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Tue Jul 23, 2019, 09:54 AM

Schumer seems to be the real force behind Frankens ouster

While Gillibrand led the charge like a good lieutenant for the senior senator from her state, Mayer's article implies that Schumer wanted him gone and didn't lift a finger to save him. And in fact actively worked against him.

It makes sense that Gillibrand couldn't have gotten rid of Al if Schumer had his back.

Not impressed with either of them for removing one of our best fighters against lies and the GOP.

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Reply Schumer seems to be the real force behind Frankens ouster (Original post)
ProfessorPlum Jul 23 OP
Autumn Jul 23 #1
ProfessorPlum Jul 23 #4
dalton99a Jul 23 #2
Polly Hennessey Jul 23 #3
ProfessorPlum Jul 23 #5
Demonaut Jul 23 #6
SouthernProgressive Jul 23 #7
LakeArenal Jul 23 #11
SouthernProgressive Jul 23 #12
LakeArenal Jul 23 #13
SouthernProgressive Jul 23 #14
hlthe2b Jul 23 #8
fishwax Jul 23 #15
leftstreet Jul 23 #9
LakeArenal Jul 23 #10
TheCowsCameHome Jul 23 #16
LakeArenal Jul 23 #17
GeorgeGist Jul 23 #18

Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 09:57 AM

1. She has taken all the flack as being the one who led the charge and he was the force behind it?

Link, please?

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 09:57 AM

2. Summary execution without trial



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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 10:06 AM

3. She most likely convinced

him to go forward. In order to push her agenda she needed the ok of the Democratic Senate leader. I doubt he came up with the idea on his own. Most satisfying to me is she has diminished her power with her colleagues.

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Response to Polly Hennessey (Reply #3)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 10:19 AM

5. no, that doesn't read right

Most likely he convinced her to take the heat for his decision. Which she did and continues to do. It doesn't excuse it on her part, but I think he is equally to blame.

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 10:21 AM

6. link?

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 10:22 AM

7. Franken was an extremely poor fighter for himself.

 

It would have been nice if his team would have fought for him. In politics, one must be willing to show that they are willing to fight for themselves. Franken didn't do that.

There is plenty of blame to go around. It's over.

People seem really desperate these days to find that one person to be angry at. That one person to blame. There is a lot of blame to go around on this one.

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Response to SouthernProgressive (Reply #7)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 10:44 AM

11. It's not over. You may wish it over.

Itís not over.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #11)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 10:45 AM

12. I don't have any wishes on the topic. Not sure why that would be a measure of anything anyway.

 

Maybe that's the difference. I'm not operating on wishes.

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Response to SouthernProgressive (Reply #12)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 11:01 AM

13. Yes. We dreamers have wishes.

Proud of it.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #13)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 11:04 AM

14. I agree with you. Lots of dreaming and wishes.

 

Not sure what it or pride has to do with any of it. But good on you.

Here is another completely different take on dreamers and wishers. Didn't think we would out it as projections so quickly.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12306252

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 10:23 AM

8. She brought an incited lynch mob to Schumer. He acted upon their demands.

I don't' know how that absolves Gillibrand in any way nor implicates Schumer as being anything other than a weak leader and an all-too-happy hatchet man. More to the point she has NEVER denied this.

Neither comes out of this looking good, but here are the facts previously reported and once again in the Mayer article on Gillibrand's role:

https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2019/07/29/the-case-of-al-franken


Minutes after Politico posted the story, Senator Gillibrandís chief of staff called Frankenís to say that Gillibrand was going to demand his resignation. Franken was stung by Gillibrandís failure to call him personally. They had been friends and squash partners. In a later call, Gillibrandís chief of staff offered to have Gillibrand speak with Franken, but by that time Franken was frantically conferring with his staff and his family. Frankenís office proposed that Frankenís daughter speak with Gillibrand instead, but Gillibrand declined.

Gillibrand then went on Facebook and posted her demand that Franken resign: ďEnough is enough. The women who have come forward are brave and I believe them. While itís true that his behavior is not the same as the criminal conduct alleged against Roy Moore, or Harvey Weinstein, or President Trump, it is still unquestionably wrong, and should not be tolerated.Ē

Minutes later, at a previously scheduled press conference, Gillibrand added insult to injury: she reiterated her call for Franken to resign while also trumpeting her sponsorship of a new bill that banned mandatory arbitration of sexual-harassment claims. She didnít mention that Franken had originated the legislationóand had given it to Gillibrand to sponsor, out of concern that it might be imperilled by his scandal.



And, from the NYDAILY news article yesterday:
Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand (D-N.Y.) was the first Democratic senator to call for Frankenís head after the #MeToo allegations first surfaced against him. The allegations quickly snowballed and several female senators told Schumer they wanted action against Franken.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #8)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 11:05 AM

15. +1

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 10:23 AM

9. So...Gillibrand was actually the target?

The debacle ended her POTUS hopes

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 10:42 AM

10. Oh come on.... it doesn't matter who started it....

It matters who signed on. So, are we saying Harris, Warren , Booker and Sanders
were duped by both Schumer and Stone?
Or they followed the leader like sheep to ruin a man.

Or was it an act of political sabotage for political rival that they have sanctimoniously double down on anyt time they are questioned about it.

If the others hadnít jumped on the train, Al would be still a major factor in the Party.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #10)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 11:23 AM

16. It certainly does matter who started it.

No spark, no fire.

I'm ashamed of both of them, if this latest news is true.

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Response to TheCowsCameHome (Reply #16)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 11:24 AM

17. I don't get it. She may be the devil but minions are just as bad.

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Response to ProfessorPlum (Original post)

Tue Jul 23, 2019, 11:47 AM

18. Schumer fears competition.

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