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Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:18 AM

Citizen Census Question. Who is going to stop him?

SCOTUS already said no. Congress will not authorize it. But we have long passed a point were there is a legal authority or Rule of Law in this country. He will have the Census printed with the Citizen question, it will be used, and there is no one in power to stop it.

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Reply Citizen Census Question. Who is going to stop him? (Original post)
edhopper Jul 11 OP
Freethinker65 Jul 11 #1
el_bryanto Jul 11 #2
watoos Jul 11 #3
Bettie Jul 11 #8
dalton99a Jul 11 #18
cwydro Jul 11 #20
hlthe2b Jul 11 #4
edhopper Jul 11 #9
hlthe2b Jul 11 #12
edhopper Jul 11 #13
hlthe2b Jul 11 #15
OnDoutside Jul 11 #16
edhopper Jul 11 #21
hlthe2b Jul 11 #22
edhopper Jul 11 #27
Thekaspervote Jul 11 #30
atreides1 Jul 11 #32
maxsolomon Jul 11 #47
edhopper Jul 11 #49
hlthe2b Jul 11 #50
edhopper Jul 11 #51
RKP5637 Jul 11 #5
FBaggins Jul 11 #6
no_hypocrisy Jul 11 #7
edhopper Jul 11 #10
no_hypocrisy Jul 11 #14
edhopper Jul 11 #23
edhopper Jul 11 #11
hlthe2b Jul 11 #17
edhopper Jul 11 #24
radical noodle Jul 11 #26
edhopper Jul 11 #28
radical noodle Jul 11 #38
edhopper Jul 11 #40
radical noodle Jul 11 #41
edhopper Jul 11 #42
radical noodle Jul 11 #44
edhopper Jul 11 #45
Thekaspervote Jul 11 #33
PoliticAverse Jul 11 #19
edhopper Jul 11 #25
PoliticAverse Jul 11 #31
edhopper Jul 11 #34
Runningdawg Jul 11 #29
PoliticAverse Jul 11 #35
edhopper Jul 11 #36
no_hypocrisy Jul 11 #37
radical noodle Jul 11 #43
radical noodle Jul 11 #39
PoindexterOglethorpe Jul 11 #46
Runningdawg Jul 11 #48

Response to edhopper (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:22 AM

1. Use a sharpie to redact it?

Instruct census takers to not ask the question?

ACLU has said they will fight any executive census action.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:22 AM

2. Possibly it would trigger a constitutional crisis

I think his argument would be something along the lines of "The Supreme Court was going to approve the question, but we didn't get into them in a form they could approve. So since we knew they would eventually approve it, and because there is a time limit, we are going to go ahead and do it. Let the Democrats challenge it in the courts if they want; but if it's on the census there's not much they can do."

It depends on whether the congress would act on this (i don't think so) or if Roberts will be offended at having the process short cutted (possible - but nothing I would put any money on (if I had any money)).

Bryant

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:22 AM

3. C'mon man, it's too soon,

we are storing up our powder and keeping it dry until after the election. Just look at Republicans, they are using up all of their powder now.

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Response to watoos (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:55 AM

8. I hear it is really, really dry

and that there is a lot of it...if there is ever an emergency, well, there will be more powder added to the warehouse.

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Response to watoos (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:08 AM

18. Humidity is high in D.C. Wouldn't be prudent. Wait until 2021

or later in the century



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Response to watoos (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:13 AM

20. I know, right?

Getting drier everyday!

And hey, itís 3D chess or something!

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:56 AM

9. And then?

The Courts rule against him and he still goes forward. Who stops it?

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Response to edhopper (Reply #9)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:58 AM

12. The court enjoins Dept. of Commerce. They ignore the injunction the courts order officials

jailed on contempt. The NY court has already indicated some consideration for an injunction.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:59 AM

13. By whom

the DOJ? He stops that.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #13)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:03 AM

15. I'm not going to entertain a constant back & forth of "the sky is falling and all is hopeless"....

Not all in public service are so readily corrupted. But, if it warms the cockles of your heart to diminish all hope for those you encounter and communicate with, so be it. You will likely be joined by others today, but it surely DOES NOT HELP.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:06 AM

16. +1

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:38 AM

21. The Mueller hamstringing

should tell you what will happen.

I have seen no evidence since this Orange Asshole took office that anyone in government will do anything to stop him.

He violates the Law and the Constitution on a daily basis with no repercussions.

You reference Chicken Little. I'll reference the proverbial Ostrich.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #21)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:39 AM

22. No one here (or at least few) are naive to the challenges, though claiming superiority in that

context appears to be very important to you.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #22)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:46 AM

27. I am not sure what youu mean by that.

My whole point is that relying on the Courts or some other part of Government to stop on this him is overly optimistic.

I see many say it will be taken care of when the Courts rule against him. He is ignoring the Courts and will continue to do so.

More than a few here don't see that.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:50 AM

30. Thank you!! We can't give in or even act as if we are giving in

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:51 AM

32. Those not readily corrupted, will resign!!!

Because so far, that's what they've done, resigned!

You're correct, not all in public service are so readily corrupted...the problem is that they're not likely to stand up and fight either.

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #32)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:55 AM

47. indignant resignations serve their purposes just as well as acquiesence.

hollowing out the professional, competent bureaucracy.

the democratic purge of trumpists in 2021 is going to be epic.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:16 PM

49. I am happy to see I was wrong about his actions today

on the Census question.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #49)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:19 PM

50. I'm happy we have won this one, but you are right that they will be relentless in trying ANYTHING

and we have to be on guard indefinitely.

Go drink a beer or a glass of wine or have some ice cream. Tomorrow the fight begins again and we need the stamina for the long term.



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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #50)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:50 PM

51. Thanks


We need to win everything in 2020.
That is if we last the next 17 months.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:27 AM

5. More and more a F'en dictatorship with this guy. And what about the media that is biased about

republicans, and he said he's going to have to do something about that. What's that ... an executive order to end free speech...

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:42 AM

6. SCOTUS didn't actually say no

The ruling didn't say that it's unconstitutional to include a citizenship question in the Census... in fact, the majority concluded that such a question did not run afoul of the enumeration clause... the court just said that they didn't believe the stated reasoning that it was to better enforce voting-rights laws.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:48 AM

7. How about this: if a statute enacted by Congress can be subject to constitutional challenge

in court, so can an Executive Order.
https://www.jurist.org/archives/feature/executive-orders-and-the-supreme-court/

1. File a complaint that includes a stay/temporary restraining order.
2. While the matter is being analyzed by the court, make claim that the deadline to print is too late to put a citizenship question on it and the point of the EO is moot.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:57 AM

10. And the Courts rule against him

then he still does it. What is to stop him?

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Response to edhopper (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:01 AM

14. A play for time. By the time you get a court ruling, it's too late to include the

citizenship question.

Plus, same issue: Trump would have to have a valid reason to put it on and we have evidence that he wants it for re-districting congressional seats.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #14)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:39 AM

23. He will have them printed with the Citizen Question by EO

the only thing it will be too late for is changing that.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:58 AM

11. Some people here think this is a legal question,

it's not, it is a question of there not being any authority that will stop him.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:08 AM

17. You sound as though you are ready...

to pass the kool-aid and give up.

Not me.

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #17)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:41 AM

24. How about

Impeaching the Mother Fucker and kicking the GOP's as in 2020.

Half measures and waiting for the Courts is pretty useless at this point.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #24)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:46 AM

26. Impeach him and he's still in office

how does that help anything?

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Response to radical noodle (Reply #26)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:47 AM

28. Letting him continue with no repercussions

how does that hurt him?

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Response to edhopper (Reply #28)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:00 AM

38. Pay attention to what really hurts him

It sure isn't a fight like that, because he thrives on fights. When we punish our kids, we make the punishment something that makes them regret what they did. Impeachment won't do that. The only thing that might affect him is to take away his money or his freedom, something that can only be done after he leaves office.

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Response to radical noodle (Reply #38)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:05 AM

40. And if they steal the next election too?

I know there are opinions both ways, mine is that impeachment hurts him in the election. His followers will back him no matter what. But the percentage of independents he needs will move away from him.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #40)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:23 AM

41. I'm not convinced an impeachment

that "exonerates" him in the Senate will affect independents that way. It could be seen as purely partisan.

Stealing the next election is a real possibility and avoiding that is where we need to put our fight. JMHO.

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Response to radical noodle (Reply #41)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:25 AM

42. Depends what the Impeachment hearings turn up.

it will be more than lying about a blowjob I guarantee.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #42)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:35 AM

44. It would take eons

to document all trump's misdeeds, for sure.

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Response to radical noodle (Reply #44)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:42 AM

45. QFT

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Response to hlthe2b (Reply #17)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:51 AM

33. Me either.... it isn't helpful

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:11 AM

19. SCOTUS remanded the case back...

The judgment of the United States District Court for the Southern District of New York is affirmed in part and reversed in part, and the case is remanded for further proceedings consistent with this opinion.

https://casetext.com/case/department-of-commerce-v-new-york

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #19)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:42 AM

25. He doesn't care how the Courts ultimately rule

he is doing it by executive fiat and there is no authority to stop him.

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Response to edhopper (Reply #25)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:51 AM

31. Then why didn't he do that in all the other cases the courts have ruled against him ? n/t

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Response to PoliticAverse (Reply #31)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:52 AM

34. The Courts rulled that seperating familes is illegal

how did that go?

He actually has been working around the courts the whole time.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:48 AM

29. WE stop it by refusing to answer the question

What are they going to do - knock on every door in America?

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Response to Runningdawg (Reply #29)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:52 AM

35. Well they did that in my area in 2000 apparently because compliance was so low. n/t

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Response to Runningdawg (Reply #29)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:54 AM

36. They do knock on every door.

But the whole point is to make non-citizen immigrants afraid to do the census.

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Response to Runningdawg (Reply #29)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:54 AM

37. The issue is not whether or how we answer the citizenship question.

How do we get my Hispanic and Arab neighbors to fill out and send in THEIR census forms? My region is quite ethnically diverse and we can lose A LOT OF FEDERAL FUNDING and Congressional representation without their participation.

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Response to no_hypocrisy (Reply #37)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:31 AM

43. Find a way to convince them

that not returning the census will draw more attention to them than simply not answering the question.

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Response to Runningdawg (Reply #29)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:02 AM

39. Exactly

what I plan to do.

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Response to edhopper (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:42 AM

46. I thought they were already printing up the Census forms.

So isn't it already too late?

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Response to PoindexterOglethorpe (Reply #46)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 01:52 PM

48. Last I heard he was going to use an EO

to ram it through and then print up addendums, not sure if those will be mailed at the same time as the census or separately. But supposedly, they are already printed as well.

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