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Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:08 PM

He is going to be impeached

E. J. is correct - the number is up to 95 now. 137 voted to table.
The drips will soon be a a burst pipe. Just wait for next week and Mueller.

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Reply He is going to be impeached (Original post)
malaise Jul 17 OP
myohmy2 Jul 17 #1
hot2na Jul 17 #38
calimary Jul 17 #43
malaise Jul 17 #70
DownriverDem Jul 18 #109
StarfishSaver Jul 17 #2
uponit7771 Jul 17 #5
Lars39 Jul 17 #3
uponit7771 Jul 17 #4
yellowdogintexas Jul 18 #89
MFM008 Jul 17 #6
OnDoutside Jul 17 #7
malaise Jul 17 #8
OnDoutside Jul 17 #16
leftieNanner Jul 17 #17
kentuck Jul 17 #24
leftieNanner Jul 17 #28
malaise Jul 17 #33
Zoonart Jul 17 #40
bdamomma Jul 18 #111
jberryhill Jul 17 #35
pazzyanne Jul 17 #71
jberryhill Jul 17 #74
yellowdogintexas Jul 18 #90
watoos Jul 17 #41
quakerboy Jul 18 #115
Jakes Progress Jul 17 #86
OnDoutside Jul 18 #94
Mr.Bill Jul 17 #27
OnDoutside Jul 18 #92
Hermit-The-Prog Jul 18 #98
quakerboy Jul 18 #116
triron Jul 18 #105
calimary Jul 17 #50
malaise Jul 17 #52
calimary Jul 17 #57
malaise Jul 17 #61
dewsgirl Jul 18 #101
calimary Jul 19 #118
Initech Jul 17 #9
uponit7771 Jul 17 #13
cate94 Jul 17 #21
Ptah Jul 17 #10
Poiuyt Jul 17 #14
Ptah Jul 17 #15
uponit7771 Jul 17 #11
Poiuyt Jul 17 #12
Penn Voter Jul 17 #18
The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 17 #31
whopis01 Jul 17 #65
pnwmom Jul 18 #93
leftieNanner Jul 17 #19
malaise Jul 17 #23
leftieNanner Jul 17 #32
bucolic_frolic Jul 17 #20
Jakes Progress Jul 17 #22
FakeNoose Jul 17 #25
malaise Jul 17 #29
BlancheSplanchnik Jul 17 #66
spanone Jul 17 #26
MadDAsHell Jul 17 #30
ok_cpu Jul 17 #34
LiberalFighter Jul 17 #36
elocs Jul 17 #37
watoos Jul 17 #44
malaise Jul 17 #46
watoos Jul 17 #62
bdamomma Jul 18 #112
malaise Jul 18 #114
uponit7771 Jul 19 #120
redstateblues Jul 17 #72
uponit7771 Jul 19 #121
Kurt V. Jul 17 #39
elocs Jul 17 #54
stopdiggin Jul 18 #103
Goodheart Jul 17 #42
mrsadm Jul 17 #45
malaise Jul 17 #47
mrsadm Jul 17 #59
magicarpet Jul 18 #99
DallasNE Jul 17 #48
malaise Jul 17 #69
watoos Jul 17 #49
OliverQ Jul 17 #51
elocs Jul 17 #55
DeminPennswoods Jul 17 #53
malaise Jul 17 #67
tymorial Jul 17 #56
stopdiggin Jul 18 #104
fescuerescue Jul 19 #119
still_one Jul 17 #58
Claritie Pixie Jul 17 #60
JGug1 Jul 17 #63
redstateblues Jul 17 #73
CanonRay Jul 17 #64
Skittles Jul 17 #68
mcar Jul 17 #75
bdamomma Jul 18 #117
sandensea Jul 17 #76
malaise Jul 17 #78
sandensea Jul 17 #81
BamaRefugee Jul 17 #77
cwydro Jul 17 #79
study war no more Jul 17 #80
malaise Jul 17 #82
mahina Jul 18 #88
bullwinkle428 Jul 17 #83
CaptainTruth Jul 17 #84
DeminPennswoods Jul 17 #85
yellowdogintexas Jul 18 #91
ancianita Jul 18 #87
Mike Niendorff Jul 18 #95
malaise Jul 18 #96
stopdiggin Jul 18 #106
orangecrush Jul 18 #97
NNadir Jul 18 #100
Joe941 Jul 18 #102
Laelth Jul 18 #107
BlueJac Jul 18 #108
tiptonic Jul 18 #110
AllaN01Bear Jul 18 #113

Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:13 PM

1. bless you...

...with 192,484 post you've got to right...

...impeach...

...

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Response to myohmy2 (Reply #1)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:17 PM

38. "If it's what you say, I love it, especially later in the summer."

The Republican voters who are sticking with Trump have to know that Trump will be investigated and impeached. I doubt that he will be re-elected but if that happens, he will be continue to investigated and impeached. In fact If Trump loses he will continue to be investigated. There is no escape. If the Republicans don't understand that now, they will eventually come to understand that a vote for Trump is a vote for endless investigations and impeachment. Hopefully enough of them see the futility.

Nancy Pelosi is waging a war of attrition. She is playing the long game and her strategy is the correct one.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jul/11/donald-trump-jr-email-chain-russia-hillary-clinton

The emails show music promoter Rob Goldstone telling the future US president’s son that “the crown prosecutor of Russia” had offered “to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father”.

British-born Goldstone adds in the exchange of 3 June 2016: “This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr Trump.”

Seventeen minutes later, Trump Jr welcomes this with the reply: “If it’s what you say, I love it, especially later in the summer.”


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Response to hot2na (Reply #38)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:27 PM

43. BOOM!!!!! BOOM-BABBA-BOOM-BOOM!!!!!!!!!

And I love it, too.

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Response to hot2na (Reply #38)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 08:09 PM

70. This should be an OP

Great stuff

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Response to hot2na (Reply #38)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:06 PM

109. Agree

Nancy knows what she is doing. Those who want impeachment now do not know how it goes. Hopefully they are paying attention. They might learn something about Nancy's fantastic skills.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:15 PM

2. I think so, too

And when it happens, it will be clear that it was an organic process demanded by the American public - not something foisted on the country by the Democratic leadership.

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Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #2)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:18 PM

5. +1, for pizzagate planet it will never be deliberate but it looks like dems will have the middle of

... the spectrum on our side for impeachment and then reThugs in the senate will have to eat their votes against removal.

2020 should be interesting

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:15 PM

3. The first count I remember was 59...

I'm trying to hold my impatience. 95 is great!

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:16 PM

4. Yep, just saw that ... dems are smart to be deliberate. The other comment EJ made was probably all

... of the 137 who voted to table think he's already done impeachable crap.

Greens motion was a net positive IMHO

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:00 AM

89. Congressman Al Greene is a ball of fire!

I have heard him speak at several Texas Democratic Conventions.

He always brings the house down

He filed his first impeachment motion on the first day of the new Congress in 2017 and has continued to do so.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:19 PM

6. Agree!

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:19 PM

7. Not to correct you, but to be pedantic...

He is not going to be impeached. There aren't the votes in the Senate to impeach him.

In September/October, there may be an Impeachment Inquiry.


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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:22 PM

8. Impeachment takes place in the House

Never forget Clinton was impeached and the Senate did not vote to remove him.

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Response to malaise (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:32 PM

16. So what's the benefit to the Democratic Party when the Senate doesn't remove him ?

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:52 PM

17. Holding serious fact-filled hearings

Remember that the House has more power and more latitude in an impeachment process than they normally do. And this would get a lot of his dirty laundry out in the open.

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:01 PM

24. Do you think uncovering facts might influence some voters?

Regardless of what the Senate might say or do?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #24)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:04 PM

28. I do think so

I also like the idea of impeaching him in the House and then not referring it to the Senate for Mitch's usual treatment of ignore and deflect.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #24)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:08 PM

33. Yes

yes yes, but I am more patient than many DUers. Timing is everything - let's get all the details out there first.

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Response to malaise (Reply #33)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:19 PM

40. I agree my dear Malaise.

I have to believe. This is too monstrous to continue. This administration is the perversion of everything this country stands for.

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #40)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:37 PM

111. not administration

it's more a regime/cult

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Response to kentuck (Reply #24)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:10 PM

35. Yes


There weren’t the votes in the Senate to impeach Nixon initially either.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #35)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 08:16 PM

71. And Nixon resigned rather than go through impeachment.

tRump not so much.

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Response to pazzyanne (Reply #71)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 08:31 PM

74. He resigned because the numbers flopped on him


The point is - by the time he resigned, the votes were there.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #74)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:01 AM

90. I wish I could have been a fly on the wall when Senator Goldwater

told him what the score really was.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #24)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:22 PM

41. Yes,

 

Congress will get the grand jury testimony.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #24)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 05:49 PM

115. Probably wont change any true republican votes

But it might make enough non voters angry/aware to make a difference.

Most especially it could make a difference in the senate races. House investigates, sets out the evidence, impeaches, Republicans blindly vote party lines and back trump, Senate does the same.. And now we have solid evidence that some of these more vulnerable senators are not moderate or in line with their states

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 11:48 PM

86. Just how do you see this "fact filled hearing" taking place.

Why do you think it will provide more information that we have now? Why do you think that the grinning idiots from his rallies will listen to facts? Why do you think that anyone called to testify will do so? Who will make them do that? Every single republican with an IQ over 60 knows trump is a liar, traitor, their, rapist. Why do you think empty hearings will change what they do?

The only way to remove him from office is to own the House and Senate. If we get over our bad case of stupidity and self-centeredness, we can vote him out and kick turtle out of the Senate leadership. If not, having given trump a tool like a failed impeachment hearing will only get us 4 more years of hate and greed.

Why do so many people think they know more about politics and how the government works than Nancy Pelosi? Read this:

[div class="https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/7/16/1872094/-Pelosi-Isn-t-Calling-for-an-Impeachment-Vote-Because-Math"]

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #17)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:21 AM

94. Yes they would have more leeway, but the problem is

Republicans have already said that they will still block witnesses, and would delay them through the courts for as long as possible too. That's why I've been waiting to see how some of those early cases go, especially the Tax Returns case by Richie Neal. If they're successful, then by all means start an impeachment inquiry.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #16)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:04 PM

27. The benefit is

your grandchildren and great grandchildren will not have to learn in school that Bill Clinton was impeached and Donald Trump was not.

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Response to Mr.Bill (Reply #27)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:08 AM

92. Wow, that's a fantastic win in ensuring Trump doesn't get a second

term, that'll show him. Meanwhile it goes nowhere in the Senate and he declares victory.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #92)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 06:43 AM

98. educate the ELECTORATE

Piss on McConnell's lap-dog Senate. Impeachment takes place in the House.

There are still a great many people in this country who think we are in only slightly weird political times. They are too busy trying to pay bills to keep up with the things we here on DU actively devour.

This mess is so huge that the tv networks don't even know how to present it to their "consumers". House hearings into the criminal activities can bring the general public up to speed. Instead of the occasional buzz about racist rallies, the electorate gets ongoing fact-finding day after day after day. Months of this, with the occasional bombshell that even broadcast tv can't ignore, will have most voters informed of the scale of the threat to their very lives and livelihood.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #92)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 05:54 PM

116. You do realise

he has already declared victory, and his primary evidence of his innocence is that even with a solid majority, House Democrats won't begin the process to impeach him.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 12:52 PM

105. They are shirking their constitutional duty by not opening an inquiry.

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Response to malaise (Reply #8)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:31 PM

50. And remember, the Senate's failure to convict did NOT nullify the original impeachment.

Didn't take it away.

Didn't overturn it.

That STAYS in the history books.

So what if he didn't get convicted and removed? The impeachment still stood. And still stands to THIS VERY HOUR.

ANY history book you pick up, there will be that asterisk by Bill Clinton's name. That he was IMPEACHED. And that goes to the ages and through the ages.

THAT'S why I want donald impeached. I want that mark by his name for all of history.

For ALL time.

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Response to calimary (Reply #50)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:32 PM

52. Could not say it better

How are you doing since losing your doggie?

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Response to malaise (Reply #52)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:47 PM

57. Hi malaise...

Sort of limping along. It was last Friday, the 12th. This is the 17th now. Still getting choked up, but those moments are starting to lessen a little.

LORDY this one was hard. I've lost many a fur baby before. But this one was rather devastating.

Thank you for asking.

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Response to calimary (Reply #57)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:56 PM

61. My beloved Roots died nearly 30 years ago

I cried for a month and like you she wasn't my first dog (or cat). I know what you're going through.

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Response to calimary (Reply #57)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:12 AM

101. I am so sorry. I lost mine one month ago today, I cried

for a week. Still so very lost without her. I was ok for the most part, until I read a thread on here last night. I fell apart all over again. I too have lost many in the past. This one has been the hardest. I hope things get easier for you.

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Response to dewsgirl (Reply #101)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 05:02 PM

118. Lordy, do I get that. Today (Friday) is the one-week mark.

Last edited Fri Jul 19, 2019, 07:03 PM - Edit history (1)

DAYUM this one was hard. And I’ve lost quite a few beloved pets in my life. Loved them all. Heartbroken at every passing. But DAYUM, this one was crushing.

You have all my empathy and moral support in your own loss. Just know that you certainly don’t grieve alone. I’m right there with ya. I suspect there are loads of others here in the same boat.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:24 PM

9. No and he will gloat like a mad man at his next MAGA hate rally.

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Response to Initech (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:27 PM

13. He will gloat at his next MAGA Hate rally even if he was dragged out of the White House and punched

... the in face repeatedly by a migrant parent who's child his policy lost.

Red Don isn't sane ... he's not a logical being

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:58 PM

21. Thanks

I’m not a migrant parent but I’d love to help ... hahaha. Otoh, you are right, he isn’t sane, ugh, so I can’t punch him in the face for being nuts.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:25 PM

10. but to be pedantic - the Senate does not impeach, the House does.

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Response to Ptah (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:27 PM

14. Dammit, you beat me to the witty response.

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Response to Poiuyt (Reply #14)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:31 PM

15. Comunity pendantic club meating 2pm.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:25 PM

11. removal in the senate impeachment in the house, he can be impeached but not removed and dems don't

... even have to forward the vote for removal leaving the senate out of the process.

There are no really good reasons against impeachment other than timing when it comes to politics right now.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:26 PM

12. Just to be pedantic

He can be impeached in the House. The Senate votes to convict, which would mean removal.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:53 PM

18. The Senate does NOT impeach n/t

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:06 PM

31. He could be *impeached.* The question is whether he will be *convicted* in the senate.

Impeachment (by the House) is sort of like an indictment; conviction is by the Senate. They are not the same.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #7)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 08:02 PM

65. To correct you and to be pedantic...

The Senate does not play a role in impeachment. It is only up to the House.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:12 AM

93. Actually, impeachment is more like an indictment, and it takes place in the House.

The Senate votes up or down on a conviction.

So Bill Clinton was impeached in the House, but he stayed in office because he wasn't convicted in the Senate.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:54 PM

19. I really respect EJ

Where did you hear him say this?

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Response to leftieNanner (Reply #19)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:00 PM

23. on M$NBComcast

I too like EJ

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Response to malaise (Reply #23)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:07 PM

32. I enjoy reading his thoughtful columns in the newspaper

Although I don't know how long we will see him and Leonard Pitts locally. Our paper was purchased by a group supported by Sinclair Broadcasting.

They have already been called out loudly by some of their toxic OpEds. My town is a very blue one surrounded by a lot of red.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:57 PM

20. Allow me to translate this into Mitch for you

Impeachment = Merrick Garland

But Mitch will be front and center from there on out

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 06:58 PM

22. A little information helps. Read this please.

I want to jump up and down and celebrate the orange one in an orange suit too.

But .... math.



[link:https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2019/7/16/1872094/-Pelosi-Isn-t-Calling-for-an-Impeachment-Vote-Because-Math|

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:03 PM

25. Speaker Pelosi didn't table it - she let the vote go through to the floor

We all know ... it's only a matter of time.



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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #25)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:04 PM

29. Love your tick tock

clock

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #25)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 08:04 PM

66. Interesting backdrop

for the weird electronic psychedelic music I was listening to.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:03 PM

26. Yes. He. Is. s

and sooner than later.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:06 PM

30. Bookmarking. nt

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:08 PM

34. I believe you are correct

I think it means something that the number was 95 for something that was never expected to pass. I think that provided some cover for table votes and that the tipping point is much closer than all of the 137 votes to table.

In the meantime, republicans have been allowed to be way too comfortable. tRump is a lightning rod, attracting all of the attention, and allowing his party to fly under the radar.

Force them to go on record either supporting his hideousness or rebuking him. If they stand with him, club them with it in 2020. Or, if some cracks can be created, the dam should break quickly.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:11 PM

36. And the Mueller hearing hasn't started yet.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:13 PM

37. No, Trump will not be impeached. Heads at DU will explode then.

Impeachment will not remove Trump from office, which is all he cares about, and neither will it hold him responsible for anything.

If somebody who is indicted for a crime fails to be convicted, exactly how are they then considered to be held responsible for their accused crimes? The only thing impeachment will do is to allow Trump to crow and brag about how he was vindicated of the false charges against him. And it won't take long to get sick of that.

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Response to elocs (Reply #37)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:28 PM

44. According to one of Trump's book writers you are wrong,

 

One of Trump's authors stated that an impeachment hearing will devastate Trump.

Remember, Trump lies, so when he says he hopes to be impeached.......

A Narcissist being dragged through the mud cannot be enjoyable.

What the Senate does is not relevant. If Trump warrants to be impeached it is the duty, the obligation of the House to impeach him.

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Response to watoos (Reply #44)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:30 PM

46. Right now he is terrified of those clips with Epstein

and young women - I agree with you - the shame and disgrace of impeachment will destroy him.

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Response to malaise (Reply #46)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:56 PM

62. I fear Barr will shut down

 

The Epstein case. Barr is just as evil as Trump.

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Response to malaise (Reply #46)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:44 PM

112. I would love more women

to come forward and talk about that 1992 event.

tRump is going to meet his fate.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #112)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 03:46 PM

114. Well Epstein is meeting his

We can hope

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Response to malaise (Reply #46)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 05:34 PM

120. THIS !!!! ... is the main reason I think he'll call black folk the N-word next week and bomb Iran

... I don't think he cares about Mueller all that much.

More Epstein News, videos and pics would be bad for Red Don's campaign.

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Response to watoos (Reply #44)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 08:26 PM

72. This will be a victory for Trump once the Senate declares he's innocent.

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #72)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 05:35 PM

121. Trump will say its a victory no matter if he's dragged from the White House in an orange suit. Red

... Don is not sane

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:18 PM

39. i wish an inquiry would start. but $$ override public sentiment, so no.

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #39)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:41 PM

54. So there's overwhelming public sentiment for impeachment? Wow! n/t

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Response to elocs (Reply #54)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 12:43 PM

103. wondering when someone was going to get around to saying this

So that was -- underwhelming! But now we're going to spin it that 135 to "table" is actually a positive. But of course the old witch doesn't know what she's doing.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:23 PM

42. The writing is on the wall.

Pretty soon Pelosi will have to call for impeachment or lose her leadership.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:30 PM

45. Who is E J?

EJ Dionne?

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Response to mrsadm (Reply #45)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:30 PM

47. Yes

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Response to malaise (Reply #47)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:53 PM

59. Thank you

Sometimes I feel like an outsider to the DU club ...

I do read “EJ” often.

I was very disappointed about the impeachment no-vote today but I hope it will re-appear at a propitious time.

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Response to mrsadm (Reply #59)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 07:59 AM

99. Very helpful and friendly crowd here....

If you need clarification to help achieve better understandings do not hesitate to reach out and ask......

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:30 PM

48. Today I Heard

That when Congress returns from August recess following Labor Day the Judiciary Committee (I believe) will open an inquiry into whether to proceed with Impeachment. We shall see but it sounded like a done deal.

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Response to DallasNE (Reply #48)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 08:07 PM

69. Timing is everything

That will be great

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:31 PM

49. I hope malaise is right,

 

but I don't think that Pelosi will impeach. The House is coming upon another lengthy vacation, I'm afraid it's way too late now.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:31 PM

51. I disagree.

I just don't think there will be enough and of course the Senate will immediately put a stop to it.

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Response to OliverQ (Reply #51)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:45 PM

55. But this is the DU alternate universe where if you really, really want something to happen,

it will. They really should start hoping that Trump will get sucked into a parallel dimension because that would really solve the problem. Then hello President Pence! Happy days will be here again.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:39 PM

53. I think so, too

Tomorrow the Michael Cohen search warrants and other government filings are going to be released to the public. Barr tried to get some redactions, but the judge said no and he will release all documents unredacted. There will be a lot of new information out there showing how Individual 1 was involved in paying hush money while holding the office of president.

Next week Mueller will testify. That will be wall-to-wall coverage not even the Trumpers can avoid seeing.

After those two events, I believe Dems will overwhelmingly support opening an impeachment inquiry as the best way to get all the information out in public. Dems don't even have to vote on impeachment, but they do need to have attention focused on one committee, the Judiciary, not divided among 6 or 7 different ones. Nadler can call members or staff from those committees as expert witnesses if needed.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #53)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 08:06 PM

67. My thinking too and son't forget Epstein as well

Drip drip and an eventual busted pipe exposing even more.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:47 PM

56. Even if it's straight party line support

I don't believe Pelosi is going to allow it. We could get Democrats to vote for impeachment today. They may not publicly support it but it's a vote was taken they would vote to impeach. She is never going to support impeachment unless the Senate is on board and they are never going to be on board and therefore we will never see impeachment. Pelosi is looking at this entirely from a political point of view rather than an duty and obligation.

She is hoping that these hearings and inquiries sway public opinion to force Republicans. That is the only plan. It's not secret. It's not Grand. It's not 7th dimensional chassis other people have stated. Quite frankly it's obvious and it's the only way she will ever allow impeachment to take place

These hearings will never change public opinion. The only thing that may change their opinion is if we fall into a recession and the economy goes in the tank. People need to lose their jobs and houses and their retirement in order for them to wake up and pay attention.

I'm sorry if this isn't what some people want to hear but I truly believe it's the reality. We could have a million hearings and Mueller testify. The media is not going to give it a fair shake and the public is not going to be tickled enough to wake up and pay attention.

If at this point you have not formed an opinion on impeachment then you never will unless something shakes you out of your stupor... that something is always money

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Response to tymorial (Reply #56)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 12:50 PM

104. they did vote today. (NT)

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Response to tymorial (Reply #56)

Fri Jul 19, 2019, 05:30 PM

119. The notion of changing peoples minds

is really a myth. How many people in your lifetime have you seen flip their views due to a single candidate/politician? It's really pretty rare. And those that do, they generally only do it once.

As for the hearings. Well it's not 1972 anymore with 3 channels and all 3 channels holding Watergate hearings. The only people that will watch the hearings are those who have already read the Mueller report and followed along already.

The notion that a mass of political naive people will switch away from Netflix to watch CSPAN and suddenly learn that Trump is compromised is just silly. Those that know already know. Those that don't will never know.

What matters is getting people out to vote - our people.

Nancy Pelosi is weighing - will a failed impeachment get more Dems out to vote, or get more Republicans out to vote? Reasonable people can argue over that, but it's clear that Pelosi has already decided this for herself.





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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:50 PM

58. Songs n spite of what some have been proclaiming, we haven't had the votes to impeach in the House

yet?

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:54 PM

60. Hell yeah he is! We can't crack til we get there.

Fortitude, people!

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:58 PM

63. He Is Going To Be Impeached

Perhaps, but not today. Let's see what Mueller has to say. My wife has been reading the report (which the man who is writing the book about it says doesn't need to be read by us all). She is plodding through it and tells me that it contains more than enough to remove the orange monster from office (my words, not hers).
I think I'll go over and see what he odds of him completing his term are. In a perfect world, he is impeached and removed from office...oh, say, about November 1, 2020. Would't that be something?

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Response to JGug1 (Reply #63)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 08:28 PM

73. Impeachment does not remove him from office. The Senate will declare him innocent.

It will be a victory for Trump

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 08:02 PM

64. It should happen

but I don't believe it will. Pelosi is slow-walking everything, and impeachment would probably take two years.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 08:07 PM

68. "The United States can always be relied upon to do the right thing.....

..... having first exhausted all possible alternatives.”

Winston Churchill

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 08:32 PM

75. Things are breaking

This is a slow process.

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Response to mcar (Reply #75)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 06:07 PM

117. not to be doom and gloom

empires do fall, is this our time, or will we RISE??

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 08:36 PM

76. This is almost exactly what happened in '73.

When Father Robert Drinan (at the time, a Massachusetts Congressman) introduced the first impeachment resolution, he got I believe around 20 votes.

A year later, Tricky Dick was gone.

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Response to sandensea (Reply #76)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 08:45 PM

78. See that is why history matters

It's a lengthy process - you have to cover the bases and wake people up

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Response to malaise (Reply #78)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 08:55 PM

81. +1

Everything takes time, if you wanna do it right.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 08:41 PM

77. And I say IMPEACH, IMPEACH,IMPEACH over and over again, on different grounds each time. I've never

seen, heard, or read that there is a limit to impeachable offenses.
Just do it endlessly, throw the game back in the Rethuglican's face, they ALWAYS just play to grind down resistance.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 08:49 PM

79. I doubt it.

Very much.

Bookmarked.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 08:52 PM

80. I wish

I wish, but I will believe it when I see it.

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Response to study war no more (Reply #80)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 09:11 PM

82. What a fabulous user name

Welcome to DU

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Response to study war no more (Reply #80)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 12:53 AM

88. Welcome to DU!

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 09:14 PM

83. Nancy said that impeachment is exactly what he wants; therefore, she will not

set those wheels in motion.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 09:18 PM

84. I agree. And from what I've seen, the articles of impeachment were crap.

My lovely wife said the Articles only included Trump's racist tweets.

If true, that's BS. Trump has done 100x more than those tweets. Any Articles should have included FAR more.

If true, forcing a vote on crappy BS articles that was destined to fail did NOT help our cause.


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Response to CaptainTruth (Reply #84)

Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:18 PM

85. Jamie Raskin was on with Chris Hayes

He said Green's motion was actual articles of impeachment. To draw 95 votes is impressive. Raskin went on to say there were probably over 100 Dems now who support an impeachment inquiry.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #85)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:07 AM

91. correct. Greene's motion was the real deal

Completely separate from the big resolution event

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 12:13 AM

87. Hanging in but pretty depressed and crabby.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:27 AM

95. Agreed.


This shot at impeachment was never going to pass -- and EVERYONE who voted for it knew it.

It was also a direct end-run around Pelosi -- and EVERYONE who voted for it knew it.

**95 votes**.

Just on his recent tweets. No Mueller. No contempt. No obstruction. Just the tweets.

That is a HUGE number for this.

MUCH higher than I expected, and 10 votes higher than the highest pro-impeachment whip-count I've seen to date.

This vote represents fully **40%** of the Democratic caucus in the House.

If I was Nancy Pelosi tonight, I'd be losing some serious sleep.


MDN

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Response to Mike Niendorff (Reply #95)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 06:22 AM

96. Great post THIS


MUCH higher than I expected, and 10 votes higher than the highest pro-impeachment whip-count I've seen to date.

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Response to Mike Niendorff (Reply #95)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 12:58 PM

106. yeah, Nancy's losing a lot of sleep

that's some serious spin you got going there, pardner. gettin' dizzy yet?

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 06:33 AM

97. KICK

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:01 AM

100. I am pleased my congresswoman was among the 95.

I've sent numerous emails on the subject, with no response, but when push came to shove she was there.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 09:14 AM

102. We will be rid of him soon. The long nightmare is soon over.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 01:06 PM

107. As each day passes, impeachment looks less-and-less likely.

I think that impeachment is completely off the table at this point. I think that Speaker Pelosi is making a mistake, but, mercifully, it is her call to make, not mine. I continue to respect and trust her judgment.

-Laelth

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 01:25 PM

108. We will get there...

I hoper not to late.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 02:34 PM

110. Oh please

Oh please be right, (I truly hope u r) malaise. Then send him to jail with Epstien.

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Response to malaise (Original post)

Thu Jul 18, 2019, 03:33 PM

113. while we are at it , lets also remove most of the executive branch,

the judicial and the speake and many of the senate too also. would make my day.

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