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AOC Fires Back at ‘Outright Disrespectful’ Pelosi for ‘Explicit Singling Out of Newly-Elected Women of Color’

By Reed RichardsonJul 10th, 2019, 9:47 pm

The ongoing strains between the House Democrats’ newest, most progressive members and the party’s senior leadership came into view once again, as outspoken Congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez publicly fired back at a not-so-subtle dressing down she and her left-wing colleagues received from Speaker Nancy Pelosi: “It got to a point where it was just outright disrespectful.”

According to a new Washington Post article, Ocasio-Cortez and three of her House allies, Ayanna Pressley (D-MA), Rashida Tlaib (D-MI), and Ilhan Omar (D-MN) increasingly feel isolated by the party caucus leaders. This was again the case on Wednesday when Pelosi warned her fellow Democrats, in a closed-door meeting, not to criticize their Congressional colleagues in public.

“You got a complaint? You come and talk to me about it. But do not tweet about our members and expect us to think that that is just okay,” Pelosi reportedly told her caucus.

Though the Speaker didn’t single out anyone by name in that meeting, Ocasio-Cortez said the implication of who she was directing her comments toward was clear. It was interpreted as yet another slight from the Speaker toward “the Squad,” as Pelosi has reportedly taken to calling the four Congresswomen. Last week, Pelosi more openly dismissed them in a New York Times column by Maureen Dowd, where she was quoted joking about the “public whatever” and “Twitter world” of the four Congresswomen, calling them merely “four votes.”

Ocasio-Cortez has clearly had enough.

“When these comments first started, I kind of thought that she was keeping the progressive flank at more of an arm’s distance in order to protect more moderate members, which I understood,” AOC told the Post. “But the persistent singling out . . . it got to a point where it was just outright disrespectful . . . the explicit singling out of newly elected women of color.”

After an early honeymoon period between the freshman Congressman and the 16-term Speaker, the pair’s relationship has since gone completely sour, the Post reports.

“Now, half a year later, virtually all communication between the two women has ceased. The two have not spoken one-on-one since February when Ocasio-Cortez declined Pelosi’s personal request that she join her select committee on climate change, according to individuals who know both lawmakers.”

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:17 AM

1. What is her underlying suggestion here?

I stand with the speaker.

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Response to Watchfoxheadexplodes (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:42 AM

25. I stand with both--neither are 100% right, and both seemed to act similarly, just to different media

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #25)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:10 AM

47. This is, indeed, one of those rare times, where both sides have a point

maybe they could come together with that understanding

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Response to GusBob (Reply #47)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:20 PM

203. I agree

with your post too. This is a most critical time in our country we need to rally around our fellow democrats. Remember McConnell is watching all this and probably rubbing their hands together saying we got them again.

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Response to TheBlackAdder (Reply #25)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:21 AM

90. Yep!

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Response to Watchfoxheadexplodes (Reply #1)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 02:42 PM

158. i Stand with Nancy also.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:28 AM

2. Where I live, in CT, young progressives love AOC. She's bringing people into the Democratic party

who otherwise may have stayed unaffiliated, voted green, or not voted. There are a lot of disaffected, very left-leaning people who don't vote-and scolding or blaming them isn't going to bring them to the polls. Inspiring them will.

Pelosi is risking making these same people revert to disliking and distrusting the Democratic Party. I think she would do better to follow her own advice and keep her intraparty disagreements private.

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Response to femmedem (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:22 AM

12. Is there a poll you are getting this information from? Can you provide a link?

Or is this anecdotal and drawn from your friends and social media feeds?

And do you think that all Democratic congresspersons should "keep their intraparty disagreements private?"

Or just Pelosi?

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:52 AM

32. It's from an outfit called "Some People Have Said Polling Co."

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #32)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:58 AM

39. Oh, THAT one....

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #32)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:43 AM

72. Love That Answer

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Response to Post removed (Reply #139)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 01:16 PM

149. Yes, AOC should be upright longer than the speaker.

Question is, will she be upright in the House, or serving drinks at a bar? Has she done anything worthy of winning her 2020 primary in her district?

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #32)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 02:24 PM

155. That same poll

shows that AOC turns people off in my area.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #12)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:17 PM

190. My poll is the latest election results in my district where the green party candidate received 28.5%

of the vote for state rep.

I serve on the DTC and it is a real battle to persuade local progressives to vote for the Democrat.

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Response to femmedem (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:41 AM

24. BS

Voting is a responsibility. They need to stop acting like spoiled teenagers that need to be wooed to go to the prom and to what is right otherwise they can't complain about the consequences of their actions.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #24)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:46 AM

29. Really?

Demanding change isn't acting like spoiled teenagers. They aren't centrists and maybe certain people shouldn't demand they act like centrists.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #29)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:48 AM

30. But sitting home on election day is

because they "weren't inspired enough". If they really want change they need to vote and make sure their friends vote too.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #30)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:52 AM

33. True, but why does it seem

That this party does not want to make itself attractive to younger, more progressive voters? They have valid concerns with which they feel they have no voice, when term after term they are told to vote for a moderate candidate. AOC and her "squad" broke that mold and did in fact bring new people to the polls.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #33)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:00 AM

41. If they want to have a voice

they need to vote and not sit home like spoiled teenagers that didn't get their way.

Just look at the voter turnout by age group in the last two elections:
https://www.census.gov/content/census/en/library/stories/2019/04/behind-2018-united-states-midterm-election-turnout/jcr:content/par/image_copy.img.576.medium.jpg/1555959891829.jpg

Even with the big jump in 18, it is still pathetic compared to other age groups.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #41)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:06 AM

45. My simple point

is that these young candidates like Talib and AOC ARE bringing the young people into the process and we seem hell bent on chasing them away.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #45)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:11 AM

48. No one is chasing them away

But they can't always get their way. They need to learn that sometimes you lose on a vote or issue and not to whine about it like a spoiled child.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #48)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:39 AM

69. Here's my suggestion

I see what you're trying to say and what others are trying to convince you of.

So, if you really care about this discussion, try finding a cross section of young voters. Ones of different races, classes, professions, religions, income levels. Especially talk to ones that don't agree with you.

Then come back here and let us know if you think this is just a matter of people acting like spoiled children.

Because, frankly, you are tarring multiple groups with a very broad and very condescending brush.

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Response to ChicagoRonin (Reply #69)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:00 AM

78. We have a wonderful liberal arts college. I've been on campus many times for GOTV over the yrs

Unfortunately this age group has a bazillion different reasons why they didn’t vote. A new one each cycle. It’s sad..frankly

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #78)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:27 AM

93. Okay, so . . .

What are the reasons? Because if no one develops their attitudes or opinions in a vacuum.

Even if they are a crazy kaleidoscope of conflicts, there's usually some root behind it.

Any Millennials on this thread care to chime it?

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Response to ChicagoRonin (Reply #69)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:46 AM

105. What others?

And please don't presume to lecture me.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #105)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:50 AM

108. "What others?"

I was referring to the people who seem to be disagreeing with you.

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Response to ChicagoRonin (Reply #108)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:52 AM

113. Which is only you

Looking at the thread most seem to be agreeing with me and disagreeing with you.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #113)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:09 PM

120. I didn't just mean those

I was talking about people offering opinions different from yours in response to the original post.

No offense, but you are coming across as awfully hostile and reactive. Aren't we supposed to be leaving that behavior to the Republicans?

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Response to ChicagoRonin (Reply #120)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 01:16 PM

148. Again that was only you

However, there are a few offering opinions different from yours.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #113)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:38 PM

133. not me...



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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #113)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:12 AM

206. The fact that most people on DU agree or disagree with you is not relevant.

DU is a bubble, like all social media sites. I've lived all over the country since 2001, doing grassroots organizing. I have seen firsthand that millennials don't want to vote for Democrats because of centrist policies. This age cohort wants to have input into their own future, which our age cohorts have pretty much screwed up for them, between dysfunctional, money-infused politics and ignoring global climate change. I'm 55 and not a spoiled child. I will vote Dem but I'd rather vote FOR the party than just vote AGAINST the Republicans.

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Response to intheflow (Reply #206)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:23 AM

208. Very true

DU is a bubble.

However, Millennials need to learn that voting is a responsibility and not to sit home waiting to be wooed like a spoiled teenage. And the only way to get a political party to be responsive is to actually vote. As long as Millennials sit out elections, no political party is going to waste time and money on them. The parties will focus on groups that actually do vote and swing elections.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #208)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:29 PM

210. Can't we do both?

Because if we only focus on older potential voters, the party will die when they do. We need to do better outreach and advocacy to engage and develop the next generation.

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Response to intheflow (Reply #210)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 01:07 PM

211. Maybe

The problem is there is a danger of alienating the older more moderate voters, who actually vote, if Party panders to the more extremist younger voters, who don’t always vote. That’s what happened in the 80s.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #45)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:32 AM

65. Who is "chasing them away?" They're right there....

No, they don't get to be Speaker, or get more than one vote apiece, and people are going to disagree with them... but that's not 'chasing them away.'

Some people here don't seem to have much respect for their ability to handle themselves and endure being criticized.

Then again, AOC's tweets aren't the tweets of someone who handles criticism very well.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #65)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:44 AM

104. Good post nt

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #65)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:39 PM

195. Replying to criticism

is okay for Pelosi, but not Ocasio-Cortez. Okay, NOW I get it.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #195)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 08:50 AM

205. One rule for AOC, and another for anyone who disagrees with her.

Not the hallmark of a politician who will do well representing a diverse, liberal Democratic population.

However, appears she has set her goals for bigger things than representing the 14th district. Appearing at SXSW, and retaining a Hollywood agent seem to point to that.

Celebrity is a very compelling siren, especially for someone young, but even those nearing the end of their careers can get bitten by the call of cheering crowds and personal appearances.


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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #45)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:05 PM

118. you were just shown the data that shows that

even if they are bringing young people in, those young people are STILL being way outvoted by older people.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #118)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:41 PM

135. And most of those older people vote Republican every time.

Yet, when Republicans win, we have people here who absolve Republican voters of any responsibility for it, and place the entire blame on people who didn't vote for Republicans. It's really weird.

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Response to Mariana (Reply #135)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 01:15 PM

146. No people that didn't vote

for Dems who are against the GOP on every issue but still couldn't bother to go out and vote.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #45)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:20 PM

184. How are we chasing them away?

Pelosi is being pragmatic and realistic. The young candidates don't seem to understand what can and can't pass.

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Response to fallout87 (Reply #184)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:40 PM

196. And the slow march to the right continues

Gee, I wonder why young progressives are disenchanted.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #196)

Sat Jul 13, 2019, 06:30 PM

212. Disenchanted?

Or throwing a fit when they dont get their way?

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #41)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:54 PM

178. Interesting. Percentage increase in turnout from 2014 to 2018 was greatest among the 18-29 yo group.

Second greatest increase was among those aged 30 to 44. I'd say that's a trend worth encouraging.

Thanks for the info!

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #33)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:31 AM

64. easy

because younger, more progressive voters cannot be relied on to consistently vote in elections.

They usurp their own potential power.

If I have 10 customers, and 7 of them come in daily, and 3 of them sometimes come in and MIGHT bring in 2 more but only if they really feel happy about it...who am I going to cater to more...the 7 that come in daily and provide the bulk of my sales, or the 3 that sometimes come in and whom I have to woo at the risk of losing my steady customers and with no guarantee they will stay or bring in those 2 more?

AOC and her squad are not why we won in 2018 any more than the moderates who won in red districts are. They all have a share in that. We won in 2018 because we ran district by district. AOCs won their districts, moderates won their districts, and we didn't try to force any round pegs into square holes.

But AOC and her squad are not the Democratic Party Incarnate. They are PART of the big tent. An important part for sure, but just a part. They seem to act as if they are the entirety though sometimes.

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #64)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:43 AM

103. Well said nt

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #64)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:50 AM

110. +1000

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Response to qazplm135 (Reply #64)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:51 PM

137. I just hear: Silence them!

What harm does it really do for them to speak their peace?

We have only two parties in America. That means we have to have dissent and and we should just allow it.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #137)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 01:01 PM

140. well I can't help what you hear

What harm does it do for anyone to speak their peace then?

They speak and then guess what, folks get to critique that speech.

You don't want them to have the right to speak, they are already executing that.

You want them to have the right to speak with no dissent or criticism.

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #30)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:56 AM

36. it could be a one off or a trend but NEW voter turnout in 2020 is shaping up to be historic.

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #36)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:01 AM

43. I hope you're right

The more people that vote, the better Dems do.

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Response to HopeAgain (Reply #29)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:49 AM

106. Congress is there to legislate change, not "demand" it.

If they don't have the votes to pass what they want passed, then they need to work harder.

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Response to lapucelle (Reply #106)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:13 PM

123. It's almost as if some are shocked that the majority of votes determines what passes

and not "the MOST ENTHUSIASTIC OF ALL OF THEM!!!!!" because I'M MORE PASSIONATE about MY IDEAS than you all are about YOURS! I want it more so I DESERVE to say what goes, more than you all do! PEOPLE RETWEET ME A WHOLE LOT!"

I wonder where they could have gotten that idea?



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Response to ehrnst (Reply #123)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 01:16 PM

147. LOL nt

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Response to Trumpocalypse (Reply #24)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:20 PM

191. I'm not defending it. I'm relaying information.

I'm much more interested in winning their votes than in complaining about them.

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Response to femmedem (Reply #191)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:30 PM

193. Win their votes?

We should be more concerned with winning the votes of older swing voters. Those are the voters who gave us a majority in the House because those people actually go out and vote.

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Response to femmedem (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:46 PM

176. Get back to us at Election time...

AOC was elected in November. There hasn't been an election for these inspired young progressives to show up to.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #176)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:14 PM

189. Not true. We had a special election for state rep in my district.

The democrat won, but the green party candidate received 28.5% of the vote. Our local progressives' loyalty to the democratic party is tenuous at best.

Don't shoot the messenger.

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Response to femmedem (Reply #2)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:45 PM

198. Where I live in CT I'm seeing the opposite. I also have a lot of friends and some relatives....

....in Queens, some even in the 14th District. They're not happy with her. Her position on the Amazon deal is a big part of that.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:29 AM

3. Know what AOC?

I love you... I really do. I love your passion and your courage, but you have to understand that you belong to something bigger than yourself now.

You belong to the governing body of the greatest democracy on the face of the earth. You belong to history and there are rules. You are a SERVANT OF THE PEOPLE.

Nancy has been serving for many, many years and she is a brilliant politician. Perhaps it is time for you to learn at the knee of the master.

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:38 AM

4. It's the condescension in the last sentence that is not helpful.

Nobody likes being talked down to. The kissing of rings needs to stop.

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Response to theaocp (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:42 AM

5. It was outrageously stated, but

the sentiment is true. AOC could learn a few things from a politician as smart and experienced as Pelosi. I'm really tired of the bickering.

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Response to Ilsa (Reply #5)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 01:12 PM

144. And the bickering

is drowning out the messages that our presidential candidates need that airtime for.

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #144)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:03 PM

168. Agreed. We need to stand

united as a party, and not give Russian trolls and bots on Facebook and Twitter the means to rend us apart.

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Response to theaocp (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:19 AM

11. Have you ever played competitive sports?

This is the coach giving players a dressing down in the locker room, in front of the team, for not following the coach' play book.
Nothing More.

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:30 AM

16. +1000. It seems that some on the team are trying to be the coach and the quarterback

even in the rookie lineup.

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #11)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:07 PM

170. Great analogy

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Response to theaocp (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:23 AM

13. "Kissing of rings?"

Hyperbole doesn't lend credibility to one's arguments...

And by "talking down to" you mean like taking to twitter to compare a senior Democrat to a Trump enabler, because of a perceived eyeroll?

Particularly after one has said on national television that they have "zero f*cks to give" about anyone commenting about what they say to challenge those very senior Democrats?

You mean like that "talking down to?"

It sounds like someone expected "kissing of rings," and it's not Pelosi.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #13)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:40 AM

22. "knee of the master" n/t

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Response to theaocp (Reply #22)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:44 AM

28. ??

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #28)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:51 AM

31. It's the comment I originally replied to.

As I said, I don't find it helpful. Y'all can defend playing who got the last word between Pelosi and AOC, but somebody will need to stop the nonsense.

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Response to theaocp (Reply #31)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:59 AM

40. That's apparently what Pelosi was attempting to do. (nt)

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Response to theaocp (Reply #4)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:15 AM

88. And it's not like AOC is EVER condescending or snarky towards other Dems.

It just looks like dishing it out and not being able to take it.

Especially making it about racism. The GOP could not have been given a greater gift. They tried to go there when they said Democrats were 'racist' for not supporting the nomination for Alberto Gonzales for AG, and now they have a Democrat doing that for them.



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Response to ehrnst (Reply #88)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:38 AM

97. That doesn't solve the problem.

Pelosi can adjust to these new members and how the House can use them for the Democratic party as a whole. I think she's doing a poor job of that right now. Managers need to manage well. Take it easy.

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Response to theaocp (Reply #97)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:15 PM

125. Poor job indeed...doubling down on a Maureen Dowd interview?!?!?!!!

Not cool, especially coming from our leader vs. a freshman.

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Response to theaocp (Reply #97)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 10:22 AM

207. Maybe the new members need to adjust

AOC has never hesitated to call out other democrats and has even campaigned against those who don't meet her purity test, it is pretty obvious she is being hypocritical. Some maturity on the part of the new Congress people would probably go a long way.

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:02 AM

81. +1000

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:41 PM

134. Well, I guess you told her... LOL

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Response to Zoonart (Reply #3)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 01:41 PM

153. "You are a SERVANT OF THE PEOPLE"

...of New York's 14th congressional district. "The governing body of the greatest democracy on the face of the earth" can bugger off.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:44 AM

6. I support AOC fully in this

Unfortunately, the Alert Gremlins are out in force lately, so that is all that can be safely said at this time.

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Response to Tarc (Reply #6)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:04 PM

169. +1,000. n/t

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:48 AM

7. I support Speaker Pelosi

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:39 AM

20. +1000. (nt)

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Response to Gothmog (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:24 AM

91. Me too... even though i like AOC, she's dividing us- not what we need

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Response to dsp3000 (Reply #91)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:52 PM

188. i agree with your statement. Me too... even though i like AOC, she's dividing us- not what we need

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:51 AM

8. Perhaps in Future

Pelosi should personally decide which people she'll allow to run for congress (hint: biddable, pliable people with no ideas of their own, who are willing to do as they are told in all circumstances) and create explicit rules to ensure that no one ever disagree with her in any way.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:28 AM

14. No kidding.

This whole brouhaha is not helpful in any way.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:39 AM

21. Did you find a sale on strawmen?

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Response to Bettie (Reply #8)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:12 AM

49. I would think that some might want to run for Republican seats instead of safe Democratic seats...

which does not extend our majority...a bit of work in the hearts and minds department would be helpful too...the constant tearing down of the Democratic Party and our leaders is not helpful.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #49)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:41 AM

70. They ran for the seats in the districts where they live

so, you think that they should move to try to win a currently republican seat and THEN sit down and shut up.

Also, I'd ask how it is helpful for leadership to tear down the other voices in our party. DO they not matter? Wait, never mind, of course they don't.

No one who is under 70 matters. ETA: Yes, people may think this is inappropriate to say, but leadership does skew older and apparently they believe that the "children" should be seen and not heard and it is maddening and frustrating that only center-right people appear to matter in any way. Maybe we need Pelosi to just tell us, outright that nothing will ever fucking change and we should quit asking for anything outside of the status quo.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #70)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:12 AM

87. Love how people like to tell us useless old people how we skew....

I’m old. I hate being told what I like and how I skew.

AOC has a lot to learn about having this job.

She was also elected by her constituents to do as she is.

Nancy is the CEO of the company. She makes the big decisions. Some times the boss needs to have adjustment meetings.
We’ve all been there. Most successful people learn to balance their zeal with the company’s parameters.

The thing I hate, is the perpetual canard that woman can’t work together. Media is one step from calling it a cat fight.

Stop feeding the media fire everyone.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #87)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:29 AM

94. I'm not young either

I'm in between the young and the older. I'm in that generation that will never ever have a chance. The first to be less well off than their parents.

We watched the window of opportunity close on our fingers in the 80's and our only hope is the millenials that the ones above us on the ladder keep telling to sit down and shut up, because their ideas and idealism are not wanted, not useful, not valued in the least.

What I want to know is why, if the speaker was upset at something that Mark Pocan said, she chose to attack the four young women?

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #87)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:31 AM

95. Are you a member of house leadership?

They are generally in the 70ish range.

That is what I was saying: leadership in the house skews older. That is a fact.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #95)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:41 AM

100. Yep.

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #100)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:50 AM

109. DO you believe that

everyone should just STFU, because all the "youngs" are stupid and undeserving of voicing their opinions?

That what is happening is A-OK and nothing really needs to be done to stop any of it?

Because let me tell you, most of us would like to see SOMETHING done.

I no longer even believe that there will be elections, since it seems that our system only works if everyone involved believes that laws are a thing.

Do you even see that people are frustrated beyond their capacity to function? That watching the slow destruction of our country is driving many of us utterly mad?

That from down here it looks like no one up there actually cares what happens to those of us who have no power and no wealth?

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Response to Bettie (Reply #109)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:21 PM

130. I said what I said.

You said old people don’t matter so why badger me now that you know I am one.

You pretty much told me I’ve had my time and now I should sit down and shut up. 🤷🏼‍♀️

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Response to LakeArenal (Reply #130)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:53 PM

138. Actually, what I said is that in

our current political model you are among the ONLY people who matter.

Just FYI.

Even the suggestion that other voices might be of value appears to be offensive.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #138)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 01:04 PM

141. Now you take me out if context.

Say whatever you want. I get say what ever I said.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #70)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:51 AM

111. How helpful is it to defy leadership as a newbie in terms of crucial legislation? Change comes from

winning elections..building a better majority in the House, taking the Senate and the White House. I don't see as these four helped in this effort in fact they hinder it when they attack leaders or the party...thus they self sabotage the change they seek in many ways.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #111)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 01:47 PM

154. Of What 'Crucial Legislation" Do You Speak?

They legislation in which we just gave a bunch of money to the Trump administration with no safeguards in regards to how it's spent? Or , are you referring to future legislation that has no chance to even get a vote in the Senate and that no one outside of this board will ever hear about?

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Response to jayfish (Reply #154)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:30 PM

160. And I suppose we should just let kids die ...we were never going to get the legislation we wanted.

Now it will be on Trump if he doesn't use the money to help the humanitarian crisis...the kids would have suffered and we would have been blamed if we had not passed it...the four of them deserve criticism...and I say they show little empathy for the plight of these kids which disturbs me. What was their plan? How many votes did they have?

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:52 AM

9. Thank you, Rep. Ocasio-Cortez!

"it got to a point where it was just outright disrespectful . . . the explicit singling out of newly elected women of color.”




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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #9)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:34 AM

17. Plus, AOC, Rashida Talib, Ilhan Omar and Ayanna Pressley

(sorry if I spelled any of their names wrong)

Speak for a lot of us in the party.

Not all, but a lot of us look at what they say and say "YES! That's it!".

So, if those of us who are lefties aren't welcome in the party, someone should just fucking say so.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #17)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:43 AM

27. Who do you think should just "fucking say" that lefties "aren't welcome in the party"? (nt)

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Response to Bettie (Reply #17)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:35 AM

67. Crickets?

No surprise.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #17)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:54 PM

177. IF by lefties you mean people who fail to accept today's political realities..

Last edited Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:08 PM - Edit history (1)

then bye felicias.

These are not normal times. McConnell and company have us by the throat and getting shit done is not as easy as normal. They won't even put stuff up for a vote for Christ's sake.

So, this notion that there's a quick/magic solution to this nightmare is ignorant beyond belief.

It's not left/liberal views..it's a failure to understand the political climate that is strangling us.

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Response to Bettie (Reply #17)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:57 PM

199. Well they don't speak for even more of us!

And sure as hell don’t speak for members they tried to primary. In one case before even being elected.

I respect them and they represent their districts well. But those districts are definitely not representative of the nation as a whole.

Whether you want to believe it or not, 2018 was a victory of moderate democrats. All the seats we actually picked up are moderate. And those new members do not feel they are being helped by the rhetoric from a few members from safe seats.

Those are the districts at risk and the folks who we need to listen to.

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #9)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:41 AM

23. Especially that first day in office where Pelosi protested outside AOC's office! The disrespect!

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Response to RandiFan1290 (Reply #9)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:19 AM

50. They voted against important legislation...has nothing to do with their heritage or color.

I was not impressed with their actions which showed a lack of understanding of the circumstances and a certain callousness towards caged children who would have received no assistance without the bill they voted against. They unfortunately seem to be the sort who let the perfect be the enemy of the good.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #50)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 01:05 PM

142. +1000

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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #142)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:31 PM

161. Thanks!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:59 AM

10. The person constantly standing out doesn't want to be singled out?

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Response to SlogginThroughIt (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:35 AM

19. Wanting to have it both ways usually doesn't work out well. (nt)

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:29 AM

15. Just what we need - A purity battle in the House.

Everyone needs to remember that they're all up for re-election next November. We just regained a majority in the House. So, let's keep that majority by working together for the good of constituents, please.

Both sides need to talk among themselves, instead to airing grievances in public. Much more will be accomplished if that happens. The progressive, new members do not have the votes to push their point, and the Speaker needs to listen to them, even if what they want is not possible right now.

So, folks in the House, please get back to work and stop bickering in public. It's a bad look for the entire Democratic caucus.

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Response to MineralMan (Reply #15)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:18 PM

127. +1000

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:34 AM

18. What happened to AOC "giving zero f*cks" about what people think about her challenging senior dems?

That was just last January....

https://www.thedailybeast.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-to-stephen-colbert-i-give-zero-fucks

Later, Colbert pressed her on some of the backlash she’s received from members of her own party who tell her to “wait your turn” and “don’t make waves.” The host said, “I want to ask this question in a respectful manner, knowing also that you’re from Queens, so you will understand this question. On a scale from zero to some, how many fucks do you give?”

After thinking for a second, Ocasio-Cortez said, “I think it’s zero.”


It appears that her skin has thinned considerably since taking office.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:56 AM

35. Her fans on woke Twitter demand that she rails against "establishment" anything

You talk about purity tests. There’s no harder group to please than woke twitter. I don’t envy her in that regard.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #35)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:57 AM

37. Apparently she can dish it out, but take it? Not so much. (nt)

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #37)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:57 AM

38. Yes, that is also true.

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Response to BannonsLiver (Reply #35)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:20 AM

52. I wonder what her constituents think...my friend Barbara is in her district and is not a fan.

She may face a primary herself...in addition to call for others to be primaryed. Ah well, safe Democratic seat so it should be fine either way. Now I like AOC and think she can be a force for good in our party in the end.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #52)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:23 AM

55. Interesting that NY 14th dist polls put AOC about in line with Pelosi and Schumer.

So she's not more popular than they are, and getting very combative might not bode well for AOC's being re-elected if she's primaried.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #55)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:53 AM

114. Is she serving her constituents? I am not sure.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:42 AM

26. I like AOC

but she needs to pick her battles. Pelosi is not the enemy. The GOP is.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:55 AM

34. The more polite republicans

will hold their coats while they duke it out.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:00 AM

42. She's right. Nancy has done that and I notice she doesn't seem to go after moderates. nt

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Response to Autumn (Reply #42)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:20 AM

53. How many newly elected moderates court the media and controversy, rather then put their heads down

and work hard ?

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #53)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:25 AM

57. Those young women work very hard. And there is no fucking reason they ever need put their

heads down. They are the future and they have been able to use social media to their benefit. I think that bothers some.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #57)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:41 AM

71. What bothers some, is attacking those who are supposed to be their colleagues. Plus the jury is

out as to what the is result of their social media exploits.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #71)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:49 AM

74. We see things differently. They are using social media quite well. nt

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Response to Autumn (Reply #74)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:00 AM

79. Yes, in your opinion they are using social media quite well, I'm saying it's too early to know how

well that strategy will work out. When the wind starts blowing in the opposite direction, we'll have a better idea.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #79)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:04 AM

82. Circular conversations go nowhere. Have a nice day nt

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Response to Autumn (Reply #82)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 02:36 PM

156. Only conversing with those you agree with, isn't far behind.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #156)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:38 PM

162. I'm just not a fan of some conversation techniques, especially sea-lioning.

Again. Have a nice day

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Response to Autumn (Reply #162)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:01 PM

166. Which again, is your opinion.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #166)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:43 PM

174. Well no shit. It is my opinion, I never claimed otherwise.

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Response to Autumn (Reply #74)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:31 PM

204. AOC is actually underwater in favorability

-13 according to Quinnipiac.

So it's working for the choir, but not so much anyone else.

23 percent favorable tells me she's not reaching anyone who isn't already on-board.

38 percent IDK tells me she isn't as ubiquitous outside our bubble as we'd like to think.

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Response to OnDoutside (Reply #53)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:43 PM

175. the problem solver caucus challenged her leadership. for them she has crickets

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Response to Autumn (Reply #42)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:21 AM

54. "Go after?"

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:03 AM

44. Yeah, no.

AOC still has a lot of growing up to do.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:07 AM

46. a country that has a sound political structure does not elect a trump. way past time to shake

things up.

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #46)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:20 AM

51. Isn't that what Trump ran on? How do you propose that things be "shaken up?"

Specifically.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #51)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:26 AM

58. Shaking up ...for some is what my Mom called lip service. Now Pres. Obama shook things up

by passing the ACA and making health care a right for the first time in our history...now that is the kind shaking up we should strive for.

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Response to Demsrule86 (Reply #58)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:27 AM

59. OK, so what specifically do you think would 'shake things up' like that going forward? (nt)

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #59)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:52 AM

112. Beating Trump and by some miracle winning the Senate. Talk is cheap with out winning elections...it

is also meaningless.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #51)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:28 AM

60. 1st and foremost is the issue of dark money and the oversized influence in our body politic

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #60)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:30 AM

63. So, how specifically do we do that, as long as "Citizens United" stands?

If you demand that things be shaken up, then one needs to understand what that would involve, in order to support the candidate that is most able to do that.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #63)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:33 AM

66. you call out corruption even it pisses off the donor class. warren has a plan for that. 😀

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #66)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:50 AM

75. OK, "calling out corruption." There are lots and lots of people doing that. How does it get the

dark money out of politics? How does that actually "shake things up?"

Warren certainly has more of a plan than "calling them out."

What do you think that should entail?

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #75)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:42 AM

102. i'll defer to warren on specifics. but to my point, history is quite clear true structural change

comes from the bottom up. (politicians take credit after the fact). so you build a consensus against dark money, negating its power. we're seeing this in real time but in baby steps.

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #102)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:07 PM

119. So you're saying from the top down, to convince people to change things from the bottom up? (nt)

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #119)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:14 PM

124. I'm talking about activist. also i think you just like giving me hell. lol.

but i do enjoy our chats.

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #124)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:44 PM

136. ....



Glad that you see that I'm not antagonistic - I really do want to see what the thought processes are behind what people want.

It helps me to clarify my requests - and demands - of my rep. I don't just say "FIX THIS NOW OR I WILL NOT VOTE FOR YOU EVER AGAIN" because that doesn't help them at all.

For instance, I wrote my rep and told them that I trust that Pelosi has the most informed take on impeachment.

I also told them that I want him to trust mainstream physician associations and non-partisan public health experts to know what is and is not good reproductive health policy.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #136)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:41 PM

173. if you could pick one issue (other than the entire republican party lol)

what would be most pressing?

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #173)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:59 PM

179. Not sure what you mean...

There are so many - reproductive rights, gender pay gap, immigration, public education, climate change, income inequality, the rise of white supremacy, access to health care, racial profiing in law enforcement, the school to prison pipeline...

Are you asking me what can be addressed first? What has to be addressed first before other issues can be addressed?

I do think that there needs to be a prioritization - as we saw with Jimmy Carter, making everything urgent doesn't work.

With the awareness that I personally don't have the tools to tell the pilot in the cockpit how to fly the plane, this is what would convince me that someone has the tools for the impossible job of POTUS or Speaker, I would say.... There is far more than any 8 year term could solve, so what I look for is the ability to process new data, change course when they get new data that indicates a strategy change, an understanding that "identity politics" is an insulting, dismissive term, the ability to work WELL WITH OTHER PEOPLE, public speaking skills as well as skills in one on one conversations, a proven record of accomplishment on Capitol Hill, a very even temprament, and the recommendation of their progressive colleagues on the Hill and in advocacy, and a graduate degree.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #179)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:03 PM

180. its a hypothetical. mine was dark money. but as you say we've many. i just threw it out there.

no reply is fine since its off topic anyway.

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Response to Kurt V. (Reply #180)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:14 PM

182. I just added a bunch more to my reply... (nt)

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #179)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:20 PM

185. nice! thanks for taking the time

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:23 AM

56. Both sides need to stop this public spat ASAP

I don't agree or disagree with either side - I think both have legit points and issues - but this public airing of the family disagreement needs to stop.

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Response to Pachamama (Reply #56)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:28 AM

62. That's exactly what Pelosi was trying to do in that meeting where she said to stop

tweeting against each other. Then AOC took to twitter to do exactly that about Pelosi trying to stop the nonsense.

There's no "both sides" to this. One person is bashing and complaining about Democrats on twitter, and the other is not.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:28 AM

61. Didn't Pelosi "single out" both the Blues Dogs and the New Dems?

“I hope there will be some level of respect and sensitivity for our — each individual experience that we bring to this Caucus,” Pelosi said. “You make me the target, but don’t make our Blue Dogs and our New Dems the target in all of this because we have important fish to fry,” Pelosi said.

Wasn't Steny Hoyer at the meeting, and didn't he also call out anyone who has been publicly airing grievances, including Pelosi?

In addition to Pelosi, House Majority Leader Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) urged Democrats to stay unified.

“He said, come to me, criticize me in person. But let's be unified when we're dealing with McConnell. The real obstacle, which I agree with, is Mitch McConnell. Our fire should be directed at him,” said progressive Rep. Ro Khanna (D-Calif.).

“Steny gave a very impassioned unity talk just a few minutes ago, talking about how important everybody is to getting our agenda done [and] that if we have problems with each other we ought to address each other and not go outside,” Yarmuth said.

Asked if Hoyer’s message was directed at Pelosi, Yarmuth chuckled. “It was directed at everyone,” he said. “They know who they are.”




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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:35 AM

68. ...

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:45 AM

73. Dems won a blue tsunami in 2018,

they won because people wanted Trump to be held accountable. They won because of the enthusiasm that our numerous freshmen candidates brought to our party.

We have been in power for a while now in the House, what are our top 3 accomplishments? What have we done to curb Trump?

Well at least the House controls the purse strings, right, right? I mean appropriation bills are supposed to originate in the House, right? What just happened when Mitch McConnell wrote and passed a 4.6 billion dollar border bill with zero Democratic input and only 8 no votes in the Senate? AOC complains about this and what was the number, around 90 people voted no for the Republican bill in the House. AOC was chastised by Speaker Pelosi for complaining about Democrats passing a Republican budget bill that originated in the Senate.

Excuse me, but last I checked we won overwhelmingly in 2018 in the House, we got a mandate to govern, AOC had every right to complain about what went down with the border funding bill. I blame Schumer for this more than Pelosi but Democrats just gave the private prison complex where General Kelly is on the board of one of the corporations, billions of dollars.

The Mueller hearing is fast approaching, if I were in charge of the House I would have AOC and her 3 friends do all of the questioning, they are 4 of our best Representatives.

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Response to watoos (Reply #73)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:59 AM

77. "In power awhile." Less than six months... and we don't have the Senate

last time I checked. Which means that Republicans have control over what goes through the Senate, and hence gets passed into law.

If one wants to complain about that reality, then one will need to consult the founding fathers.

AOC was chastised by Speaker Pelosi for complaining about Democrats passing a Republican budget bill that originated in the Senate.


What "chastisement?" For someone who said that they give "zero f*cks" about what people say about their outspokeness, she sure seems very touchy about someone rolling their eyes. For someone who dishes out the complaining, as you pointed out, she sure doesn't seem to be able to take it in return.

f I were in charge of the House I would have AOC and her 3 friends do all of the questioning, they are 4 of our best Representatives.


Because they're your faves? I guess the House judiciary committee isn't qualified? You really think that the Speaker dictates who will displace the House Judiciary committee on matters of the judiciary? You bestow powers on Pelosi that even the GOP doesn't bestow on her in their worst attack ads, blaming her for everything under the sun including measles.

Good thing someone "is in charge" that knows how things work, eh?





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Response to ehrnst (Reply #77)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:16 AM

89. What has the House accomplished?

The House controls the purse strings, if it is getting obstructed by the executive or by the Senate, start defunding departments, do some freaking thing or are we to wait until the election? Explain to me how funding works with what just happened with the border bill funding?

You bet I have watched several House hearings and yes most of our members came prepared but there were members who were not prepared, who repeated questions already asked who allowed the subject to take up all of the time. You are darned tootin that if I were Speaker Pelosi I would be coordinating with the House chairs this hearing with Mueller. The hearing is briefer and Mueller will not elaborate on topics which puts more importance on the people asking the questions. I don't want this hearing with Mueller to turn into a debacle, some members on these committees need to cede their time to other members, not all of our committee members are equal in talent.

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Response to watoos (Reply #89)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:27 AM

92. Other than conducting dozens of investigations, writing legislation...

And if you knew anything about appropriations, you know that you can't "unnappropriate" funds without the Senate and WH. The house doesn't have 'retroactive' control of money that has been appropriated... if so, how the hell did Planned Parenthood get reimbursed for Medicaid services when the GOP controlled the House?

Think about it....

But you don't know, and you are blaming congress for not doing something that's not in its power to do. I'm sure that being informed of that won't change your mind one bit, since you seem fixated on raging at the House Democrats...

do some freaking thing or are we to wait until the election?


If you want to believe that there's nothing being done, then it's because you don't want to see what is going on.

You are darned tootin that if I were Speaker Pelosi I would be coordinating with the House chairs this hearing with Mueller.


So you don't think she's doing her job, just like you "know" that Congress isn't doing its job in "unappropriating."

So, tell me - what is the reason you think is behind why congress won't do what you claim it can be doing? That's what you're saying - yhat they are refusing to be effective, but you're not giving a reason why they would be sitting around, and not doing what you personally know that they can and should be doing.

What theory do you have for what is behind this deliberately - as you say it is - "inactive" Democratic congress?

No one who is trashing them as do-nothings has been able to tell me. Perhaps you can? Mass hypnosis or drugs in the house water put there by the GOP?

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #92)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:12 PM

121. What have the dozens of investigations accomplished?

I must have missed most of them or maybe they were conducted behind closed doors? People who are subpoenaed to hearings are flat out ignoring subpoenas. Documents that are being requested are flat out denied.
What have Democrats accomplished by holding "several" hearings?

Yes, Speaker Pelosi has written over 100 Bills, I agree, can you name your top 3 bills that have become law?

As far as money bills, you are putting words in my mouth. The House is supposed to control the purse strings, that border bill was supposed to originate in the House and then move on to the Senate for approval. I understand that it obviously doesn't always work that way seeing as Republicans wrote and passed the border budget bill on their own in the Senate first and then the House, according to Pelosi, had its hands tied and had no other choice but to pass the Republican bill. Except the House had another choice, it could have fought against the Republican bill by offering amendments that would have prioritized where the border money was to be spent. I know, Republicans would have jumped all over Democrats for being against border funding. Governing is tough, Democrats are 25% into their term and you haven't been able to decide what their top accomplishment has been.

Trump and Barr both have committed high crimes and misdemeanors, the House needs to hold impeachment hearings.

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Response to watoos (Reply #121)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:29 PM

131. After less than 6 months? But by all means keep moving the goal posts...

If you have been on DU, I don't see why you would have missed them. But keep on moving those goalposts from "they are doing nothing" to "I haven't been privvy what they are talking about while they're investigating," so you can keep on complaining.

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212157411

Yes, Speaker Pelosi has written over 100 Bills, I agree, can you name your top 3 bills that have become law?


Again... the Senate has to approve them, and the Senate is Republican. So they didn't pass. But they are doing their job, contrary to your accusations. But that's not what you were complaining about - you said that they were 'doing nothing' - I guess now you're admiting that they have, but are moving the goalposts on what "doing nothing" means... so you can keep on complaining...

As far as money bills, you are putting words in my mouth.


These are your words, are they not?

"start defunding departments, do some freaking thing or are we to wait until the election?"


I didn't put them there.

Except the House had another choice, it could have fought against the Republican bill by offering amendments that would have prioritized where the border money was to be spent.


And you think that McConnell would have said, "Why yes, we'll do that! Why didn't you say that before?" instead of what he said the first time which was, "Nope." In what universe was that an option? You're the one who says that unless it passes into law, really, who cares? No, I didn't put those words into your mouth, either.

Governing is tough, Democrats are 25% into their term and you haven't been able to decide what their top accomplishment has been.


That's rich coming from someone who said they had done "Freaking nothing!" again... move those goal posts once you've been shown that you were wrong, so you can try to claim that you weren't.

You seem to need rationalizations for your angst and anxiety concerning what is going on in this country, and Congressional Democrats are your scapegoat. Clearly, being presented with facts that don't confirm that bias doesn't change that one bit.








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Response to ehrnst (Reply #131)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 01:13 PM

145. I am at least calling for the House to do something,

I talked about defunding departments, and yes, the House can do that when Republicans are obstructing them.

The House serves 2 year terms, it is into 25% of its term, I'm guessing that the last 25% will be spent campaigning to get reelected.

Some of the work that Democrats have done going to the courts will go away with a new Congress in 1 1/2 years.
Trump/Barr are not trying to win cases in the courts, they are merely delaying cases in the courts.

God bless Speaker Pelosi, I pushed for her to be nominated Speaker, but she is wrong in not impeaching Trump and or Barr, but especially Trump. There is so much that Democrats can gain from an impeachment hearing such as all of the grand jury information.

It is pretty obvious that the Speaker is opposed to impeachment and hopes to beat Trump at the ballot box.

1. What if Trump wins?
2. What if Trump loses but declares the election was rigged, declares martial law. Whose side will the military be on? Trump is replacing military heads with his people and already 1 in 6 federal judges was appointed by Trump.

I hope to hell I am dead wrong and Pelosi is right but we aren't dealing with a sane president.

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Response to watoos (Reply #145)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 01:37 PM

151. And you've been shown that you don't keep track of what they are doing at all

so that indicates that you'd rather use them as a scapegoat than bother to find out something that might not confirm your bias.

You keep moving the goalposts so that you can feel like they are failing, no matter what they are or aren't doing.

Some of the work that Democrats have done going to the courts will go away with a new Congress in 1 1/2 years.
Trump/Barr are not trying to win cases in the courts, they are merely delaying cases in the courts.


So you're now blaming congress, not for doing nothing, but for doing something that won't bear fruit RIGHT NOW, and not overcoming the fact that the AG is working directly for Trump.

God bless Speaker Pelosi, I pushed for her to be nominated Speaker,


You're not in the House of Representatives, so you didn't affect her selection, and no she doesn't answer to you personally, as Speaker, nor does she owe you a say in what she does, because you 'pushed for her.' I don't presume to know the consequences of the timing of impeachment, but I can say Pelosi knows a whole lot more than you or I do, so I'll bet her odds on knowing the best next step are way better than you or I.

It is pretty obvious that the Speaker is opposed to impeachment and hopes to beat Trump at the ballot box.


She has never taken it off the table - that's an obvious fact.

1. What if Trump wins?


What if he dies in office? What if Pence shows up in a dress? We can focus on what we are doing now, rather than wasting energy fretting about what hasn't come to pass....

I hope to hell I am dead wrong and Pelosi is right but we aren't dealing with a sane president.


Well, Pelosi knows a whole hell of a lot more than you do, so I think I'd put my money on her. And yes, we are not dealing with a sane president. We know he lashes out like a feral animal when cornered, and we know that impeachment would send him into high gear. He might do something to deflect from impeachment - like order a military strike. I believe that Pelosi calculates every public statement she makes with that in mind. Impeachment will not shorten his time in office by a single minute - so we need to balance the few remaining positives with the negatives.

But since you wanted to look ahead to 2020, let's do that.

Those Democratic Senators in swing states will be forced to vote on impeachment in a way that could end their chances for re-election. And our chances of taking back the Senate - which is our ONLY hope of undoing any of the damage Trump has inflicted - dwindle. Democratic congressmen in swing districts will be up against the same. Republican Senators have NOTHING TO LOSE by voting against impeachment. What are the positives there? That Democrats who will vote for Democrats anyway get to watch hearings and feel satisfied... and Trump supporters will call it a witch hunt... and then we're back to where we were before, but with fewer chances to actually take the Senate and keep the House.

Trump claims he's been exonerated from all charges in all investigations, and Democrats who want to moan and complain about Democrats in congress can lay it all at the feet of Pelosi and the Democrats in Congress for "failling to do anything."

Like you're doing right now.

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Response to watoos (Reply #73)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 01:11 PM

143. Exactly right!

I wish Media-ite was banned on DU. They write purposely inflammatory headlines and stories to divide Democrats further.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 10:58 AM

76. The race card? Really?

I'm so fucking sick of this stuff. Grow the fuck up and handle your business professionally and in a productive manner. Until then I won't see her as anything other than a showboating instigator.

This is not going to help on any level as we head into 2020.

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Response to nini (Reply #76)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:07 AM

84. Agree!

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Response to nini (Reply #76)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:34 AM

96. The GOP said that Dems were "racist" when they didn't support Al Gonzales as AG. Now they have a Dem

doing that for them.

What a GIFT to them!

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Response to nini (Reply #76)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:55 AM

116. Hear, hear!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:02 AM

80. Give it up, AOC

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:05 AM

83. Oh screw her, she's singling herself out.

It's what she does. I like her and the other freshmen but she's a publicity junkie. She and the other 3 all joined "forces" to rock the boat, then complain when someone points out they they indeed are rocking the boat. I mean, c'mon. Next she the other 3 are going to throw stink bombs on the House floor, get called out for it and complain about being singled out for minority persecution or something. She needs to understand that even she will be held accountable for her a actions, good or bad. She needs to stop with the victim card waving.

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Response to Instant Liberal (Reply #83)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:12 AM

86. It's like when the GOP accused Democrats of "Racism!!" for not supporting Alberto Gonzales' for AG.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:10 AM

85. And we have the race card being played.....

So someone is very, very, very, very upset about a democratic leader saying that Dems won't think it's OK to bash other Dems on Twitter, and put that shoe on, and says that criticism is about "race."

Someone who just in January said that they gave "zero f*cks" about what people thought of her challenging and saying negative things about democratic leaders takes to twitter with great outrage, claiming racism!!!!!!!!!

Looks like a classic case of being able to dish it out, but not take it.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #85)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:39 AM

98. I have to agree

Basically AOC just said other democrats can't criticise House female Congress people of color. These four singled themselves out by opposing a humanitarian that had to be passed and then criticised the majority for their votes but no one has a right to call them out. These four want respect but maybe they need to give respect, criticising others then complaining when they criticise you is just childish.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #85)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:01 PM

167. Remember when AOC campaigned against WOC Dem candidates in Florida and Kansas?...

She and Bernie went all the way to Kansas to campaign against Sharice Davids in the Dem KS-03 primary.

And they did the same against Stephanie Murphy in FL-07.



Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #167)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:16 PM

171. Well, it's OK for them to do it

Just no one else. Cause, revolution, or something.

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #167)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:04 PM

200. And Bernie's rally for Gillum might have cost him that race.

Hard to defend against being called a socialist when you embrace a self described socialist at a rally.

Before getting up in arms! I live in Florida. A state that twice voted for Obama. That rally was pinned to his chest and he could not deny it. It was their biggest point.

Listen. I think these folks represent their districts well. But if they want to be the face of the party they can expect push back from representatives from districts where they are no help at all.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:40 AM

99. Aretha Franklin Think lyrics Let's be cool DU

Think
Aretha Franklin


You better think (think)
Think about what you're trying to do to me
Think (think, think)
Let your mind go, let yourself be free
Let's go back, let's go back
Let's go way on, way back when
I didn't even know you
You couldn't have been too much more than ten (just a child)
I ain't no psychiatrist, I ain't no doctor with degrees
But, it don't take too much high IQ's
To see what you're doing to me
You better think (think)
Think about what you're trying to do to me
Yeah, think (think, think)
Let your mind go, let yourself be free
Oh, freedom (freedom), freedom (freedom)
Oh, freedom, yeah, freedom
Freedom (freedom), oh oh freedom (freedom)
Freedom, oh freedom
Hey, think about it, think about it
There ain't nothing you could ask
I could answer you but I won't (I won't)
But I was gonna change, but I'm not
If you keep doing things I don't
You better think (think)
Think about what you're trying to do to me
Think (think)
Let your mind go, let yourself be free
People walking around everyday
Playing games, taking scores
Trying to make other people lose their minds
Ah, be careful you don't lose yours, oh
Think (think)
Think about what you're trying to do to me, ooh
Think (think)
Let your mind go, let yourself be free
You need me (need me)
And I need you (don't you know)
Without eachother there ain't nothing people can do, oh
Think about it, baby (What are you trying to do me)
Yeah, oh baby, think about it now, yeah
(Think about, forgiveness, dream about forgiveness)
To the ball, forgiveness
Think about it baby
To the ball, forgiveness
To the ball, forgiveness
Source: LyricFind
Songwriters: Aretha Franklin / Ted White
Think lyrics © Springtime Music Inc

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:41 AM

101. I support AOC

It's sad that we have newly elected minorities in congress and Pelosi seems go after them. This country is clearly ready to take this country way to the left and it is sad that Pelosi can't get on board.

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Response to Robot_Ears (Reply #101)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:54 AM

115. Fully agree

History seems to be passing Speaker Pelosi very quickly.

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Response to Robot_Ears (Reply #101)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 06:30 PM

192. No, Nancy does NOT.. you have it Wrong..

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Response to Cha (Reply #192)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 07:37 PM

194. Nor has Jahana Hayes. I wonder why none of them were "singled out"? Oh right....

....they just go about learning about and doing their jobs.

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Response to George II (Reply #194)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 08:40 PM

197. And, Jahana Hayes! Nancy wants to win the House in 2020!

Thank You, George!

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Response to Cha (Reply #192)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:08 PM

201. AOC is so wrong

and so inappropriate, Cha.

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Response to mcar (Reply #201)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 09:12 PM

202. Yes, it's really too bad.. Nancy's thinking about

Winning the House Again in 2020.. what is AOC thinking?


mcar

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:49 AM

107. AOC has never been in the minority

Pelosi has. I trust Pelosi in her knowledge of how Congress works and to keep the majority.

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Response to aeromanKC (Reply #107)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:16 PM

126. Pelosi was in the majority in 2010

when the Tea party flipped 64 House seats. Do you remember former Speaker Pelosi handing that big gavel to John Boehner? Remember?

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Response to watoos (Reply #126)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 02:41 PM

157. Exactly. Pelosi knows from experience what can happen when you over reach

Luckily, we had all 3 Branches back then. This time Pelosi understands the Dems should not over reach again until we get back all 3 branches again. At least 2 after 2020 if we can keep the House and win the Presidency. Might take till 2022 to get the Senate IF Pelosi and the rest of the Democratic Party can keep together and play as a team like we did in 2018.

Until then keep passing Bills that will die in the Senate (sure wish we'd be more public on all of them that they pass) and do the other House duties like hearings to make having the Gavel worthwhile (Like McConnell is doing on the Senate)

Damn, 2020 can't get hear quick enough!!!!!

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 11:57 AM

117. I stand by AOC

The democratic party under corporate democrats needs to die.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:12 PM

122. I was pretty critical of AOC at times.

In sometimes wondered about her because her office wasnt up and she was on TV often. She has really shown me something though. Paying her staff a living wage. Her unwavering stance on key issues. That video of her talking about her facial hair and how she shouldnt have to be questioned about it, even by other women. She is really strong and impressive. The attacks by Pelosi is ridiculous and tired. She is coming across out of touch. We arent in the 20th century anymore. There is little polite discourse where political differences are left at the door. Bitching about house members using Twitter and being vocal? Fuck that shit. I dont use Twitter or Facebook but it's used widely. Pretending that it isnt influential or useful is asinine and uninformed.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:18 PM

128. My advice to the feuding Congressfolks... STOP IT!

Take it private where we can't hear it.
This is not helping anybody's cause.

(I could be wrong.)

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Response to Lucid Dreamer (Reply #128)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:21 PM

129. That's what Pelosi was trying to do... then AOC decided that Pelosi was talking in private about HER

specifically (because apparently the shoe fit) and took her umbrage to twitter...

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 12:36 PM

132. It's time for Nancy to show her leadership skills in addressing this issue.

After all, she is the Speaker, not AOC, a freshman. Not speaking to AOC for 6 mos. is certainly not leading and trying to find a way to resolve their differences.

I have respect for both but welcome the passion from AOC for fighting for what she thinks is right thing to do. I can't say that I feel the same way about Pelosi right now. IMO, history will show that we put party before country regarding not impeaching trump.



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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 01:32 PM

150. +1,000,000!!!

If you're not going to do your job, Nancy, get the hell out of the way and make way for someone that will.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 01:37 PM

152. They- whoever They are

have succeeded in further splintering the Democratic Party. Also, these discussions between the Speaker and the Representatives ought not be done in public. That doesn't serve anyone except Them (related to They).

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 02:53 PM

159. AOC is 100% right

as usual.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:47 PM

163. AOC and crew are losing my respect n/t

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:50 PM

164. I've been saying this for two days.

People have replied insinuating I'm a troll. Even got a post removed for saying this.

FFS, People: BELIEVE THE WOMEN OF COLOR! Nancy Pelosi is not a white savior that's immune to subconscious racial, age, and gender biases. She kicks ass in many ways, but she is not infallible.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 03:56 PM

165. Apparently, closed-door meetings aren't really closed door for some reps...nt

Sid

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Response to SidDithers (Reply #165)

Fri Jul 12, 2019, 12:07 PM

209. Yes, it clearly wasn't a closed door meeting.

It's very dishonest for people to keep calling it that, at the same time they're discussing what went on during it.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 04:22 PM

172. She didn't "single them out" because of their gender (psst, Pelosi is the same!) or race.

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Response to George II (Reply #172)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:37 PM

187. No, she didn't.

This BS is sure as hell carrying Republican water for them. These people sure don't care about more Trump.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:05 PM

181. this Pelosi / AOC thing is INSANE

I support NEITHER ON OF THEM in this crap - UGH

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:16 PM

183. AOC needs to have a little more respect.

And this is coming from an AOC fan. I get it, she's fighting for groundbreaking progressive ideals... But what she's doing in the public arena is getting close to disrespecting a Woman who has proven year after year that she knows how to navigate washington. This is akin to the new hires coming into the company and expecting everyone to change for them.

Pelosi didn't get to where she's at by being dumb. AOC needs to have more faith in her. This is getting out of hand.

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Response to DonViejo (Original post)

Thu Jul 11, 2019, 05:22 PM

186. I watched AOC today

say that this has nothing to do with race, it has to do with the "squad" getting so many death threats. Omar is called a terrorist on Fox.

AOC is pushing Democrats to do more, why is that bad?

Democrats have issued 80 subpoenas, zero have been complied with.

Say what you want but Pelosi is mad over the border wall funding vote that AOC voted against. Trump is going to use some of that money Sunday when he sends Ice to Chicago and NY and other cities to make orphans out of little kids. Unless Trump backs down this is going to happen Sunday, now tell me we should wait until after the election.

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