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Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:40 PM

Michael Moore, I thought you were smarter than this.

Saw his tweet about how bad the Mueller hearing went.

Doesnt he know how impressionable people are and the ones who did NOT see the hearings will read what he said and then think there is no there there?

Jesus man, I thought you were smart?

Not going to link his comments, they only hurt democracy, freedom and the human race.

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Reply Michael Moore, I thought you were smarter than this. (Original post)
Eliot Rosewater Jul 2019 OP
marble falls Jul 2019 #1
Ninga Jul 2019 #2
Caliman73 Jul 2019 #3
Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #4
murielm99 Jul 2019 #7
Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #9
JI7 Jul 2019 #13
Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #15
JI7 Jul 2019 #17
Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #22
JI7 Jul 2019 #23
Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #25
JI7 Jul 2019 #26
Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #27
JI7 Jul 2019 #28
Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #31
JI7 Jul 2019 #32
Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #35
dalton99a Jul 2019 #33
dalton99a Jul 2019 #34
Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #36
JI7 Jul 2019 #37
Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #41
JI7 Jul 2019 #42
Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #43
JI7 Jul 2019 #44
Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #47
JI7 Jul 2019 #48
Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #49
JI7 Jul 2019 #50
Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #51
W_HAMILTON Jul 2019 #5
quickesst Jul 2019 #6
JI7 Jul 2019 #8
dalton99a Jul 2019 #14
JI7 Jul 2019 #19
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dalton99a Jul 2019 #10
JI7 Jul 2019 #11
peggysue2 Jul 2019 #12
JI7 Jul 2019 #16
mcar Jul 2019 #18
JI7 Jul 2019 #20
mcar Jul 2019 #21
dalton99a Jul 2019 #29
Downtown Hound Jul 2019 #39
dalton99a Jul 2019 #24
Gothmog Jul 2019 #30
silentEcho Jul 2019 #40
JonLP24 Jul 2019 #45
silentEcho Jul 2019 #54
JonLP24 Jul 2019 #55
silentEcho Jul 2019 #56
JonLP24 Jul 2019 #57
silentEcho Jul 2019 #59
dalton99a Jul 2019 #46
Gothmog Jul 2019 #62
Gothmog Jul 2019 #63
silentEcho Jul 2019 #38
MacDombles Jul 2019 #52
Eliot Rosewater Jul 2019 #61
Blue_Tires Jul 2019 #53
Wounded Bear Jul 2019 #58
Stinky The Clown Jul 2019 #60

Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:43 PM

1. +1000%

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:46 PM

2. It's bad enough we have to prevail in the face of GOP hate. Moore is in his own way, as self serving

as 45.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:47 PM

3. Celebrities sometimes begin to enjoy the sound of their voice more than the message.

I understand the frustration at the appearance of the party not doing enough, but I agree. His criticisms can be stated in a way that are informative, but not divisive and demoralizing.

He has become rather pompous.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:51 PM

4. Moore was relevant 10-20 years ago

No longer.

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:52 PM

7. You said it better than I could.

I used to like him. Not any more!

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Response to murielm99 (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:56 PM

9. Michael Moore did a lot during the Bush years to both educate

me and help me say sane. But his act has gotten old and stale, and these days he's more of an annoyance and a constant downer.

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:59 PM

13. Moore wanted Bush to be president that's why he told people to

support Nader.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:02 PM

15. Not really.

What he actually said was vote for Nader if you're in a safe state, and vote for Gore if you're in a swing state.

But even that statement and that kind of thinking does enormous damage. Especially since Gore has turned out to be way better than Nader is or ever has been on most issues. Nader is a fraud. Gore is the real deal.

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #15)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:04 PM

17. it's a bunch of bs so he can still claim to be the left while doing all he can

to get Bush as president which he wanted.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #17)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:12 PM

22. I don't think he really wanted Bush elected

I get it, you have issues with Moore. Fair enough. He's earned some criticism. But to suggest he wanted Bush elected is total hyperbole.

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #22)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:15 PM

23. he says the only thing Obama will be known for is that he is black

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Response to JI7 (Reply #23)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:18 PM

25. As said before, Moore has earned some criticism. And I have my share or it for him

that doesn't mean he wants Republicans to get elected. Reactionary statements like that help nothing.

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #25)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:21 PM

26. of course he does. he was with Assange on the day of the trump tower meeting

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Response to JI7 (Reply #26)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:22 PM

27. Which proves nothing except that he's an idiot. n/t

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #27)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:23 PM

28. it's a consistent pattern of him doing all he can to help republicans

while still trying to claim to be from the left.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #28)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:25 PM

31. If you look at Moore's body of work over the course of his life

He most definitely does not do everything he can to help Republicans get elected. Like I said, Moore can be an idiot at times in the same way that much of the far left can be, but he's no Republican.

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #31)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:26 PM

32. lol, it's so fucking obvious what he is with his hatred of Obama

and embracing a rapist like assange. fuck Michael Moore.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #32)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:28 PM

35. I can understand your issues with him

But your caricature of him is overly simplistic and hyperbolic.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #28)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:28 PM

34. +1. He actually actively campaigned against Democrats in every election

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #34)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:29 PM

36. Not even remotely true.

he was actively campaigning for John Kerry in 2004 and going around to college campuses organizing them to vote.

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #34)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:30 PM

37. the timing if his anti Obama comments were right before the 2014 elections

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Response to JI7 (Reply #37)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:33 PM

41. Proving nothing except that like many on the far left

he misdirects his issues with the Democratic Party at the wrong time and in the wrong place. He's far from alone in that.

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #41)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:36 PM

42. most of them are frauds that want republicans to win

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Response to JI7 (Reply #42)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:36 PM

43. Overly simplistic drivel. n/t

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #43)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:37 PM

44. nope, consistent pattern of doing what they can to help republicans

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Response to JI7 (Reply #44)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:42 PM

47. Not a consistent pattern at all

I've watched Moore for many years. He even came to my college once and gave a speech that I attended. To suggest that he does nothing but try and help Republicans get elected is to cherry pick facts and data and ignore the bigger picture. Moore has been an outspoken critic of the GOP for ever and, contrary to your assessment, has often worked to defeat them and their policies at the polls.

Where he screws up is being an overly puritanical leftist who takes out his frustrations with Democrats in inappropriate and counterproductive ways.

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #47)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:45 PM

48. how is hanging out with the Rapist Assange a leftist thing ?

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Response to JI7 (Reply #48)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:49 PM

49. Lots of leftists were initially taken in by Assange

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Lots of leftists were initially taken in by Hugo Chavez as well. Many of them were here on this board. This site used to have a whole cadre of Chavez defenders. They're pretty much silent now since he left Venezuela in ruins. It's called being wrong. It happens to everybody sometimes. It doesn't mean that you are wrong on everything or always working to get Republicans elected.

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Response to Downtown Hound (Reply #49)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:51 PM

50. this was in June 2016

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Response to JI7 (Reply #50)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:55 PM

51. Which changes nothing. n/t

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:52 PM

5. You thought he was smarter than that?

Michael Moore was yucking it up with Julian Assange in the summer of 2016 as Assange and Wikileaks were coordinating with the Trump campaign to release hacked emails from Democrats.

I'm glad his terrible tweet about Mueller has helped to open people's eyes about the guy.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:52 PM

6. Michael Moore....

Is a useless lump of flesh wallowing in his own self-righteously inflated ego. Much like another so-called liberal pundit who was kicked off of air America for completely justifiable reasons. Both are useless.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:55 PM

8. why would you think that ? he is the same person that told people to vote Nader so Bush

can be president.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #8)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:00 PM

14. "A vote for Gore is a vote for Bush.'' - Michael Moore

THE 2000 CAMPAIGN: THE GREEN PARTY; In Nader Supporters' Math, Gore Equals Bush
By DAVID W. CHEN
OCT. 15, 2000

From the standing-room-only logjam near the stage to the nosebleed seats near the championship banners of the Knicks and Rangers, about 15,000 people of all ages, hair colors and political backgrounds filled Madison Square Garden on Friday night for the biggest rally yet supporting Ralph Nader's presidential bid. ...

Michael Moore, the filmmaker, lambasted the front-runners. ''A vote for Gore is a vote for Bush,'' he said. ''If they both believe in the same thing, wouldn't you want the original than the copy? Wouldn't you want Bush? Sirloin or hamburger? Which would you go for?''


https://www.nytimes.com/2000/10/15/us/the-2000-campaign-the-green-party-in-nader-supporters-math-gore-equals-bush.html

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #14)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:06 PM

19. yup, same shit as ever. and he has never spoken as ugly as trump as he did Mueller

his so called anti trump comments are full of attacks on Democrats.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:56 PM

10. .

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:57 PM

11. this is who Michael Moore was with on the day of that Trump Tower meeting on "adoption'

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 12:57 PM

12. So, Moore has become another optics guy

Take in only what you saw, don't think about what you heard. Because what we heard was all negative for the Trumpster and his Republican enablers.

Time to look in the mirror, Mr. Moore.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:03 PM

16. Michael Moore doesn't pay contractors

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:05 PM

18. He is a disappointment

He Assange and Greenwald, and now seems to hate Democrats.

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Response to mcar (Reply #18)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:10 PM

20. and when he went his"i told you so, Hillary would lose" tour after the election

where he just looked really happy, he never mentioned the Russian attack on the election.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #20)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:11 PM

21. Or his support of Stein.

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Response to mcar (Reply #21)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:24 PM

29. +1. Michael Moore has never said one bad thing about Putin or Russian interference.

It's very telling

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #29)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:31 PM

39. Which is a very legitimate criticism of him that I completely agree with.

Stick to points like that instead of hyperbolic crap.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:18 PM

24. Michael Moore says the middle class needs to vote for Donald Trump


Speech given by Michael Moore on October 24, 2016 in Ohio

Transcript of speech given by Michael Moore on October 24, 2016 in Ohio

I know a lot of people in Michigan who are planning to vote for Trump. And they don’t necessarily like him that much, and they don’t necessarily agree with him.

They’re not racist and rednecks. They’re actually pretty decent people. And so I wanted to, after talking to a number of them, I wanted to write this.

Donald Trump came to the Detroit Economic Club and stood there in front of the Ford Motor executives and said, if you close these factories as you’re planning to do in Detroit and build them in Mexico, I’m going to put a 35-percent tariff on those cars when you send them back, and nobody’s going to buy them.

It was an amazing thing to see. No politician, Republican or Democrat, had ever said anything like that to these executives, and it was music to the ears of people in Michigan and Ohio and Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, the “Brexit states”.

You live here in Ohio. You know what I’m talking about. Whether Trump means it or not is kind of irrelevant because he’s saying the things to people who are hurting.

And that’s why every beaten-down nameless forgotten working stiff who used to be part of what was called the middle class loves Trump. He is the human Molotov cocktail that they’ve been waiting for, the human hand grenade that they can legally throw into the system that stole their lives from them.

And on November eight, election day, although they lost their jobs, although they’ve been foreclosed on by the bank, next came the divorce, and now the wife and kids are gone, the cars been reposed, they haven’t had a real vacation in years, they’re stuck with the shitty Obamacare Bronze Plan when you can’t even get a fucking percocet, they’ve essentially lost everything they have except one thing, the one thing that doesn’t cost them a cent and is guaranteed to them by the American Constitution: the right to vote.

They might be penniless. They might be homeless. They might be fucked over and fucked up. It doesn’t matter because it’s equalized on that day. A millionaire has the same number of votes as the person without a job: one. And there’s more of the former middle class than there are in the millionaire class.

So on November eight, the dispossessed will walk into the voting booth, be handed a ballot, close the curtain, and take that lever or felt pen or touch screen, and put a big fucking X in the box by the name of the man who has threatened to upend and overturn the very system that has ruined their lives: Donald J Trump.

They see that the elites who ruined their lives hate Trump. Corporate America hates Trump. Wall Street hates Trump. The career politicians hate Trump. The media hates Trump, after they loved him and created him and now hate him. Thank you, media.

The enemy of my enemy is who I’m voting for on November eight.

Yes, on November eight, you, Joe Blow, Steve Blow, Bob Blow, Billy Blow, Billy-Bob Blow, all the Blows get to blow up the whole goddamn system because it’s your right.

The Trump election is going to be the biggest fuck you ever recorded in human history.

And it will feel good.

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:24 PM

30. I stopped paying attention to Moore a long time ago

The man helped elect bush and defeat Al Gore. I have no use for this person

I was amused to see that his last film bombed at the box office. It seems that I am not only one who have no use for this person

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #30)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:33 PM

40. I was so excited to see Fahrenheit 911 and so very disappointed.

 

He left out the really important factual information at a time the people wanted to be educated and had more an entertainment fluff piece. The only Moore movie I have seen. Really a poor, unhelpful job.

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Response to silentEcho (Reply #40)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:41 PM

45. Farenheit 9/11 discussed facts you rarely saw anywhere

It discussed Bush Saudi ties and their involvement in 9/11. You didn't see much of that at the time especially when Fox News & Bush were trying to blame it on Iraq.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #45)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 02:12 PM

54. No it did not. I expected new info. That was the hype. Anyone following even a little, already knew

 

Everything in the movie, nothing new. Too much was downplayed or off point for entertainment. We could clearly see it was a fluff piece drama'ed in hype.

I wanted it to be something. But it was not. The only time in my adult life I put effort going to a movie theater, at night. I haven't done it since. Not my thing. All the effort and phhf. Not much of anything of sustenance.

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Response to silentEcho (Reply #54)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 02:17 PM

55. Only those paying close attention knew all those facts

The 24/7 news never mentioned it at the time. Even today there's never been much mention of it. The 9/11 families' lawsuit is rarely covered.

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #55)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 02:39 PM

56. 9/11, starting two wars, election theft. The people that were not paying attention are the ones

 

today that elected Trump and allow a disruption by Sanders.

You might want to think about that.

They didn't pay attention then (Nader and Sarandon) and they are not paying attention now. Too busy manufacturing there own illusion and it seems the top of that list is the discrimination of white men. I am really starting to see it all boil down to that. I got to tell you, Moore is one of our own, that has been voicing white male in his way, all of his career. A little bit of misogyny in his self righteous spiel.

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Response to silentEcho (Reply #56)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 02:49 PM

57. I voted for Sanders and would do so again

One major reason is his position on Saudi Arabia. He ran dropped out & endorsed the candidate. I voted for Hillary Clinton but since I live in Arizona my vote didnt count (all the electoral votes went to Trump).

I'm not sure I understand the last paragraph. I don't believe there is discrimination against white men. I only watch his films and don't keep up with what he says day to day. I still respect Surandon & Moore for their opposition to Iraq war and the abuse they faced for it. It is sad to see them disliked as much as they are by the left but myself I voted for Hillary Clinton (I'm pretty sure so did Michael Moore).

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Response to JonLP24 (Reply #57)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 03:04 PM

59. Of course.

 

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #30)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:41 PM

46. He is a Trump enabler, peddling economic anxiety bullshit

He'll do it again next year.


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Response to dalton99a (Reply #46)

Sat Jul 27, 2019, 10:20 AM

62. Hopefully no one will pay attention to Moore

His films are bombing

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #46)

Mon Jul 29, 2019, 01:32 PM

63. moore showed no remorse for helping to elect Bush over Al Gore

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 01:31 PM

38. I have not thought Moore smarter than anything since at least 2006'ish.

 

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 02:06 PM

52. He is either...

 

1. Incorrect and looking for attention

or


2. Correct and the hearings didn't go as most hoped.


Every single person who watched those hearings will come out with their own opinion based either on what actually happened, or what THEY wanted to see happen based on what they already believe. Just like reading the report. Since his opinion doesn't seem to appear to have the markings of someone who just follows the crowd, I will assume he is just being honest and his normal followers don't want to hear it. If a person actually read the report, then nothing in the hearing should have surprised them. No bombshells or new info came out. I wasn't swayed either way on the info in the report based on the hearing and I believe MM just said the same thing, only in a MM way. It may have been just simply an event that was a little over hyped and he saw it from the beginning, and wanted to post an "I told you so" to the world.

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Response to MacDombles (Reply #52)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 03:50 PM

61. Sounds like rightwing talking points to me

your post, that is

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 02:11 PM

53. He started going off the deep end in Obama's second term

and has been sinking deeper ever since...

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 02:50 PM

58. I think MM has exceeded his shelflife...

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Response to Eliot Rosewater (Original post)

Fri Jul 26, 2019, 03:13 PM

60. It was just before the New Year I had a post locked for slamming Moore.

Now, seven months hence and he is seen for what he has become - unhelpful.

As someone said upthread, he was relevant 20 years ago.

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