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Thu Jul 11, 2019, 01:44 PM

The Way it looks At The Start, Is Not How It Ends.

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..Sunday, 22 June 1941, and Dunkirk

Dunkirk is when the allied soldiers escaped from France as the Germans took over that country. Yes, tens of thousands of soldiers escaped to fight another time. Times looked very bad for the allies against Nazi Germany.

Sunday, 22 June 1941 German invasion of the Soviet Union. Looked very bad for many months as the Germans advanced to Moscow. Evidently the Soviet leader, Stalin, was taken by surprise by the invasion. . The deaths defy description. 26 Million Soviets died as a result of the invasion, and 11 million Soviet soldiers died. This is actually hard to believe. And it was 78 years ago. Yet, the Soviet Union survived and Nazi Germany lost.

So what is the point? How does this relate to problems today? Trump is acting one way on July, 11, 2019. Our side is acting differently. We know who is good and who is evil. It may look like it is moving a certain direction.

Question: How will this be in November 2020? No one knows. Judging today's events as the "answer" and the Way it Will End, is meaningless. Anything can happen to change how things are going. It looked a certain way at Dunkirk, and the Nazi German Invasion of the Soviet Union on June 22, 1941. It turned out totally different.

No one knows how current situation with Trump, Democrats, Republicans, Congress, and the Courts will end. No matter how it looks, things can turn out totally different than what we expect or predict. November 2020 is 16 months away. Anything can happen in the future and often does.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:03 PM

1. Wait, are you suggesting we not play it safe, but fight with all we've got?

I don’t know how that will go over in the crucial swing districts...


I reject this as our motto:
“Better to have lost without fighting, than to fight and then lose”

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:13 PM

3. I am suggesting that we fight, but at the same time look to the future,

and keep in mind that this battle, is not our last battle. Especially if we are going to be in good shape to fight for the election of a new president in November 2020. We must be resilient and strong. The battles now may seem to the most important, but the first primary doesn't happen till Feb 2020. That is not tomorrow or next week. We have to save our strength to fight the battles to come. Let Trump run out of energy, then maybe he won't run for reelection. But that is in the future and we will see.

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Response to Fiendish Thingy (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:26 PM

5. +1000

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:06 PM

2. I'm listening to the book, "Symphony for the City of the Dead" right now.

My jaw has dropped repeatedly with "holy shit, how did they get out of that?!" moments - both about individuals and cities/nations. You are absolutely right. I refuse to give up hope that our nation of laws and accountability will ultimately prevail. I'm staying in the fight.

On a side note: For those who like book recommendations and enjoy history and/or music, I cannot recommend this highly enough. The audible version is fantastic because it includes snippets of the music as well as the narrative. Shostakovich's 7th symphony is my favorite long orchestral work, and I never knew the full story behind it. Talk about something that had a shockingly small chance of ever seeing the light of day, wow!
https://www.amazon.com/Symphony-City-Dead-Shostakovich-Leningrad/dp/1531863183

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:23 PM

4. Excellent points thx for sharing

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:30 PM

6. It's not just Trump we need to kick to the curb.

McConnell, Graham and Grassley also need to go down with the ship.

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Response to Initech (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:32 PM

7. You are totally correct, If I had to choose from those 3, I'd pick turtle.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:24 PM

8. And we'll fight them in the courts (voter suppression) and fight them in the Senate

and neutralize Mitch McConnell as the biggest blocker in Congress.

it's going to take some time to undo Trump's damage since he's been packing the federal courts with RW extremists.

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Response to IronLionZion (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:28 PM

10. The courts are what scare me the most. nt

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Response to trev (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:20 PM

13. Indeed, we've been losing check and balance power over the other 2 branches

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:27 PM

9. But unlike today's electronic elections, wars back then had a certain "truth" about them

That is, that you either won or lost.

These days, what with all the e-voting and e-tabulation machines - which, besides, were specifically designed to be easily tampered with - there's really no way of knowing anymore if the results are accurate.

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:45 PM

11. Check it out

Boston Braves in 1914
New York Mets in 1969

(In which case the Braves and the Mets were the good guy, feeling very, very depressed and nervous at mid-season.)

(There's always a baseball metaphor to show the way!)

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Response to Stuart G (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:45 PM

12. He who has the most to lose

...usually loses.

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