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Mon Jul 8, 2019, 01:44 PM

How Hitler's Rise to Power Explains Why Republicans Accept Donald Trump

(NY Magazine - Intelligencer) How Hitler’s Rise to Power Explains Why Republicans Accept Donald Trump

To watch Donald Trump rant and rave uncontrollably on the stump and on Twitter — praising Saddam Hussein for his disregard for civil liberties, insisting the anti-Semitic propaganda he inadvertently borrowed from neo-Nazis is as innocent as a Disney poster — is to ponder the psychology of a party that would entrust supreme executive authority to a racist, nationalistic, power-worshiping demagogue.

Like Hitler, Trump is a radical, authoritarian figure who lies outside the normal parameters of his country’s conservative governing class. Thus, there is a parallel between the two men’s unexpected rise to power that is worth considering: Why would traditional conservatives willingly hand power to a figure so dangerous that he threatened their own political and economic interests? Why, having failed in their halfhearted efforts to nominate an alternative candidate during the primaries, don’t they throw themselves behind a convention coup, a third-party candidacy, or defect outright to Hillary Clinton? Why do so many of them consider Trump the lesser rather than the greater evil?

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All this is to say that German conservatives did not see Hitler as Hitler — they saw Hitler as Trump. And the reasons they devised to overcome their qualms and accept him as the head of the government would ring familiar to followers of the 2016 campaign. They believed the responsibility of governing would tame Hitler, and that his beliefs were amorphous and could be shaped by advisers once in office. They respected his populist appeal and believed it could serve their own ends. (Hugenberg, writes Turner, “recognized that [the Nazis] were far more successful than his party in mobilizing mass support and hoped to harness their movement to destroy the republic and establish a rightist authoritarian regime.”) Their myopic concern with specifics of their policy agenda overcame their general sense of unease. (One right-wing landowner was “hopeful of relief measures by a Hitler cabinet for the depressed agriculture of the east,” and thus concluded “the army and the forces of conservatism would suffice to prevent a one-party Nazi dictatorship.”) Think of the supply-siders supporting Trump in the hope he can enact major tax cuts, or the social conservatives enthused about his list of potential judges, and you’ll have a picture of the thought process.
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Mon Jul 8, 2019, 02:06 PM

1. to me it's a strained comparison

1. Hitler came in during a time when Germany was at its lowest. They needed someone, anyone that would fix things. Hitler came in and initially was VERY competent. He rebuilt the country, not just its military but its economy and industry. He restored the country's prestige and pride.

Trump did none of that. Our economy was on the upswing. Our military was and is number one. Our industry was rebounding somewhat although not as fast as folks would like. He came in and did...not much of anything. And what he did do, well the economy has continued on in spite of him not because of him.

2. Germany was surrounded by rivals. They needed a strongman to contend with those rivals. At least from their POV. The NAZIs also somewhat moderated their worst impulses and first, and even backed off one of them when public sentiment ran against it (euthanasia of non desirables).

We have a little of that with China and Russia, but he's actively working WITH Russia and his engagement with China has been without success. And we aren't really surrounded in the same literal sense as Germany was.

Quite frankly, if any of us were German in 1933, Hitler would seem like a viable option. We wouldn't have known what was to come, and based on the mid to late 30s, we would have been mostly happy with him, except he was pretty anti-Semitic, but odds are most of us would have been too to some extent during that time period. Hitler is understandable in context. You get how he came to power.

Trump is patently not other than the simple explanation that a few more of our worst voted than enough of our better in just enough places to matter with our screwy electoral college system that no one else has.

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Mon Jul 8, 2019, 02:34 PM

3. A very thoughtful analysis of this New York Times piece.

"A few of our worst...." I like that.

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Mon Jul 8, 2019, 02:23 PM

2. Donnie Shit for Brains

is NOT "outside the normal parameters of his country's conservative governing class".

He was fucking raised and nurtured in the Petri dish of Hate Radio and racism...

The conservatives own this prick...lock...stock...and barrel

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Mon Jul 8, 2019, 03:20 PM

4. Racist scapegoating a common factor.

From Anne Frank House:
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Hitler’s racism: not just the Jews

Hitler viewed the world as an arena for the permanent struggle between peoples. He divided the world population into high and low races. The Germans belonged to the high peoples and the Jews to the low ones. He also had specific notions about other peoples. The Slavic people, for instance, were cast as inferior, predestined to be dominated.
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http://www.annefrank.org/en/anne-frank/go-in-depth/why-did-hitler-hate-jews/

Sound familiar?

As the most widely known leader of the birtherism hoax, a history of buying expensive newspaper ads advocating the death penalty for five (innocent) black men, etc., I tend to believe the racist/white supremacist/Tea Party backlash after Obama was the driving force behind Trumpism. Trump had so many disqualifiers that there had to be something really deep that overrode them all and kept so many people coming back, something that he knew would allow him to shoot somebody on 5th Avenue and get away with it. Like the "good Germans" who sat in church and sang louder when the "trains" went by, there were no doubt plenty of "good Americans" who used distractions and propaganda to help them ignore the obvious.

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