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Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:56 PM

Democratic lawmaker unloads on Ocasio-Cortez, chief of staff for 'using the race card'

Democratic lawmaker unloads on Ocasio-Cortez, chief of staff for 'using the race card'
BY JONATHAN EASLEY - 07/11/19 03:21 PM EDT

Rep. Wm. Lacy Clay (D-Mo.) unloaded on Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) on Wednesday for "using the race card” after Ocasio-Cortez accused Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) of being racially insensitive.

Clay, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, fumed at Ocasio-Cortez and the group of progressive lawmakers that includes Reps. Rashida Tlaib (Mich.), Ilhan Omar (Minn.) and Ayanna Pressley (Mass.).

“What a weak argument, because you can’t get your way and because you’re getting pushback you resort to using the race card? Unbelievable. That’s unbelievable to me,” Clay said. “I could care less. I could really care less. I agree with the Speaker. Four people, four votes out of 240 people, who cares.”...

“It shows you how weak their argument is when they have to resort and direct racist accusations toward Speaker Pelosi … it’s very disappointing to me,” Clay said.

The Missouri Democrat also described Ocasio-Cortez’s chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti and the progressive group Justice Democrats as “juvenile” and “ignorant.”

The Justice Democrats have endorsed a progressive primary challenger against Clay and other centrist Democrats. Chakrabarti last week sent out a tweet comparing centrist Democrats to "new Southern Democrats" that "certainly seem hell bent to do to black and brown people today what the old Southern Democrats did in the 40s."

“It shows you how ignorant and little history [Chakrabarti] knows, how ignorant he is to American history. How dare he,” Clay said.

“They’re missing the fact that we have a very thin margin of a majority that we’re operating under and apparently it doesn’t matter to Justice Democrats, they just want to get skins. They want to score points for whatever reason. But I find it juvenile, their tactics, I find their ignorance to be beyond belief about American history and about who are really segregationists. And so how dare they try to play the race card at this point, it shows you the weakness of their arguments.”

https://thehill.com/homenews/house/452671-democratic-lawmaker-unloads-on-ocasio-cortez-chief-of-staff-for-using-the-race

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mcar Jul 11 OP
Takket Jul 11 #1
Autumn Jul 11 #2
sheshe2 Jul 11 #9
pazzyanne Jul 11 #14
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mcar Jul 11 #23
sheshe2 Jul 11 #24
demmiblue Jul 11 #6
Cha Jul 12 #101
Autumn Jul 13 #125
demmiblue Jul 13 #126
bahrbearian Jul 11 #7
Cha Jul 12 #96
moose65 Jul 11 #3
mcar Jul 11 #4
Cha Jul 12 #95
cwydro Jul 11 #5
superpatriotman Jul 11 #11
George II Jul 11 #38
Cha Jul 12 #98
redstateblues Jul 11 #76
True Blue American Jul 12 #105
Cha Jul 12 #97
3Hotdogs Jul 11 #12
reACTIONary Jul 11 #20
moose65 Jul 11 #40
George II Jul 11 #36
sprinkleeninow Jul 11 #75
BeyondGeography Jul 11 #8
gratuitous Jul 11 #10
mcar Jul 11 #15
sprinkleeninow Jul 11 #25
moose65 Jul 11 #42
sprinkleeninow Jul 11 #74
True Blue American Jul 12 #106
sprinkleeninow Jul 12 #118
George II Jul 11 #39
mcar Jul 11 #44
shanny Jul 11 #61
mcar Jul 11 #63
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reACTIONary Jul 11 #84
mcar Jul 12 #112
Cha Jul 12 #99
True Blue American Jul 12 #107
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customerserviceguy Jul 11 #83
mcar Jul 12 #113
customerserviceguy Jul 12 #117
leftstreet Jul 11 #67
GulfCoast66 Jul 11 #77
gratuitous Jul 11 #81
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eilen Jul 12 #109
House of Roberts Jul 11 #13
mcar Jul 11 #17
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True Blue American Jul 12 #119
Honeycombe8 Jul 11 #34
mcar Jul 11 #46
shanny Jul 11 #62
reACTIONary Jul 11 #87
shanny Jul 12 #94
reACTIONary Jul 13 #121
George II Jul 11 #41
House of Roberts Jul 11 #45
George II Jul 11 #47
House of Roberts Jul 11 #50
George II Jul 11 #58
eilen Jul 12 #110
mcar Jul 11 #49
House of Roberts Jul 11 #55
mcar Jul 11 #57
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mcar Jul 11 #68
redstateblues Jul 11 #79
mcar Jul 12 #114
George II Jul 11 #71
House of Roberts Jul 11 #88
UniteFightBack Jul 11 #82
House of Roberts Jul 11 #91
George II Jul 11 #73
mcar Jul 12 #115
Cha Jul 12 #100
maxrandb Jul 11 #18
mcar Jul 11 #19
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shanny Jul 11 #72
Cha Jul 12 #102
George II Jul 11 #32
mcar Jul 11 #52
George II Jul 11 #54
mcar Jul 11 #56
UniteFightBack Jul 11 #85
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Response to mcar (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:59 PM

1. Was Clay present for the meeting Pelosi held

Literally today, about not handling disputes in the media?

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Response to Takket (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:05 PM

2. He must have missed it. I'm sure Nancy will take him to task for this. nt

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #9)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:20 PM

14. Thank you for the link, sheshe2!

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Response to pazzyanne (Reply #14)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:24 PM

16. You are welcome pazzyanne!

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #9)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:38 PM

23. This is revolting, she

Why isn't she fighting against Republicans?

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Response to mcar (Reply #23)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:42 PM

24. Hmmm.

Good question, mcar. I will keep my thoughts to myself at this time.

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Response to Takket (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:25 PM

6. It isn't ok, until it is.

And hypocrites will applaud.

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #6)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:29 AM

101. I'm glad Rep Clay is speaking out.. I don't care how

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #6)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 02:43 PM

125. This seems to be a well coordinated attack on AOC. I'm not hearing anyone lecturing Clay

to go and talk to Nancy if he has a complaint about members.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #125)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 03:16 PM

126. I'm not really paying much attentionto this, tbh.

This came up on my Twitter timeline today, though:

Do you know this wasn’t a DM and that you are using the public face of house Democrats to engage in petty bullshit?

Who is this guy and why is he explicitly singling out a Native American woman of color?

Her name is Congresswoman Davids, not Sharice.

She is a phenomenal new member who flipped a red seat blue.

Keep👏🏾Her👏🏾Name👏🏾Out👏🏾Of👏🏾Your👏🏾Mouth.




:sigh:

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Response to Takket (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:35 PM

7. Its OK because he didn't use Twitter

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Response to Takket (Reply #1)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:15 AM

96. I say.. so what?.. This needs to be called out..

however the hell he wants to.





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Response to mcar (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:16 PM

3. That is like nails on a chalkboard....

He "couldn't" care less! Not he "could" care less. Drives me batshit crazy!

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Response to moose65 (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:20 PM

4. I caught that too

Same reaction.

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Response to mcar (Reply #4)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:13 AM

95. Rep Lacy Clay is absolutely correct...

however he puts it.

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Response to moose65 (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:20 PM

5. Thank you, that drives me nuts too.

It makes no sense lol, but people say that all the time.

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Response to moose65 (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:46 PM

11. This is from a learned man?

A lawmaker, no less?

Grammar school is called that for a reason.

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Response to superpatriotman (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:57 PM

38. He's very well respected in his district AND the Democratic caucus....

....and that's your problem with him?

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Response to George II (Reply #38)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:18 AM

98. SMH.. the Grammer Police! Black Democratic Caucus!

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Response to superpatriotman (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:14 PM

76. The grammar police must have a full time job correcting grammar here on DU

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #76)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 05:56 AM

105. Especially on me!:)

But, like Trump, I am actually a good speller.my fingers and IPad Spell check are my problem!

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Response to superpatriotman (Reply #11)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:16 AM

97. Your deflection isn't working for me.





Nancy's thinking about Winning the House Again in 2020..

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Response to moose65 (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:18 PM

12. Well, maybe he could care less. I don't know.

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Response to moose65 (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:35 PM

20. Drives you crazy, but me...

... I couldn't care less.

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #20)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:00 PM

40. Haha

I see what you did there 😆

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Response to moose65 (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:53 PM

36. It's like "try and" instead of the correct "try to"

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Response to moose65 (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:01 PM

75. That was a tad irksome to me also.

Add edit: Yes, but I have contributed to the Caucus a number of times so there's that.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:37 PM

8. Man goes overboard in response to man going overboard

What fun.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:46 PM

10. "We have a very thin margin of a majority"

A majority you didn't enjoy until quite recently, Mr. Clay. Those fresh-faced newcomers? They're representing a badly underserved constituency, one that hasn't had much of a voice in previous iterations of the Democratic caucus. Your "How dare he" lands on my ear as "Don't you know who I am?" which almost never impresses me. But for such an insignificant portion of your caucus, you seem far more upset with them than with anything folks like, say, Stephen King of Iowa have said or done in the past. Or Louie Gohmert. Or Virginia Foxx. Or a host of other folks on the other side of the aisle who have said and done far more egregious things than demand a voice for the neglected.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:23 PM

15. Most of the frsh-faced newcomers

are moderate Dems who won in conservative districts. They have a voice too.

AOC seems to spend more time slamming Democrats than she does Louie Gohmert and Virginia Foxxxx. Maybe she should focus on them.

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Response to mcar (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:46 PM

25. Howabout that virginia foxxxx...

😣

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Response to sprinkleeninow (Reply #25)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:02 PM

42. Ugh don't remind me

She’s not only my esteemed (gag) representative, but she lives about two miles from me. How lucky am I? 🙄

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Response to moose65 (Reply #42)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:58 PM

74. Hope you don't hafta see her pie face ever in real time. Sheesh.

She has this self satisfaction about her.

Hay lady, wait till you're replaced with a Dem someday. We'll see how your 'aura' is then.

Been in office much too long. Every election she gets in again. Blech.

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Response to sprinkleeninow (Reply #25)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:02 AM

106. Do not remind me

Out of touch, granny posing with Trump! Ugh

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #106)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:55 PM

118. There you go. That's it.

She appears on the TV, I want to 🤤.

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Response to mcar (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:00 PM

39. Her Justice Democrats have already decided to put Cori Bush up against Lacy Clay again....

....next year in the primary. Clay defeated her 57% to 37% last year. I guess they're not going to build much on that 9% success rate of their endorsed candidates.

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Response to George II (Reply #39)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:10 PM

44. Just waste money and time

that could be spent fighting Republicans.

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Response to mcar (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:51 PM

61. um...to be fair, so does Pelosi

 

she has harsher words for "the squad" than for the Democrats who tried to unseat her--what's up with that?

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Response to shanny (Reply #61)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:05 PM

63. Um, no

Pelosi is far harder on Republicans, as she should be.

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Response to mcar (Reply #63)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:18 PM

70. Contrast wasn't between "the squad" and Republicans

 

but rather "the squad" and the Democrats who tried to unseat her

so, um, yes...unless you have some evidence to back up your claim. Do you?

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Response to shanny (Reply #61)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:00 PM

84. Did any of those who tried to unseat her...

.... call her or any other Democrat part of the "child abuse caucus" ? Or assert that she is "racially insensitive"?

So what's up with that?

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #84)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:04 AM

112. Or protest at her office?

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Response to shanny (Reply #61)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:20 AM

99. Nancy is right.. AOC is Wrong on this..





Nancy's thinking about Winning the House Again in 2020..

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Response to Cha (Reply #99)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:06 AM

107. That guy is going against

The long time Black Caucus. His head will be handed to him on a platter.

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Response to True Blue American (Reply #107)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:16 AM

108. You put that so nice

and succinctly, True Blue American.

As AOC's COS.. he did her no favors in the House and no favors with many Americans who see his tweet for what it is. Despicable.



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Response to mcar (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:00 PM

83. Excellent point

The flipped seats essentially are all moderates who made Trump and his tax bill the issue last fall, in these predominantly suburban districts where the middle class residents pay way over $10K a year in state and local taxes. The GOP figures that the there's a decent chance that these voters will shift the blame from Trump to their local officials for needing that much money to run local government, and might well flip back to a Republican next year, even if they vote against Trump.

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #83)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:07 AM

113. I would think they'd be susceptible to the "socialism" meme

that you know the Rs are going to try to tar them with.

They are representing their constituents. We need them to be reelected to keep the House. AOC and Co doesn't seem to get that basic fact.

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Response to mcar (Reply #113)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 02:30 PM

117. Oh, yes

that will be trotted out against anyone we nominate.

My theory is that these suburban voters just wanted to send a message to Trump that they were displeased with the way the tax bill was written, but they're not normally inclined to vote Democratic. Everyone knows that a House seat is just for two years, and if they thought there was a chance that Trump would lose, they'd want a GOP House member to counter MFA, reparations, etc.

AOC and her little band of attention seekers are always seeing the good as the enemy of the perfect.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:11 PM

67. +1

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:16 PM

77. Think again. All the loud progressives won safe seats.

2018 was a moderate victory where we switched seat that could easily switch back.

The speaker knows this as does the vast majority of her caucus.

Publicly cutting loose the few very progressive members and making them seem outside the mainstream of the party will not threaten our majority. Allowing them to become the face of the party does.

We have a more moderate house in the majority than we did in the minority. That will continue if we want to keep the majority.

I’m not making a value judgment. That’s just the way it is.

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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #77)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:53 PM

81. You're right

We should be completely and utterly satisfied with just staving off the worst of the Trump administration, and if he's replaced in the 2020 election, simply holding the point with where we are is as much as could possibly be hoped for another generation or two. Anyone who's been left behind or who isn't served by the status quo just needs to be patient. Maybe their grandchildren will realize a larger share of the American Dream, but that isn't for the present generation, and trying to hurry that process threatens our majority.

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Response to gratuitous (Reply #81)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:16 PM

90. I get your point. But it makes no real point!

In fact, you tacitly admit where America is.

When I said I make no value judgment I was being honest.

I support Universal Healthcare today. Not Medicare for all but that would better than what we have now!

In fact, I support the entire Democratic Platform from 16, which was very progressive and I expect 20’s to be so as well. Hopefully more so.

I’m no socialist in that I don’t support government controlling business. But very few Americans support that.

But I am also realistic. Most Americans are to the right of me. Even most democrats. Seeing reality and tempering our goals is no dishonor as long as we don’t lose sight of our ultimate objective.

Look how long it took the Democratic Party to go from SS and such of FDR to Civil Rights, Medicare, Medicaid of LBJ! And not for lack of will! But lack of public support!

If we as a party run on things that will result in a loss, while honorable, will result in exactly nothing.

Don’t think for a minute that the pragmatist of the party don’t share your goals. We just realize it won’t be quick and if we are in the minority we will get nothing.

Americans want Normalcy right now. Not radical ideas. Give the Normalcy and the radical ideas will start to seem less radical.


We share the same general goals. Honorable people can disagree on how to get there.








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Response to GulfCoast66 (Reply #90)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 06:57 AM

109. Agreed 10BX nt

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:19 PM

13. Backbencher says wut?

4.7 followers on Twitter. That's a lot more than four votes. That's grassroots activists in the making.

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #13)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:25 PM

17. Wait, you're using # of Twitter followers as an important metric?



I heard someone else bragging about his social media followers today.

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Response to mcar (Reply #17)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:35 PM

21. In this case, AOC's followers are a potential voting block that can swing some House races

to the challengers. If insurgent candidates like her really work hard, a number of Pelosi allies could lose their primaries. Of course, Pelosi herself won't be there too much longer anyway.

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #21)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:36 PM

22. If AOC allies win primaries in districts like Clay's,

Republicans will win those districts. Do you really think an AOC type could win in a district that Dotard took?

We are a big tent for very good reasons.

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Response to mcar (Reply #22)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:43 PM

33. Well, they can't blow any more races than the DCCC has over the last ten years.

It took a total clusterfuck like Trump to get the majority back.

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #21)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:06 PM

43. AOC endorsed candidate lost to Lacy Clay last year

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Response to JI7 (Reply #43)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:13 PM

48. Last year very few people knew her.

She hadn't won her own race yet.

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Response to JI7 (Reply #43)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:07 PM

119. Didn't she and Bernie back the candidate?

he lost most of those he backed.

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Response to mcar (Reply #17)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:48 PM

34. Yeah....there's tweeting (like Trump does). And there's doing the job, which is legislating.

Some of the new kids on the block don't seem to understand that they've graduated from cheerleading activism to legislating.

Legislating requires behind the scenes grunt work. You don't get on tv for it. You don't have much time to tweet. But that's what the job of a U S Representative is.

Cortez crossed a line when accusing her fellow Democrats and her leader of racism. How disruptive. And how bad for getting things done...which is what Cortez professes she wants to do (but which she actually has not done at all).

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Response to Honeycombe8 (Reply #34)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:11 PM

46. She sure did cross a line

They don't get that legislating is far more than social media.

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Response to mcar (Reply #17)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:53 PM

62. wait: how many Democrats in the House voted against that bill?

 

Was it more than 4? If so (hint: it was), why is Pelosi focusing her ire on "the squad"?

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Response to shanny (Reply #62)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:08 PM

87. Because the Speaker was accused ...

Last edited Sat Jul 13, 2019, 11:48 AM - Edit history (1)

.... of being a racist and their allies accuse their fellow democrates of being a "child abuse caucus".

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #87)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 03:47 AM

94. No they didn't.

 

Check your facts.

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Response to shanny (Reply #94)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 11:31 AM

121. For the topic of this thread....

.... I think the opening paragraph is good enough:

Rep. Wm. Lacy Clay (D-Mo.) unloaded on Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-N.Y.) on Wednesday for "using the race card” after Ocasio-Cortez accused Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) of being racially insensitive.


As for the comment about the child abuse caucus,
Pocan is certainly ailed with them.

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #13)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:01 PM

41. How many of them will vote on legislation in the House? For that matter, how many of them....

....will vote in next year's 14th District Democratic Primary or General Election?

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Response to George II (Reply #41)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:11 PM

45. Interesting question.

How many WON'T vote at all, unless there's an AOC to persuade them?

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #45)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:13 PM

47. How many are Democrats?

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Response to George II (Reply #47)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:15 PM

50. None, until they have a reason to vote.

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #50)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:22 PM

58. The fact is, of those "4.7" (I assume you meant million) very few if any will be voting...

...for her in next year's elections and NONE will be voting for any legislation on the House floor. For that matter, we don't even know how many either aren't old enough to vote or are even Americans!

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Response to George II (Reply #58)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:01 AM

110. or for that matter, even people. nt

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #45)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:14 PM

49. Any registered Democrat who doesn't vote in 2020

unless their vote is suppressed, has no business complaining about anything. This ongoing "be nice to me or I won't vote" threat is childish and immature. Voting is so much more than who excites you. We have an existential threat in the WH and Senate.

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Response to mcar (Reply #49)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:19 PM

55. Well, let's denigrate their favorite politicians, marginalize them, other them,

and see how many of them show up when it counts.

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #55)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:21 PM

57. How about they grow up and realize that politics isn't about them?

It's about what can be done in the best interests of this country. I can't believe we're hearing this again, after 2016.

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Response to mcar (Reply #57)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:11 PM

65. Altruism?

That's your go-to message to get out the vote?

Good luck turning out the persuadables with that.

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #65)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:11 PM

68. Good luck with defeating Dotard and McConnell with AOC's message

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Response to mcar (Reply #68)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:22 PM

79. Sorry but some of AOCs antics are akin to carrying water for

The Republicans

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Response to redstateblues (Reply #79)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:10 AM

114. +1

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #55)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:41 PM

71. "Denigrate their favorite politicians"? How do we know who their favorite politicians are...

....through twitter?

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Response to George II (Reply #71)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:14 PM

88. That's just it.

YOU DON'T!

So why tempt fate? You could be alienating people we need now, and for the future.

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #55)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:59 PM

82. Sounds like they need to grow the hell up then. nt

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Response to UniteFightBack (Reply #82)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:18 PM

91. You go tell them we don't want their vote, then,

until they grow up.

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #13)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:53 PM

73. She has 4.7 million followers, but only 14,500 likes. Obviously most of her followers don't like...

...what she's saying.

On the other hand, I have only 100 followers and 4,500 likes, most of my followers like what I'm saying. I have about 15,000 more likes per follower than she does.

See how twitter works?

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Response to George II (Reply #73)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:10 AM

115. Math for the win!

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Response to House of Roberts (Reply #13)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:22 AM

100. I don't care.. she's Wrong.





Nancy's thinking about Winning the House Again in 2020..

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:27 PM

18. Does her Chief of Staff not know

That those "Southern Democrats from the 40s" are all Retrumplicans now?

What a fucking idiot. That's like blaming Democrats for the Strom Thurmond of the 90s

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Response to maxrandb (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:28 PM

19. The rhetoric is disturbing, max

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Response to maxrandb (Reply #18)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 07:44 AM

111. Doubtful!

If he is as young s AOC he needs a History lesson.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:51 PM

26. AOC's Co'S needs to go

His comment was totally inappropriate

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Response to ripcord (Reply #26)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:54 PM

27. It really was

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:54 PM

28. new Southern Democrats? What are they thinking?

Those Southern Democrats are the fringe right of the Republican Party. Don't know who these new Southern Democrats are they talk about but they need to focus on beating Republicans instead of Democrats.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:27 PM

29. No wonder Justice Democrats believed all the Russian propaganda.

Always the victims of something or other.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #29)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:15 PM

51. Now we're getting the same old

if you're mean to us, we won't vote threats. Like they haven't learned anything from 2016 and don't really care that Dotard could be reelected because Democrats are "pure" enough.

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Response to mcar (Reply #51)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:09 PM

64. I think sometimes they wake up and realize that Republicans are the enemy

but then slide back into their ideology which demands they believe that the real reason Americans cannot get the progressive programs they want is because "you've got a Congress indebted to wealthy campaign contributors."

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Response to betsuni (Reply #64)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:11 PM

66. If only the "revolution" would start

Then they'd be happy. Not willing to even vote, but hey, they'll go on Twitter!

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Response to mcar (Reply #66)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:46 PM

80. Seems to me that voting is a heck of a lot less trouble than a revolution.

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Response to betsuni (Reply #80)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:12 AM

116. Yep

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:35 PM

30. The Pushback of the Entrenched begins

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:42 PM

31. Alexandria Ocasio Cortez

is the future of our party.

Get on board. Or don't.

I am betting on LIBERALS.

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Response to warmfeet (Reply #31)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:51 PM

35. On what do you base that?

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Response to warmfeet (Reply #31)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:24 PM

59. US has never been a left-center country, ever..

If you think US is going to be a liberal outpost, gots lots to learn about those of us in the middle.

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Response to beachbum bob (Reply #59)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:15 PM

69. lol

 

it is right now, and has been for some time. I'll bet that left-center country even includes you.

The Economy
82 percent of Americans think wealthy people have too much power and influence in Washington.
<snip>
Inequality
82 percent of Americans think economic inequality is a “very big” (48 percent) or “moderately big” (34 percent) problem. Even 69 percent of Republicans share this view.
<snip>
Money in Politics
96 percent of Americans—including 96 percent of Republicans—believe money in politics is to blame for the dysfunction of the U.S. political system.
<snip>
Education
63 percent of registered voters—including 47 percent of Republicans—of Americans favor making four-year public colleges and universities tuition-free.

There's more at the link. On:
Taxes
Minimum Wage
Healthcare
Climate Change!
Gun Safety
Criminal Justice
Immigration!
Abortion & Women's Health
Same-Sex Marriage

Americans agree with the left* position, frequently by huge majorities.
"Few Americans call themselves “progressive,” or think they share similar views with citizens of social democracies like Canada, Denmark, and Germany. But on most major issues, Americans lean left. Although Trump, the corporate plutocracy, and the so-called alt-right may think otherwise, the United States is a more decent and democratic society than we give it credit for."


https://prospect.org/article/most-americans-are-liberal-even-if-they-don’t-know-it

*so at what point do these positions stop being far-left as opposed to middle of the road? Asking for a friend.

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Response to warmfeet (Reply #31)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:49 PM

60. I'd rather not have Republicans in power for 100 years till we get to your "future".

But if that's your plan, it's a bold one.

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Response to dem4decades (Reply #60)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:44 PM

72. Don't worry: we don't have 100 years.

 

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Response to warmfeet (Reply #31)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:32 AM

102. No.. We got the House in 2018 mostly

because of Moderates.

Insulting Dems is Not going to be the "future" of our party.




Nancy's thinking about Winning the House Again in 2020..

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:43 PM

32. If Nancy Pelosi was "singling out" those for because they are WOC, then why hasn't she...

..."singled out" Sharice Davids, Lauren Underwood, Lucy McBath or Jahana Hayes?

So I guess it's NOT that they're "WOC".

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Response to George II (Reply #32)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:17 PM

52. Good question

Maybe it's just some WOC, which renders AOC's ridiculous claim moot.

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Response to mcar (Reply #52)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:19 PM

54. It's not even that. People seem to forget that Nancy Pelosi is, gasp, a WOMAN!

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Response to George II (Reply #54)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:20 PM

56. Old, Turd Way, corporatist

Blah, blah, blah.

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Response to George II (Reply #32)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:00 PM

85. I guess because they don't run their mouth every hour of every day, that is the PATTERN. nt

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:54 PM

37. FTR, they were 4 No votes out of 95 Dem No votes

Pelosi made a decision that rather than go to conference with the Senate, she would accept the Senate bill. I can see why because of all the news reports of the horrendous conditions - which are a feature, not a bug - created by Trump's immigration policies. She wanted to make sure if money was the actual problem (imho, it isn't), that the funds were available and to take away that excuse.

But this was not a popular decision within her caucus as the Dem vote breakdown shows: only 129 (52%) supported it. Pelosi made a hard decision and tough call. That's her job as Speaker and leader of the majority. There was no need to get snippy at the freshmen who voted against it when many liberals like Jerry Nadler voted against the bill, too.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #37)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:18 PM

53. How many are taking to Twitter to attack fellow Democrats?

I get that it was a tough vote, but most members understand that sometimes votes are hard.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #37)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:20 PM

78. i feel like it was stupid to give trump that money with no oversight

isn't that what aoc is saying too?

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Response to questionseverything (Reply #78)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:15 PM

89. I think that what was said (tweeted) was...

that that those who voted for the bill are members of the "child abuse caucus". I think the follow on message was that the speaker is racist.

I'm not sure how that is going to help out.

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #89)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:24 PM

92. i dont do twitter and i am not defending that kind of font

but I stand by my original thought that we should of demanded oversight on how this admin spent that money

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #89)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:33 PM

93. That was Marc Pocan

Here is the story from The Hill: https://thehill.com/homenews/house/450717-progressive-democrat-after-border-defeat-since-when-did-problem-solvers-become

Ahead of the scheduled vote, Rep. Josh Gottheimer (D-N.J.), a leader of the Problem Solvers Caucus, reportedly told Pelosi the caucus had the votes to defeat a rule including additional language providing for the explicit protection of migrant children and cutting funds to Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).

Center-right members signaled concerns that cuts to ICE could be used as attacks on Democratic candidates in future elections.

"That is terrible policy, terrible politics all around for many of these front-line members," a House aide told The Hill.

The caucus’s liberal wing argued that the specific language in the bill was necessary to ensure the emergency funds it authorizes are only put toward the care of migrant children.

"This is not a controversial or radical idea," Rep. David Cicilline (D-R.I.) said earlier Thursday. "This is about our basic humanity and the responsibility we have for the children who are in our custody."


It really appears in this case, the "problem solvers" were the "problem makers". It's disconserting that some members are worried that cutting ICE, an agency all of America can now see is completely out of control, is going to doom their re-election chances.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #93)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 11:14 AM

120. I think that their worries...

... are based on the reality of their political situation. For a Representative in the house "all of America" doesn't count for as much as "my constituents" do. They know their district and they have to act accordingly.

But as far as "all of America" is concerned, you may be underestimating the support that ICE has, and overestimating the concern.

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #120)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 02:11 PM

122. My reps is a Dem centrist, too, but last night

in a the area of his district that voted for Trump, there was a vigil (one of the nationwide ones) to protest what is being done, in our name, to other human beings at our southern border.

Sometimes you have to do what is right, consequences notwithstanding.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #122)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 02:31 PM

124. I would say that, yes, sometimes you do ...

... have to do what is right. And sometimes voting for a bill that provides aid to the children being held on the Southern boarder IS the right thing to do.

Even if the bill isn't perfect.

By the way, my rep, Elijah Comings, is a member of the House Progressive Caucus. Not considered a centrist. He voted for the bill. I'm glad he did.

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Response to reACTIONary (Reply #124)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 04:38 PM

127. Yes, sometimes you have a Hobson's choice

That's where Dems ended up. But the centrists created that Hobson's choice because they were afraid. I guess I have more faith in my fellow Americans than others do. I think when you can make a clear case for holding the CBP and ICE agents accountable because of what they purposely are doing, you should do so. I think Americans respect that. These reps are going to be attacked regardless of how they voted. My personal code is when faced with "da***d if you do and da***d if you don't", do what is right. But, YMMV.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:02 PM

86. I'd like to know why I can't leave a message for AOC at her office. Thought I called McConnell for

a minute.

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Response to mcar (Original post)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 04:56 AM

103. I lulz'd

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