the bubble of disinformation -- enlighten somebody.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 03:28 PM

9. It's a criminal enterprise, and a bad one at that.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:15 PM

14. Actually there is one major difference (that I suspect is true)

The military probably doesnít support the POS POTUS, unlike Germany 1933-1945.

The Germany military was pretty white, unlike the US military that reflects America.

Dumb ass probably hasnít considered that.

And if he thinks the White Nationalist will take arms to take over the country to keep his ass in power, then I suggest that those that want to make money, invest in body bags - because the White Nationalist will cease to exist as a quasi-stupid militant force.

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Response to Dan (Reply #14)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:34 PM

17. Hoeful thinking but too many 'loyalists'.

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Response to triron (Reply #17)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:44 PM

18. Nope, not so

Now the administrative branches might have a lot of Trumpies (but I doubt it because he has really shit on the military leadership), but the combat arms branches, a large percentage are POC.

And definitely lots of African Americans and Hispanic Americans - not even counting POC from the Islands, and I strongly and bigly suspect that there is no love loss for the POS in the White House.

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Response to Dan (Reply #18)

Sun Aug 11, 2019, 11:40 PM

19. POC?

I fail to see how high ranking officers likely to entertain what you seem to suggest. A military coup?

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Response to triron (Reply #19)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 02:36 AM

20. No, not a coup

I just donít think that the military would entertain a situation such as the German army did with Hitler via 1933 - 1945.

The German military was on board with Hitler due to the issues associated with WWI and the treaty post WWI.

Here in America today, I just donít see the military establishment (the corporation) as committed to our current POS. My post was stating that even if some of the military establishment wanted to support some type of crazy issue that Trump might want (to maintain power etc.,), there are just too many soldiers that wouldnít buy into that agenda.

I mean think about it, Trumpís hate against POC - etc., and then to suggest that he could turn that military into a weapon against the population of the U.S. to keep control, that day wonít happen.

When Gerald Ford was president back in 1975, (as an example) there was discussions about the U.S. military going into parts of Africa to fight. The reason was that Cuba had sent doctors and soldiers there to assist some of the countries (it was a long time ago). Anyway, the discussion was that the U.S. would send troops to fight the Cubans and the African nations that they were supporting. I remember that the African American soldiers (not all to be sure) said that if we were going to fight in Africa, then we might as well start fighting here on the U.S. bases, cause that shit wasnít going to happen.

So, Gerald Ford hadnít said such negative hateful things toward the minorities as Trump as done, so if we werenít going to do stupid shit for Ford, why would young (minority) soldiers today direct actions against minorities here in the U.S.?

Having said that, to stay in power and avoid being held accountable for his actions, I wouldnít put anything beyond Trump, to include trying to incite some type of civil war.

Now, a military coup - well, I think if it was proven that Trump is working with the Russian (Putin) to undermine the U.S., then the military by definition is required to defend the nation/Constitution not the president.

Does that sort of explain what I was trying to say?

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Response to Dan (Reply #20)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:21 AM

22. But what does acronym POC refer to?

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Response to triron (Reply #22)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 01:02 PM

23. People of color

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Response to Dan (Reply #14)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 05:42 PM

34. Can't speak to the other branches, but after 20 in the USCG...

the prevailing attitude is to follow the prevailing winds. Like other discussions have said, not many of us can lose jobs or can afford (in the military) to combat a dishonorable discharge.
The flag officers are always on the look out for their retirement job in defense industries or high level appointments to other agencies. The ones that are staying are eying appropriations.
Heck the USCG is allowing cutters to be used as mini-Guantanamo's. There is no education that I am aware of for the rank and file that covers constitutional issues.
Bottom line, don't expect a spine from the military.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:09 AM

21. Yep, you nailed it...

However, to repair this debacle requires two things that I just feel the majority of Americans will not do in the way that will be required to fix things. One, sacrifice... real sacrifice. And two, effort. I mean real effort, not just sitting and complaining at a computer. (Irony and hypocisry accepted). To fix this is to ask the population to go without luxury items, to possibly start growing your own food in defiance of HOA and local ordinance bullshiat, etc. As long as the majority still buys extraneous crap and defiantly exclaims that they 'neeeeeed it', as long as the majority of people accept anything that the establishment or social media tells them without question, and as long as I keep hearing people say, "Well, that's just how it is these days.", I can tell you nothing is going to change. To change things is to cast aspersions on the very heart of US existence. Namely, capitalism. Good luck even addressing that. You will be branded a 'communist' and have to move to protect your family. Just for suggesting that capitalism is at the heart of the problem. But, it is THE problem as far as I am concerned, and it is the reason our government and our society are now in shambles and little more than a feudal empire...

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Response to OldBaldy1701E (Reply #21)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 02:43 PM

24. No question that dump and republicans are all about money.

America is of by and for the capitalist.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 03:19 PM

27. They took office by criminal measures.

They should ALL be put on trial for treason.

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Response to BigDemVoter (Reply #27)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 03:24 PM

28. SO MUCH THAT.

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Response to BigDemVoter (Reply #27)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 11:35 AM

37. The media is mass complicit in this treason. So is most of congress.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Mon Aug 12, 2019, 11:16 PM

29. I use "regime" and

"maladministration", and "dysadministration" routinely.

When I'm being polite.

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 09:01 AM

30. I don't know what else to do, do you?

If you do, I wish you'd tell the rest of us because we'd be glad to do it. I get sick of being criticized because we're not doing enough. We will do what we can! Just a little leadership would help instead of criticism!

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Reply #30)

Tue Aug 13, 2019, 10:04 AM

31. A good demonstration of what we coukd be doing is Puerto Rico.

Children are dying in cages, black and brown bodies are being hunted on the streets of America. The government is owned by the capitalist. Itís getting more dire by the moment.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #31)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 07:46 AM

35. Apart from writing, calling, protesting, sending money...

...what are you suggesting that "we", meaning people like you and me who go to work every day to take care of our families, WHAT SPECIFICALLY are the suggestions of what we should do. There are so many just like us waiting for an answer! Waiting for leadership on this very issue! It does little good to tell us we are like the Germans who allowed this to happen to their nation. We don't want this to happen, we don't want to lose Democracy, but apart from what we are doing, does anyone have a plan of specific action they would like to share instead of criticizing those of us who actually DO care?

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Response to Trueblue Texan (Reply #35)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 10:31 AM

36. I'm not saying we're like the Germans, history is.

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Iím sorry that you seem to have taken offense to my opinion. I stand by my words. I include myself.

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Response to onecaliberal (Reply #36)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 11:37 AM

38. Me too.

Gives a little empathy for the Germans doesn't it?

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Response to onecaliberal (Original post)

Wed Aug 14, 2019, 02:18 PM

39. knr

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