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Sun Jul 14, 2019, 10:18 AM

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Reply Have a seat. This is upsetting (Original post)
dajoki Jul 2019 OP
Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2019 #1
lonely bird Jul 2019 #39
Kid Berwyn Jul 2019 #2
Farmer-Rick Jul 2019 #3
riversedge Jul 2019 #6
PatSeg Jul 2019 #4
Cartoonist Jul 2019 #5
Farmer-Rick Jul 2019 #7
paleotn Jul 2019 #12
colorado_ufo Jul 2019 #31
Maru Kitteh Jul 2019 #40
colorado_ufo Jul 2019 #42
olegramps Jul 2019 #13
colorado_ufo Jul 2019 #32
olegramps Jul 2019 #52
Gothmog Jul 2019 #26
Marcuse Jul 2019 #44
VOX Jul 2019 #47
myohmy2 Jul 2019 #51
VOX Jul 2019 #48
Jeffersons Ghost Jul 2019 #8
FakeNoose Jul 2019 #9
hurple Jul 2019 #18
FakeNoose Jul 2019 #19
onecaliberal Jul 2019 #25
ALBliberal Jul 2019 #10
Arazi Jul 2019 #23
Honeycombe8 Jul 2019 #11
czarjak Jul 2019 #14
certainot Jul 2019 #15
colorado_ufo Jul 2019 #33
certainot Jul 2019 #37
oldsoftie Jul 2019 #35
certainot Jul 2019 #38
keithbvadu2 Jul 2019 #16
Me. Jul 2019 #17
Caliman73 Jul 2019 #20
delisen Jul 2019 #28
dajoki Jul 2019 #53
TxVietVet Jul 2019 #54
AlexSFCA Jul 2019 #21
calimary Jul 2019 #22
Gothmog Jul 2019 #24
stillcool Jul 2019 #27
myohmy2 Jul 2019 #50
UTUSN Jul 2019 #29
roamer65 Jul 2019 #30
oldsoftie Jul 2019 #36
blue-wave Jul 2019 #34
LisaM Jul 2019 #41
blue-wave Jul 2019 #45
VOX Jul 2019 #46
summer_in_TX Jul 2019 #43
uponit7771 Jul 2019 #49

Response to dajoki (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 10:38 AM

1. should be viral

2020 will be much worse unless the general population is made to understand what's going on.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #1)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 07:34 PM

39. At least 40% of the population

Do not give a damn.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 10:56 AM

2. Mr Barr is investigating, I'm sure.

We’ll have a complete report in time for 2022.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:03 AM

3. Well the US Treasury Department sanctioned them.

Seems the Treasury Dept is being used as our only defense against Russian interference.

"June 11, 2018

Washington – Today, the U.S. Department of the Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) designated five Russian entities and three Russian individuals under Executive Order (E.O.) 13694, “Blocking the Property of Certain Persons Engaging in Significant Malicious Cyber-Enabled Activities,” as amended, and Section 224 of the Countering America’s Adversaries Through Sanctions Act (CAATSA). One of the designated entities in controlled by and has provided material and technological support to Russia’s Federal Security Service (FSB), while two others have provided the FSB with material and technological support. OFAC is also designating several entities and individuals for being owned or controlled by, or acting for or on behalf of, the three entities that have enabled the FSB.

“The United States is engaged in an ongoing effort to counter malicious actors working at the behest of the Russian Federation and its military and intelligence units to increase Russia’s offensive cyber capabilities. The entities designated today have directly contributed to improving Russia’s cyber and underwater capabilities through their work with the FSB and therefore jeopardize the safety and security of the United States and our allies,” said Treasury Secretary Steven T. Mnuchin. “The United States is committed to aggressively targeting any entity or individual working at the direction of the FSB whose work threatens the United States and will continue to utilize our sanctions authorities, including those provided under CAATSA, to counter the constantly evolving threats emanating from Russia.”

Examples of Russia’s malign and destabilizing cyber activities include the destructive NotPetya cyber-attack; cyber intrusions against the U.S. energy grid to potentially enable future offensive operations; and global compromises of network infrastructure devices, including routers and switches, also to potentially enable disruptive cyber-attacks. Today’s action also targets the Russian government’s underwater capabilities. Russia has been active in tracking undersea communication cables, which carry the bulk of the world’s telecommunications data."

https://home.treasury.gov/news/press-releases/sm0410

Here is a list of their actions under Traitor Trump Putin puppet.

https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/OFAC-Enforcement/Pages/OFAC-Recent-Actions.aspx

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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #3)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:21 AM

6. Thanks for post-information

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:13 AM

4. K&R

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:13 AM

5. Upsetting to Whom?

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Response to Cartoonist (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:27 AM

7. Well, they kind of look like Russians

When I was in the Navy, they gave us classes on how to identify Russian spies. I would say they fit the bill.

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Response to Farmer-Rick (Reply #7)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:18 PM

12. Nah, just home grown haters....

middle to lower middle class, less educated white men with fears of losing their privilege are fertile ground for Russian memes and interference to take root. Ironically, in the more conservative parts of the country, the children of "better dead than red" are thoroughly co-opted by the GRU's narratives. Strange world we live in.

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Response to paleotn (Reply #12)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 06:03 PM

31. The saying was the other way, "Better Red than dead."

In any event, those two are just butt-ugly.

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Response to colorado_ufo (Reply #31)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 07:44 PM

40. No, It was indeed "Better dead than Red" as in communist red.

The only good commie is a dead one and so on. . .

Ask the Googles.

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Response to Maru Kitteh (Reply #40)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:18 PM

42. It depends on who was saying it and their intent.

But, I was young at the time! Although I am older than the Google's

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Response to Cartoonist (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:26 PM

13. Is that Dumb and Dumber or Dump and Dumpier. Looks like a couple of beer gut slobs.

It is really too bad that we can't make their wish come true.

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Response to olegramps (Reply #13)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 06:03 PM

32. Dumpy and Dumpster.

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Response to colorado_ufo (Reply #32)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 09:49 AM

52. Thanks. That more descriptive.

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Response to Cartoonist (Reply #5)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 04:35 PM

26. trump supporters hate AMERICAA and are happy that Russia helped elect trump

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Response to Cartoonist (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 02:47 AM

44. You've met their baby sister?

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Response to Marcuse (Reply #44)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 07:49 AM

47. Good god. Pride no longer exists. WHITE "pride," however, is enjoying a heyday.

The center cannot hold, and neither can my stomach. I’ve shaken my head so much it’s rotating.

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Response to Marcuse (Reply #44)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 09:14 AM

51. with...

...nitrile gloves?...

...might catch something...

...

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Response to Cartoonist (Reply #5)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 07:58 AM

48. Old enough to recall right-wing assholes telling liberals to "Move to Russia!"

It’s a weird kind of inverted nostalgia.

I wish they ALL would relocate to Russia, and enjoy the “liberty-loving patriotic” activities that await them. Good times!

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:28 AM

8. K&R

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 11:33 AM

9. K & R Thanks for posting!

I suggest clicking on TruthWriter's tweet and read the entire thread if you can.
It's very enlightening.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #9)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:44 PM

18. How about a threadreader unroll

For those of us who can't?

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Response to hurple (Reply #18)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:54 PM

19. It seems that Threadreader is being blocked

I don't know the reason why, but TruthWriter has blocked the Threadreader app, so it's not letting me roll it out. I guess that means that everyone has to visit his twitterfeed to read his tweets. (?)

Don't ask me, I'm not a twitter user myself. I haven't seen this before.

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Response to FakeNoose (Reply #19)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 03:55 PM

25. I will retweet it all.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:07 PM

10. I believe they infiltrated DU. I recall a highly

Controversial poster that pitted Sanders people against Clinton people particularly in regard to race. This poster since disappeared.

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Response to ALBliberal (Reply #10)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 01:21 PM

23. That particular flamethrower went to Twitter and is on her 4th or 5th username

Keeps getting banned there too

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:10 PM

11. Doesn't matter at this point.

If the Democrats aren't going to do anything substantive, with teeth in it, it doesn't really matter.

We knew a lot of this computer and troll stuff before. Some parts are new and very disturbing. But we can't do anything, if the leaders aren't going to do anything.

Once Mueller showed up and became a nothingburger, and then when Congress did nothing, I admit I accepted that the Russians and Trump calculated correctly, and they ended up with their game plan intact (okay, they lost about 22 agents here).

I also think it's a bad idea to have Mueller testify. It won't be what the Democrats think it will be, I'm afraid. The Republicans are going to tear into him. It will be a disturbing spectacle, and the Americans will simply pick the side they like as having won the day with or against Mueller. Leaving Mueller bruised and beaten.

All I can do is vote, and hope that neither side fools with Medicare as it exists now or with Social Security.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:29 PM

14. So...

Mission accomplished?

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:30 PM

15. third tweet goes 5/, which suggests trolls amplify michael savage's call to arms when

trump is impeached, etc

michael savage is a talk radio god, and most trump opponents have no clue how much the russians have been piggybacking talk radio

the old soviets hated Voice of America, the radio broadcasts that thwarted them all over the world, and it would be poetic for them to figure out how to horn in on a wildly successful talk radio propaganda operation liberals ignore and take it farther than establishment GOP would want - and that is exactly what is happening /has happened

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Response to certainot (Reply #15)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 06:07 PM

33. The fact that it is wildly popular is very sad

and a poor commentary on our society

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Response to colorado_ufo (Reply #33)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 07:21 PM

37. imo it's only 'popular' in the sense that it's the only free easy alternative for politics while

driving, working, doing chores in most of the US. that's the 20-1 monopoly in 40 states with 80 senators. that buzz reaches a huge secondary and tertiary audience. in most of the US, and that's why the republicans at an upper level don't want free wifi infrastructure, people interested in politics have no alternatives before getting home to fight the family for the TV

i just met a town mayor at a party and he said he had to make sure after he had the rw radio station on to get the traffic, weather, sports that he set it to a new station so when he turned the radio back on it didn't come back on with one of the rw dipshits.

the right has sold to democrats and the left the fallacy that it's market demand, and free speech, that 95% of americans prefer the lies, ignorance, and hate from the rw monopoly that says trump is great. so we get polls that 75% know aoc and only a few like her and that is interpreted by the media and dems with no clue that 1500 radio stations led by limbaugh have been attacking and sending death threats at the 'ignorant commie socialist stalinist' for a year - with no one getting her back re those radio stations getting a total free speech free ride reaching 50 mil a week. it's fucking ridiculous.

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Response to certainot (Reply #15)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 07:19 PM

35. Savage only does 1 hour a day now. He's not what he was years ago.

And he's been very critical of trump on many occasions. Which has brought him the hatred of the trumpers. The NYT did a story on this just a month or so ago
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/18/us/politics/michael-savage-trump.html

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Response to oldsoftie (Reply #35)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 07:30 PM

38. thanks for the summary - i can't get the piece without subscribing but i'm not

surprised

he never looked in good health and even though he is a racist sexist fascist asshole he had a brain. he would speak out a bit but on most topics he was usually on board, same old

and if the base is attacking him it points out what happens even to the biggest of them if they cross limbaugh. it happens to all the others - the dittoheads can't call their god, maybe cause the russians have hacked the call screening software, or locked up all the paid caller appointments, so they patrol the others that will take their calls and make sure they're all on the same page

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:34 PM

16. Putting money into Trump was the best investment Putin ever made.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:42 PM

17. Upsetting Yes, But Nothing We Didn't Suspect

I wonder when the real story will fully come out, so many entanglements

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 12:59 PM

20. Documented proof of what most of us already accepted as settled...

The documents are not upsetting at all. I would venture to say that the vast majority of "non-bot", "non-troll", DU members already understood quite clearly that Russian interference occurred during the last 2 elections and will likely occur in the coming 2020 campaign.

The upsetting part is likely that Trump and the GOP as beneficiaries, are not going to do anything to protect the integrity of the electoral process. The mere emergence of documentation is just confirmation, for the history books, if there are to be any left.

The United States regularly attempts to influence or straight up interfere with elections in other countries. We have orchestrated coups and backed horrible governments for the benefit of the wealthy in our country. That does not make what the Russians did in 2016 and 2018 acceptable AT ALL. It is just a statement that we have to acknowledge that countries interfere in each other's elections. There is a MAJOR difference between the US targeting elections in Nicaragua and El Salvador which are considerable weaker and defenseless nations and the Russians targeting our elections. We have the ability to defend ourselves and make elections basically safe fair. What is lacking at this point is any sense of loyalty to country by Republicans. They know what is happening but don't care because they are benefiting from it. That is the upsetting part.

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Response to Caliman73 (Reply #20)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 05:18 PM

28. We clearly have not been able to defend ourselves 2014-2018


When Putin targeted Clinton he targeted human rights, here and abroad-including Russia, Europe, Central and South America. Possibly you may believe that your human rights are not on the line-but mine are.

This complaint also speaks directly to the human rights disaster unfolding today at our physical southern border. Are we supposed to yawn and say no big deal when people are caged and dying-and those conditions can be tied to a propaganda campaign by a well-financed, secret propaganda campaign by a human rights abusing foreign government.

It speaks to the current human rights crisis in Nicaragua under Daniel Ortega today where the former revolutionary has made common cause with a right wing Catholic hierarchy to make the lives of woman and teenaged girls a living hell and the country a human rights disaster area?

Nicaragua today is not a weak or defenseless country. it is a major human rights abuser.

We have other borders than physical borders in the 21st century-we have a cyberspace border. It has been breached successfully and we still don't know to what extent.

The events in this particular complaint occurred between 2014 and right through 2018. There is no indication they have stopped or that all DU members or other sites are fully aware of the extent of the malicious interference or the fact that the damage is ongoing.

There is a continuing FBI investigation re the actual hacking into our election systems, and each time we get a report there seems to be evidence that these events were more widespread than previously reported. . Certainly in states such as Georgia which uses the proven easily hacked Diebold machines, with no paper trail -votes can easily be changed or not counted. Georgia may have lost a governorship; Florida a governorship and a senator.

In fact it was only after the election of Trump in 2016 that Americans were officially informed by our government that there was critical interference in that election. Even after that announcement many attempted to downplay the interference and actually deny that the interference had any effect. At present there is very little discussion of the extent of the infiltration or damage done.





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Response to delisen (Reply #28)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 10:03 AM

53. Absolutely...

every time you think something has been found, there is still more unknown that we have yet to discover. Every time I vote I get into a discussion with the poll workers about the machines and paper trails and they have no clue, it drives my wife nuts but I keep asking. I do believe votes have been changed or not counted for a long time now, including all elections, not just presidential.

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Response to Caliman73 (Reply #20)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 12:11 PM

54. US election integrity vanished when

We started using electronic voting machines. The manufacturers were in the bed with the conservanazi GOPers. The GOPers knew the machines could be manipulated to give the the outcome they desired. Now the republikan party is in bed with the Russians (so to speak). Both Putin and the conservanazis are reaping the rewards.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 01:15 PM

21. you'd think that GOP primary rivals should be concerned

cause they fraudulently were robbed of nomination. It could have been bush, rubio, etc.
Also, I wonder if folks like Candace Owens are financed via some of this dirty money.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 01:17 PM

22. Bookmarking this!

Thanks for finding it, dajoki!

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 03:42 PM

24. Thank you for posting this

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 05:02 PM

27. are we there yet?

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Response to stillcool (Reply #27)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 08:59 AM

50. +1

...nope...

...still not enough...

...

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 05:54 PM

29. K&R

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 06:00 PM

30. The Sino-Russian alliance is our enemy.

Putin is Xi’s attack dog.

The Western alliance had better wake up and wake up soon.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #30)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 07:20 PM

36. Damn right.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 06:15 PM

34. Thank you for posting

My blood pressure goes up just a bit whenever I hear tRumps deluded followers laughing at/about Russian interference in our democracy. They will never get it even though there is evidence all around. It is some sort of bizarre psychological phenomena. It appears as though they love Vladimir more than they love their own country. They really are a sad, sick lot.

To them I say: Study history. Any country which has ever allowed extensive foreign interference internally, has failed. It will not be different in our case. This interference must be stopped or our country will fail. But maybe that's what the delusional followers of tRump want. They will then live in infamy as destroying one of the best representative forms of government to have ever existed. They are sick, simply sick.

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Response to blue-wave (Reply #34)

Sun Jul 14, 2019, 09:35 PM

41. What about people on the LEFT who won't accept it?

There is definitely an element on the left who literally believe this, and bought the assertion that the DNC "rigged" the outcome of the convention based on a few cherry-picked emails from hacked data. Which, by the way, it should be illegal to disseminate, but no one seems to care about that in the least.

I know some people on the left who absolutely do no accept that Russian interference cost the 2016 election. It's upsetting.

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Response to LisaM (Reply #41)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 04:23 AM

45. I agree

Too many people all around are playing the fools. It is sad.

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Response to blue-wave (Reply #34)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 07:44 AM

46. Racism, xenophobia, sexism, and hatred of liberals make Russia and Trumpists easy bedfellows.

There are right-wing, white nationalist governments springing up worldwide. They all fear the displaced “brown hordes headed their way.” Hatred of “the other” sadly runs pretty deep in the interior of the United States. Republicans are taking to fascism like ducks to water. The few who objected to 45 in the beginning are now either retired, deceased, or far worse, won over (Lindsey Graham, Ted Cruz, etc.)

There’s also a newer, more virulent strain of anti-science, anti-education, anti-liberalism ideology being spread by the efforts of seriously bad actors, specifically Steve Bannon. He’s had direct input in every country that’s recently turned to far-right nationalism; Bannon’s advised principals in the UK (Brexit), France, Italy, Poland, Czechoslovakia, Hungary, Sweden, and now Brazil, among others.

This is why the U.S. is now courting friendships with these governments, and obviously, Russia. There’s the shared unspoken-but-observable goal of creating a white-nationalist “empire,” running from the Americas, across Europe, and anchored in Russia. Reads like Twilight Zone script, I know, but tons of good information from solid sources exists.

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 12:06 AM

43. Any mention of far left provocateurs?

Say antifa? Or others who give the right every reason and excuse for wanting law enforcement to clamp down on the resistance?

Violent clashes cause conservatives (liberals too, but not as intensely) to feel fear – which predictably causes them to demand that law enforcement do whatever it takes to stop it.

Any evidence that Project Lahkta is encouraging antifa or others to riot?

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Response to dajoki (Original post)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 08:42 AM

49. GRU raised money for gop in 2018

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