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Cary

(11,746 posts)
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 05:18 PM Aug 2012

Please help me try to understand this "conservative" comment on race

So there is a black man who is a friend of mine on another board. I do have to say that he is over the top, but let's forget about that for a moment. It is just background. He goes after "conservatives" for their racism and I don't think I need to explain that too much. I accept him for what he is. That has nothing to do with race. Again, it's just background.

The "conservatives" all like to claim that he is a "black racist" and clearly this man represents something important to them. They have him pegged as some kind of a stereotype. Their rhetoric ranges from mildly ugly to utterly disgusting but the "conservatives" feel they have the high ground because invariably they claim this man is prejudiced against them. I don't totally understand that, but then they're "conservatives" and, well, let's move on.

What's prompting this is a comment from one of "conservatives" (who actually manages to display some decency at times but is still a hater) directed at my friend:

" (name deleted) you are the one constantly bitching about the past ie all the injustices done to Blacks...for the past three hundred years."

I find this odd. Is this poster actually suggesting that there is something wrong with a black man complaining about injustices to black people? I did ask this poster to explain this but being that these "conservatives" are incredibly non-self-actualized I don't expect a coherent answer.

Do any of you have any thoughts or insights you can share on this? I actually think that "conservatives" think a "good" black man is one who doesn't complain about injustices done to black people? I mean WTF?

Race is huge issue to them. It definitely pushes some kind of button and my friend, well, he's very eager push that button. It doesn't seem to do any good though.

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Cary

(11,746 posts)
2. I guess, but it seems to me there is some important lesson
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 05:24 PM
Aug 2012

about "conservatives" here.

I could be wrong, but it just sparked some kind curiosity in me.

 

arcane1

(38,613 posts)
3. Conservatives need a steady stream of sunshine blown up their asses about white Americans
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 05:28 PM
Aug 2012

"American exceptionalism" and all that.

librechik

(30,659 posts)
4. these people have no educational/historical background to understand racism
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 05:31 PM
Aug 2012

they are just poorly educated racists. And the very first defense these guilty people grasp at is that it's the "other" who is really racist. It's completely impossible, since the white race is a huge majority, there is no institutional racism against them. Yet they whine and complain about it as if they were the ones being oppressed. Affirmative action is a crime against them for example. It's totally reversed in their minds, that lets them off the hook, they feel, and it tends to end the discussion at least.

They are just following a Rushball or Beckian script. You can't reason with them since they only respect their own superstitions and Fox lies. Their attacks are oh so familiar among the lemmings and dittoheads that follow Right Wing Radio etc.

It is a hopeless task. I am afraid you are going to lose some friends. But who cares? They're just racist scumbags. Useless.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
5. Please, they are not my friends
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 05:35 PM
Aug 2012

I just argue with them. Why? I really don't know but "conservatives" are not my friends. No, no. Not going to happen. I despise these people as far as their online persona. I can get along with them to some degree if we drop the politics altogether, but that's about it.

librechik

(30,659 posts)
12. just ignore their crap then, or leave the forum. It's fun to grapple with trolls sometimes
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 05:52 PM
Aug 2012

though, don't take it seriously.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
13. Thanks. That's all true.
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 05:55 PM
Aug 2012

I don't take it seriously. I call the force behind them "The Stupid". You know, like The Force in Star Wars, only with them it's The Stupid.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
8. Like what?
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 05:45 PM
Aug 2012

I would not recommend this board to you but if you want to fight with "conservatives" I could give you the URL in a PM. Otherwise if you have a question I will be glad to answer it. As far as briefing you all on the details, I respect you too much to subject you to it.

But if you ask I will answer.

mercuryblues

(14,464 posts)
7. tell them
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 05:40 PM
Aug 2012

they are still bitching about a crucifixion from 3,000 + years ago, yet complaining about someone talking about issues from this past century. Talk about not "letting go" about something.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
9. I like that and I'll save it for the right time.
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 05:46 PM
Aug 2012

Thanks.

Although I have to tell you that the Ayn Rand contingent tend to be atheists, so...

Cary

(11,746 posts)
14. Of course there's no real evidence that any of it ever happened at all.
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 05:56 PM
Aug 2012

So what's a thousand years, give or take?

JHB

(37,122 posts)
11. The meme is that blacks perpetuate racism by constantly bringing up the past...
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 05:48 PM
Aug 2012

...as if racism was all in the past and has no bearing on the results for people today. That they perpetuate poor outcomes by harping on things from long ago but not getting off their duffs and working hard to be successful.

Conservatives like this view because it absolves themselves from accusations of racism and puts the blame completely on others. It takes a very narrow view of what constitutes racism (I.e., the outright open kind of the KKK), and doesn't acknowledge that less open forms have a real effect.

Effects like believing that the troubles of this country are due to an army of shiftless layabouts asking for handouts.

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