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Wed Jul 24, 2019, 02:26 AM

How DOES Chump win?

https://www.270towin.com/maps/ljwV2
The states we have to worry about are pretty clustered and demographically similar WI PA MI pretty much get us there..

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Reply How DOES Chump win? (Original post)
SoCalDem Jul 2019 OP
ProudMNDemocrat Jul 2019 #1
Bettie Jul 2019 #9
Mike Nelson Jul 2019 #2
OnDoutside Jul 2019 #3
shraby Jul 2019 #4
Baltimike Jul 2019 #5
beachbum bob Jul 2019 #6
brooklynite Jul 2019 #7
edhopper Jul 2019 #8
GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #10
brooklynite Jul 2019 #11
edhopper Jul 2019 #13
GulfCoast66 Jul 2019 #14
edhopper Jul 2019 #15
brooklynite Jul 2019 #16
edhopper Jul 2019 #17
Turin_C3PO Jul 2019 #18
brooklynite Jul 2019 #19
pwb Jul 2019 #12
Claritie Pixie Jul 2019 #20
Autumn Jul 2019 #21

Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 02:49 AM

1. The upcoming election boils down to Moral vs. Immoral

While issues are important and voters should be educated enough about them, the question is...What kind of country do we want for the next generations to live in?

One where Overt racism, lawlessness, concentrated wealth among the few, disregard for the rule of law and the US Constitution, suspension of Constitutional rights, Civil Rights, etc? A country where principles and values no longer mean anything?

I am reminded of the segments on the MSNBC shows that featured Tim Wise, a pundit instrumental in making sure KKK Grand Wizard David Duke never held any political office. Wise says that Democrats have to stop being members of the Debate Team and become the Cheerleading Squad in standing up for Principles and Values that make this country the beacon on the Hill to the rest of the world. Wise says that we should indeed care about the issues, but care even more for the soul of this country and the direction it is currently going in. Make it personal and Democrats win.

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Response to ProudMNDemocrat (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:38 AM

9. Democrats NEED to listen to Tim Wise

They need to make sure that even the lowest information voter, the most unaware of politics become hyper aware of who and what this guy and his party are.

They need to be hit in the face every day with the simple fact that The Republican Party and it's current leader are, in fact, white supremacists (and that is putting it in the kindest, mildest terms possible).

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 03:19 AM

2. By cheating...

Ö just like GWB.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 03:29 AM

3. As an IRA Army Council member said to a British Government Minister, when discussing a thwarted

bombing attempt,

"You have to be lucky every time, we only have to be lucky once"

And that's how I view the whole Trump/Barr/GOP blocking of the truth. Trump has been lucky so far, but he needs to be lucky every time.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 04:46 AM

4. Russia, China for two reasons.

They will get him over the top in states that carry enough electoral votes.
His motto is:

One way or another
I'm gonna gitcha gitcha gitcha one way or another.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 05:26 AM

5. Russia will rig it again. nt

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 05:52 AM

6. trump wins when smart voters do not support our candiadates, he won in 2016

 

that way and has NO chance to win in 2020 if we all get off our asses and vote and not play the ideological purity games that cost democrats and america bigtime in 2000 and 2016

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 06:04 AM

7. How does Trump win?

1. Democrats don't focus on issues that voters in WI, MI, PA care about.

2. Democrats DO focus on Trump's behavior, Impeachment, etc.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:34 AM

8. WI and MI were stolen

and people who should have known better voted third Party.

FL and NC as well as some other States are also suspect.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:39 AM

10. They were not stolen. We have the data...

Too many Democratic voters sat on their hands and did not vote. They voted in 2018 and we won.

Blaming it on Russia or cheating when we did not get our vote out invites the same behavior in the future.

When we turn out our voters we win.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:42 AM

11. Thank you

Reality is refreshing.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 10:04 AM

13. All that voter suppression doesn't bother you

how nice.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 10:06 AM

14. Funny you can tell my feelings on something I never brought up.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 10:08 AM

15. I did

how do you think they stole WI and MI and FL and NC and GA last year?

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Response to edhopper (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 10:09 AM

16. It bothers me...

...but I don't see it as resulting in "stealing" the election. We've won elections before when Republicans attempted to suppress voting. We lost this election largely because the Clinton campaign made tactical campaign errors based on a flawed strategic assumption that voters who supported Obama could be relied upon to support Clinton. And I based that assessment on talking to battleground State Party Chairs and my own experience on the ground in Ohio.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 10:12 AM

17. If the suppression resulted in the very small margins Trump won those States by

to me that is election theft. That seems to be the case in MI and WI. (and other States as well, Ohio is always suspect)
I am tired of accepting that we have to win by 5% or 10% just to break even.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 10:20 AM

18. Tim Wise, who I consider credible,

disagrees with you. He says the Dems win by making this a referendum on Trumpís racism. That we need to paint him as a black-souled white supremacist. He also says we will never win by acting like a debating team, that we need to act more like the cheerleader squad. I wish I had the link, he makes very persuasive arguments.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #18)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 10:24 AM

19. An anti-racism activist thinks that the focal point should be racism...

He's entitled to his opinion; my opinion is informed by what actual winning candidates have told me that actual voters in competitive districts care about.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 07:51 AM

12. You want us to tell him how to win?

Pass.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 10:24 AM

20. He never wins, never has, never will.

He takes what he wants by lying, cheating and scheming, with a lot of help.

That's not winning.

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Response to SoCalDem (Original post)

Wed Jul 24, 2019, 10:24 AM

21. WI PA MI are what was known as the Blue Wall until 1992 to 2016.

Our candidates will focus on voters in WI, MI, PA. I doubt he will get them again. Unless he has "help"

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