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Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:15 AM

Good reporting here on a very bad situation in the House majority. I had not fully appreciated just

how hurtful AOC's aide has been to veteran African-American Reps.. "


Context for those who hadn't seen the tweet of whom I am one.


Hyperbolic Gas Lighting much, Chakrabarti?

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:21 AM

1. A terrible thing to say! Obviously mouth and brain are disengaged

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:26 AM

3. Yes! And, Nancy was standing up

for those Dems

Mahalo, Thekaspervote

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Response to Cha (Reply #3)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:05 AM

18. Mahalo, to you cha!!

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 05:45 AM

40. Maybe not...

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Response to pangaia (Reply #40)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 05:52 AM

41. It was a horrible thing to say.

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Response to Cha (Reply #41)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 09:21 AM

56. i agree. i meant maybe his brain and mouth WERE in fact connected...

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Response to pangaia (Reply #56)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 09:32 AM

57. Yeah, I figured that's

what you meant when I took a second.

Thank you, pangaia.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:26 AM

2. Very disturbing. Why would he have posted that?

It makes one wonder just what is being said about Pelosi in the AOC and other progressive camps behind closed doors. I mean, this tweet was not created in a vacuum. There was a context, and I don't think it was merely what AOC has been posting.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:35 AM

6. That's an excellent thought..

".. it was not created in a vacuum..".

What are they thinking?! I'm pretty sure Nancy is thinking that she wants the Democratic House to win in 2020 like she helped make happen in the BlueWave of 2018!


Mahalo, ProudLib!

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Response to Cha (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:40 AM

11. Mahalo, Cha!

Yes, I'm imagining a conspiracy going down. At the very least, a lot of divisive trash talk that does our party no good.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #11)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:47 AM

13. Yeah, Nancy is looking to the future

and Winning.. I don't know what the hell Chakabarti thinks he's doing.

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Response to Cha (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 05:03 PM

96. :) Yes you do. Brand New Congress,

After all, is the name of JD’s Siamese twin group. This was his usual, a constant spew of anti-democratic party hate messages, before Ocasio was sworn in and brought him into the big times. Over 200 representatives sent by Democratic voters to Congress are their take-out targets, including of course Pelosi and the rest of our leadership.

Ambitious little scorpions. I don’t know just how strongly Ocasio does or does not share their attitudes, but I strongly suspect firing him and the others he’s packed her staff with would turn them into dangerous enemies. They spent 2016 spreading anti-Hillary/anti-Democratic Party lies, after all, so would know how to take her down.

It’d be interesting to know just what brought on this bout of Chakrabarti’s acting out of his true self.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #96)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:24 PM

100. +1

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #96)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 09:56 PM

115. Thanks, Hortensis.. I really

haven't paid any attention to the "brand new congress" so Mahalo for filling me in!

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:58 AM

65. It Does Make You Wonder

Maybe what they should be doing is making a second trip to the border...after all this is a terrible situation and it's money where your mouth is time.

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Response to ProudLib72 (Reply #2)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:39 PM

83. AOC is beating the drum

For her twitter followers primarily, all to enhance 'the movement' she apparently believes she's leading. She's having some success in bending perceptions her way. I've been reading unflattering comments about Pelosi all week, how Pelosi is strangling free expression and progress, how she's 'old guard' and should step aside.

I'm getting really tired of these whiners.

From the mouth of someone who has been on the job how long???? vs a woman who has worked in the trenches for 20-30 years and produced actual results for the Democratic Party. The comparison between these two women isn't even close. Crazier yet is Nancy Pelosi is a dedicated liberal; she has the record to prove it.

Her aide, however, went too far with that tweet, comparing Blue Dog Dems (which now includes anyone beyond the far left) to Southern Democrats fighting against equality for people of color. He and she are receiving the appropriate blowback.

They deserve it!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:32 AM

4. More from Tom Watson

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Response to melman (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:39 AM

9. Yes, melman.. and Tom Watson has

praised AOC before so we know he's not biased about the tweet in the OP.

And, yeah.. you "stand" with this..



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Response to Cha (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:44 AM

12. Yes, Cha

I saw all that in the first post. No need to post it again.


"And, yeah.. you "stand" with this.."


Show me where I said that. You can't.

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Response to melman (Reply #12)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:52 AM

14. Chakabarti is Wrong and So is AOC..

and your attempt to kill the messenger didn't work.

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Response to melman (Reply #12)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:31 AM

23. "Show me where I said that. You can't." What do you call that thing in your sig-line? Big, colorful

...and says out loud : "I Stand With AOC."

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Response to melman (Reply #12)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:26 AM

35. Yeah, I'll post it again to make a point.. in

case you missed it.

And, yeah the "you stand with that" is in your sig line.

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Response to Cha (Reply #35)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:40 AM

36. No

My sig says I stand with AOC


This refers to Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY)

Perhaps you're unfamiliar? more info here https://ocasio-cortez.house.gov/

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Response to melman (Reply #36)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 09:07 AM

55. I guess if you "stand" with her you "stand" with her personnel decisions, right?

Chakrabarti is her Chief of Staff and was her campaign manager. So I suppose you stand with him, too? I noticed that with this current dust up and him being more arrogant in his tweets, he's changed his profile:

"CoS to @AOC. My tweets are my own and not the views of my employer."

But that's not entirely true (surprised?) - since he retweets just about everything she tweets, HIS tweets ARE the views of his employer.

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Response to George II (Reply #55)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:06 AM

61. But, she has to be ok with

them or she would tell him he's hurting her image, right?

Nice gas lighting deniability. Why would anyone want a COS staff around who tweets divisive, hurtful accusations if it wasn't approved? It's incomprehensible.

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Response to melman (Reply #36)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 09:35 AM

58. Call the number of her Jackson Heights office:

(718) 662-5970

See what you get.

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Response to George II (Reply #58)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:37 AM

71. 1. Please Visit Us On The Web @AOC...

2. PLease call again

3.Click

4. So... what?...No personnel, no leave a message?

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Response to Me. (Reply #71)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:41 AM

72. That's all. And her other "office", in the Bronx, is a desk in State Assembly Member Reyes' Office.

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Response to George II (Reply #72)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:56 AM

74. So What Is She Using Her Allowance On?

Allowances
“Each member receives the same amount of MRA funds for personal expenses. Allowances for office expenses vary from member to member based on the distance between the member's home district and Washington, D.C., and the average rent for office space in the member's home district. Allowances for mailing vary based on the number of residential mailing addresses in the member's home district as reported by the U.S. Census Bureau.

In 2016, each member’s MRA increased by 1% from the 2015 level, and the MRAs range from $1,207,510 to $1,383,709, with an average of $1,268,520.

Most of each member's annual MRA allowance is used to pay their office personnel. In 2016, for example, the office personnel allowance for each member was $944,671.”

https://www.thoughtco.com/allowances-to-members-of-congress-3322261

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Response to Me. (Reply #74)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:17 PM

77. She could have moved right in to Crowley's office, like just about every other newly elected...

....MOC did. But she complained the rent went up a few thousand dollars (we don't really know that) so she was building a new office. The interesting thing is the cost of the new office construction is MUCH higher than the rent increase over two years. Plus, it could have been open on day one, now we're more than six months into the term (one-quarter of two years!) and still no office.

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Response to melman (Reply #36)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 12:06 AM

120. +1

...

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Response to Cha (Reply #9)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:00 AM

66. You Go Ahead And Post This All Day If You Wish

There are no rules or laws against it

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Response to melman (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:21 PM

78. More from Chakrabarti, do you "stand" with this and his choice of t-shirt?

You might find the biography of the person on that shirt, Subhas Chandra Bose, quite disturbing.


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Response to George II (Reply #78)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:38 PM

102. I would have posted it if you hadn't

AOC is drifting danger close to Jill Stein territory. When you drift far enough to the left, you are indistinguishable from someone in the far right.

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Response to melman (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:14 PM

91. That shows that Watson is an objective source.



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Response to lapucelle (Reply #91)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:17 PM

92. It shows something

But that's not it.

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Response to melman (Reply #92)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:18 PM

93. It shows exactly that.

Thank you for helping to strengthen the OP's argument.

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Response to melman (Reply #92)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 06:54 PM

136. Oh? What do you have to say about Tom

Watson, melman? Does it have anything to do with what Chakrabarti is tweeting? AOC's COS?

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Response to Cha (Reply #136)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 06:57 PM

137. I don't have anything to say about Tom Watson, cha

nor did I suggest I did have anything to say about him.


If you missed the point I was trying to make it's really not my problem. So sorry.

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Response to melman (Reply #137)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 07:02 PM

138. Good.. no more trying to deflect when

Tom Watson is the messenger.

Anything to say about the actual OP? Chakrabarti's message? AOC's COS?

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Response to melman (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:49 PM

119. +1

...

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:34 AM

5. Chakrabarti has to go

That kind of talk has no place in the Democratic Party.

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Response to wysi (Reply #5)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:23 AM

30. I know, wysi.. Chakabarti needs to be held

responsible for his words.

Many activists who admired AOC are not okay with this.

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Response to Cha (Reply #30)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:38 PM

95. He deleted the tweet.

That is not enough. He needs to issue an apology, though I won't hold my breath. That was a down right ugly thing to say.

Thanks, Cha.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #95)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:22 PM

107. And, yet it lives forever! The Damage is Done..

Taking lessons from david sirota? When you don't want to be he held accountable you just delete?

Thank You, she.. sigh.

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Response to Cha (Reply #107)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:29 PM

108. Just came of a thread where he is going after Sharice Davids as well.

Called her a racist enabler.
JHC!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #108)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:34 PM

109. What?! omg!

I'll have to find that one.. Thanks, she

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Response to Cha (Reply #109)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:39 PM

111. I found it.

OK Nancy, here.

://www.democraticunderground.com/100212271007#post4

OKNancy (39,978 posts)

4. I hate that the right-wingers exposed this but

she needs to get rid of him. He's a liability and I thought this before I even read this article.

He deleted a bunch of nasty tweets but I saved this one. Called out Sharice Davids of all people. Not sure if it is still there:


Julian Brave NoiseCat

@jnoisecat
· Jun 27, 2019
Replying to @jnoisecat @saikatc
Well looks like you deleted your tweet. Good on you


Saikat Chakrabarti
@saikatc
I think the point still stands. I don't think people have to be personally racist to enable a racist system. And the same could even be said of the Southern De
mocrats. I don't believe Sharice is a racist person, but her votes are showing her to enable a racist system.

3
6:35 PM - Jun 27, 2019

--- The deleted ones were worse--- btw, I'm not @jnoisecat

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #111)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:48 PM

112. Thanks, she! George has it there, too..

in this forever form.



http://www.democraticunderground.com/100212271007#post4

I'm sure Sharice Davids will be happy to learn AOC's COS thinks she "votes to enable a racist system".

What a pile of gas lighting.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:37 AM

7. Chakrabarti went to Harvard and worked at wall street and silicon valley

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Response to JI7 (Reply #7)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:02 AM

15. That's ok with me.. but his Insulting

Dems with these kinds of gas lighting accusations are not.

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Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:39 AM

10. chakrabarti called on Al Franken to resign

considering all the crap Gillibrand gets for that.........

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Response to JI7 (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:43 AM

16. Thanks for that, JI7..

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Response to JI7 (Reply #10)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:00 AM

60. Yes, but he's a guy so it's ok

Only Gillibrand gets crap for that.

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Response to mcar (Reply #60)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:55 AM

73. 38 senators and it is only about Gillibrand. The hypocrisy.

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Response to silentEcho (Reply #73)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:13 PM

76. Indeed.

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Response to silentEcho (Reply #73)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:32 PM

94. Yes

But don't say that too loud.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:46 AM

17. Thanks for posting this, Cha! Important information about what's going on.

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Response to highplainsdem (Reply #17)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:47 AM

25. Just trying for some Reality here, highplainsdem!

It's a hard row to hoe sometimes when there's so much gas lighting going on.

Thank You for helping!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:13 AM

19. That guy needs to go!! Aoc should take a stand.. very very damaging

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #19)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 05:03 AM

37. Chakabarti does need to be held accountable

for all the shite he started.. will he apologize?

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:22 AM

20. criticism is absolutely justified

We have to be able to tell the difference between a firebrand (occasional a good thing) -- and a bomb thrower. And the people that have trouble finding that distinction are not helping the cause. Passionate advocacy is one thing. Virulent attacks against your neighbors ..?

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #20)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:04 AM

42. Well put, stopdiggin! Thank You!

This has been ridiculous to put it mildly.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:26 AM

21. Holy hells -- he said WHAT?! To AOC: Hey girl, this jerk needs to GO.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #21)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:50 AM

43. Holy hells is right, Hekate! I hope he

didn't think he was helping AOC.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:28 AM

22. Republican crooks sponsor climate change & treason. The Earth is burning up. Let's attack Democrats!

Our Party was attacked from within by "insurgents" and putschists during the last election cycle. How'd that work out?

Not this time, Saikat

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Response to NBachers (Reply #22)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:38 AM

24. +1

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Response to NBachers (Reply #22)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:36 AM

52. Mahalo, Bachers..

It's almost unfathomable how a Dem Rep's COS could send such a cruel, gas lighting, divisive message like that.

But, here we are.

Yes, Not This Time.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:01 AM

26. looks like fifth column shit to me

I suggest Saikat Chakrabarti come chat with some of my neighbors to find out what "Southern Democrats" are really like. His history is a bit off, too; it didn't end in the '40s. Dixiecrats stampeded from the party after the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

Pelosi has long been the target of the party of extremists. Why are there suddenly members of the Democratic party aiding the propaganda? Pelosi may be Speaker, but she still has 1 vote. If you're frustrated with progress, get more votes.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #26)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:29 PM

117. Thank You for your

historical perspective, Hermit.

It was a sickeningly, mean-spirited, disingenuous, accusation.. I've read he's now deleted it.. but the damage is done and lives forever on the internet.

Chakabarti needs to be held accountable for what he tweets out.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:08 AM

27. Punch the hippie

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Response to rusty quoin (Reply #27)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:15 AM

28. What the hell are you talking about?





Nancy's thinking about Winning the House Again in 2020..

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Response to Cha (Reply #28)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:53 AM

32. Pelosi is the Adult

Last edited Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:45 AM - Edit history (1)

And so are Cummings,, john Lewis, Maxine Waters and all the others who have fought the good fight for many years!

Democrats do not need a Freedom Caucus of disrupters..

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #32)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:36 AM

45. This is beyond the Pale from Chakabarti..

It's hard to wrap my mind around the mean-spirited attacks on Dems that have nothing to do with reality.

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Response to Cha (Reply #45)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:48 AM

47. Those who still

Think race-baiting still works should visit my neighborhood. Been integrated for 50 years. Most people think of others as people, not race or color.

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Response to rusty quoin (Reply #27)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:23 AM

29. You know what I'm talking about.

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Response to rusty quoin (Reply #29)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:02 AM

34. you posted that to yourself..

No.. you need to explain yourself.




Nancy's thinking about Winning the House Again in 2020..

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Response to rusty quoin (Reply #29)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:39 AM

53. Best thing to do is continue crouching behind innuendo and implication.

Otherwise, you may have to own up to your own words.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #53)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 09:40 PM

114. Well said!

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Response to rusty quoin (Reply #27)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 05:29 AM

39. What hippie, where?

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:32 AM

31. Memo to ALL house reps..

Last edited Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:30 AM - Edit history (1)

STAY OFF TWITTER/FACEBOOK!

Do your daily work/tend to your constituents.

Stop trying so hard (in public) to "change the world".FYI, you can pass all kind of good laws, BUT the senate is not gonna play ball and Trump is no help... You are spinning your wheels..

and if all you do is lob grenades at each other, you will be a minority soon.

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Response to SoCalDem (Reply #31)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:50 AM

48. Wish we had Thanks here!:)



This will do.

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Response to SoCalDem (Reply #31)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:35 PM

118. Thank You, SoCalDem!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:02 AM

33. AOC has let her chief of staff get out of control.

He calls other Dems segregationists and today she insinuated that the Speaker is a racist. Just think if AOC had begun early on to build a voting block of other reps..

she could've went to the Speaker with actual leverage that could've torpedoed that immigration bill if it wasn't changed.

IMO in six months in office a lot of that time has been spent battling with the Speaker and other Dems on social media and in the corridors of the House as she did today by accusing Pelosi of singling out the four progressive women of color. When asked if she was accusing the Speaker of bias she said "of course not."

Well which is it? That was a verbal oxymoron—she insinuated the speaker is a racist one minute and in the next second when challenged she says of course the Speaker isn't racist.

I want her to learn to use her considerable gifts to wield what power she can actually gather around her in the House and cut down on the bashing of the Speaker and other Dems. She'll be much more effective that way.

Right now she's setting herself up to be primaried.

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Response to brush (Reply #33)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:27 PM

80. I'm sure AOC and her CoS are on the same page. Both have

shown nothing but contempt for other elected democrats. Trump will make AOC and 'the squad' the face of the Democratic party next year.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #80)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:58 PM

88. The situation certainly doesn't look good. Makes you wonder if they're on the Dem team...

or some other team.

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Response to brush (Reply #33)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 05:13 PM

97. Excellent post, brush.

Thank you.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #97)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:18 PM

104. Thank you, sheshe.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 05:04 AM

38. I lulz'd

again

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Response to KG (Reply #38)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 06:22 PM

135. Of course you are..

again.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:10 AM

44. WTF. Chakrabarti should resign immediately for calling Democrats he doesn't agree with as racist

This is from the same mindset that refused to vote for the Democratic nominee in 2016, the "justice democrats".

By all indications they are pulling the same divisionary bullshit they are so well known for.

I believe the big difference this time is that most Democrat are wise to their nonesense, and will not be fooled by them






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Response to still_one (Reply #44)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:23 PM

79. +1. They learned well from the old master

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:44 AM

46. K&R

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:58 AM

49. Here is the context

This all began because the "Problem Solvers" caucus aka "blue dogs" or "centrist Dems" told Pelosi they would block a rule that put some restrictions on ICE and ensured that the emergency funds were actually used for their intended purpose of helping the adult and child immigrants being held in over-crowded ICE/CBP facilities.

The "problem solvers" were worried that a bill holding ICE/CBP accountable for their actions would hurt their re-election chances because the vote would be used against them, presumably in attack ads calling them "soft on immigration" or "open borders" or some other nonsense. Attacks that could be refuted without much effort by actual pictures of immigrants being detained in overcrowed conditions, actual observations by MoCs, a DHS IG report and other credible reporting on conditions along with a big dose of moral and ethical clarity. These members could realize the voters in their districts who like what Trump's doing aren't going to vote for them anyway.

One of Progressive Caucus co-chairs tweeted an unflattering, and probably over-the-top, comment calling the "problem solvers" out on their seeming lack of moral conscience. That resulted in Pelosi getting testy with some in her caucus but focused on the 4 young female freshmen.

If we would like to blame someone for the ongoing "feuding", it would be the "problem solvers" who objected to putting a few strings on the emergency funding bill.

Link: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/450717-progressive-democrat-after-border-defeat-since-when-did-problem-solvers-become

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #49)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:04 AM

50. This is what the OP is about.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #49)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:03 AM

67. THe Call Out Was To Name Them The Child Abusers Dems

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Response to Me. (Reply #67)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:50 PM

87. Here's a nicer way to put it

The "Problem Solvers" caucus put their own political interest above that of kids being held in deplorable conditions. They did what was expedient for themselves, not what was the morally right thing to do to ensure the money went to what it was intended to correct.

Profiles in courage the Problem Solvers were not.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #87)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:58 PM

89. And Here's Another Way To Frame It

The all or nothing, take it or leave option after the House voted against the original bill which provided oversight but also funding for the border patrol. Nancy chose to take and get some money to the children rather than nothing. I wonder if the children would've voted for ideology over any relief they could get?

"In order to get resources to the children fastest, we will reluctantly pass the Senate bill," Pelosi wrote.

The original House version of the $4.5 billion border funding bill included oversight provisions to hold the administration accountable for the conditions at migrant facilities, and provided no funding for border wall construction. Some progressives in the House nevertheless voted against the bill because it funded Immigration and Customs Enforcement and Customs and Border Patrol.”

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/border-bill-house-passes-4-6-billion-senate-bill-for-emergency-funding-along-border/

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Response to Me. (Reply #89)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:18 PM

99. Here is the lead from The Hill report linked above

ep. Mark Pocan (D-Wis.), co-chair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, blasted a revolt by centrist House Democrats on Thursday that blocked the emergency border funding measure championed by Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) and liberal Democrats.

House Democrats will vote Thursday on the clean Senate border funding bill instead of the measure advocated by progressives.


The Problems Solvers blocked a rule that would have put a few guardrails in the House bill. That lead to Pelosi having to agree to pass the Senate version without going to conference. I'm pretty sure the conferees would have come to an agreement very quickly and the conference bill would have been quickly approved by both chambers given the urgency of the situation.

The Problem Solvers did this because they were more worried about their own re-election chances. Period. End of story.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #99)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:31 PM

101. They Were Never Gomg To Get Those Guardrails After Aoc & Group

Blocked it. As I said, it was take it or leave it after the original bill failed. and AOC and squad left it. And going after the problem solvers will get you nowhere as they are not the grand standers. AOC and others running to the border for the first time after this has been going on for so long. What took them so long when they are SO VERY CONCERNED and when is their second trip planned? Never would be my guess. So support AOC all you want, but there is very little truth in what she and her nazi tee shirt wearing aide are up to.

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Response to Me. (Reply #101)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 06:19 AM

128. Thank You, Me.. have you seen this?

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Response to Cha (Reply #128)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 09:57 AM

133. I Hadn't

and thank you

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Response to Me. (Reply #133)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 05:43 PM

134. You're Welcome! Thanks to betsuni!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:13 AM

51. Chakraborti has no loyalties to the Democratic party

He is in it for himself, milking the far left for monetary gains.

Chakraborti is poison.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 09:56 AM

59. He should lose his job for that

Instead, here we are again bashing Speaker Pelosi.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:14 AM

62. That was a brainless comment from Chakrabarti.

It shows a woeful lack of understanding of Democratic Party history, along with a lack of common sense.

He's too young to remember the "Southern Democrats." Because of that, he minimizes their racism by attempting to brand current Democrats with that label.

I suspect he will soon be looking for other employment.

People need to watch their Twitter utterances very closely and analyze them for potential stupid bombs.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:46 AM

63. K&R nt

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:56 AM

64. I Had Not Appreciated It Either

Mahalo Cha

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:07 AM

68. Isn't this the guy who has a shirt with a Nazi on it? AOC should have fired him already.

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Response to Cha (Reply #69)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:27 AM

70. She should have already fired him for attacking Black House members.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #68)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:02 PM

90. Yup, that some DUers are defending

Saying there is "nuance."

Dude was straight up Nazi collaborator and buddy of Hitler and Himmler... until they didn't help him fast enough.

His troops took an oath to HITLER.

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Response to obamanut2012 (Reply #90)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:02 PM

116. There is no nuance with nazis.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 11:59 AM

75. AOC needs to fire that guy.

Not good.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #75)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:32 PM

81. Why would she fire someone who reflects her own views?

She shows nothing but contempt for her fellow Democrats just as he does.

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Response to comradebillyboy (Reply #81)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:42 PM

84. I think at this point, both of them realize he's expendable.

If she's just waiting for the right moment, then she's as sly as I think she might be. If she's not, then she's nowhere as smart as I thought she was.

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Response to DFW (Reply #84)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:44 PM

85. I hope you are right.

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Response to DFW (Reply #84)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:46 PM

86. +1

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:33 PM

82. Thanks Cha!

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 05:33 PM

98. +1000. (nt)

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:42 PM

103. Making enemies seems to be important to these pseudo-revolutionary types.

Justice Democrats should make a list, too.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #103)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:40 PM

105. Yes! Just read Oasio's fellow members have been wanting him fired

and pushing her to do it. If they instructed their top staff members to refuse to work with him, he'd be unable to do his job, which of course is hers. That might explain his spew of the poison he's mostly been holding back.

What's not clear is why she chimed in supportively with her incredibly dishonest and politically stupid accusations that they were attacking her because she wasn't white. Talk about trying to make enemies!

I'd love to know if she's just been reminded that she's wandered too far from a radical anti-Democratic "revolution" she really believes in or whether professional swiftboaters Chakrabarti and the others have been threatening her into going along. Her personal staff includes dozens who would have been mostly chosen by chief-of-staff Chakrabarti; her also-large legislative staff I don't know but suspect he would have had a big say in also.

If she did want to separate, knowing they'd turn on her, she'd need to be building a representative record to run on and would need all the support she could get from the party...

?

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Response to betsuni (Reply #103)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:49 PM

106. Oh, and the Black Caucus says they're going after black members!

The Hill:

Congressional Black Caucus members are furious at Justice Democrats, accusing the outside progressive group aligned with firebrand Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) of trying to oust lawmakers of color, specifically African American lawmakers.

Justice Democrats is backing primary challengers to eight-term Rep. Henry Cuellar (D-Texas), a Hispanic Caucus member, and 10-term Rep. Wm. Lacy Clay (D-Mo.), a member of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC). The insurgent group also made noise this year about challenging Democratic Caucus Chairman Hakeem Jeffries (D-N.Y.), a CBC member seen as the heir apparent to Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). And CBC leaders are fretting that Justice Democrats may target other black lawmakers in the coming weeks and months, including Reps. Yvette Clarke (D-N.Y.), Joyce Beatty (D-Ohio), Emanuel Cleaver (D-Mo.) and Anthony Brown (D-Md.). Brown said the group has been making calls in his district, actively trying to recruit a challenger to run against him — something that Justice Democrats denies. ...

“I don’t know what that agenda is, but if they want to come after members of the Black Caucus, it’s two ways,” warned Meeks, the Queens Democratic Party boss who clashed with Justice Democrats in a local district attorney race last month.


The CBC and Hispanic caucuses will make SUCH great additions to the list of enemies they're making...

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #106)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:39 PM

110. Funny how Republicans don't seem to appear on the lists.

No room I guess.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #110)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 09:24 AM

126. Uhuh. Funny characteristic of LW extremists.

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Response to Hortensis (Reply #106)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 12:50 AM

122. It's like the Dem version of the tea party.....the friggin "Latte Party". EYE ROLL. NT

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Response to betsuni (Reply #103)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 12:47 AM

121. Here's another enemy Chakabarti is trying to make..

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Response to Cha (Reply #121)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 12:52 AM

123. It's the old "Democrats are the REAL racists" propaganda.

Worked pretty well in 2016, not so much anymore.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #123)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 01:18 AM

124. So many standing up for Rep Davids!




Looks like Chakabarti bit off more than he could chew on.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 09:17 PM

113. New Southern Democrats?!

Bless Mr. Chakrabarti heart Cha.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 01:59 AM

125. Just catching up with this story...

...and belatedly looked at Chakrabarti's Twitter account as well as the Justice Democrats'. It's difficult to know where to start, but I'd mention right off the bat that leadership is earned, not bestowed, and it's not savvy for them to arrive in Congress and declare it's their time. No one gets anything done without forming alliances and without workable strategies.

I often wonder if technology has skewed people's sense of reality, people's expectations.

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Response to CBHagman (Reply #125)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 02:19 PM

127. Very well said, CBH.. Thank You!

No one gets anything done without forming alliances and without workable strategies.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 06:55 AM

129. 1964 GOP states won in GE: Louisiana, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina, Arizona.

So what’s this oblivious-to-actual-history shit about “New Southern Democrats”? The Deep South’s been solid Republican since the Civil Rights era.

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Response to Cha (Original post)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 08:42 AM

130. Justice Democrats seem mighty problematic...

(warning offensive language)

Homophobic and racist tweets from another one of the co-founders (several tweets in the thread I'm not posting)...




FYI - Kulinski is no longer affiliated with JDs, however the justification for his departure is something.

from Wikipedia - On December 22, 2017, it was announced that Uygur had resigned from his position at the organization, following the revelation of previously deleted but archived controversial blog posts he had written.[19] The following day, Kulinski announced that he had stepped down from the organization as he disagreed with the opinions of the Justice Democrats staff members that pressed for Uygur's dismissal over the blog posts. He said his decision came as a result of a personal dilemma as he saw the posts in question upon re-reading them as being satirical due to them dealing with Uygur complaining about his inability to attract women.

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Response to PunkinPi (Reply #130)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 08:55 AM

131. Oh gawd.. that's some

twisting and spinning on why KK left JD.

Thanks for this, PunkinPi.. I think they're toxic and it's beneficial that more is coming out about them.

Chakrabarti, himself, helped a lot with that.





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Response to Cha (Reply #131)

Mon Jul 15, 2019, 09:03 AM

132. Absolutely, sunlight is the best disenfectant...

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