Fri Jul 5, 2019, 02:48 PM

BREAKING CNN - After defying Congress; can Trump circumvent the Supreme Court?

Justice Department tells court it is looking at options to add citizenship question to census
By Ariane de Vogue, Kevin Liptak and Gregory Wallace, CNN
Updated 1:05 PM ET, Fri July 5, 2019

(CNN) - Lawyers for the Department of Justice told a federal judge in Maryland Friday afternoon that the Trump administration will continue to explore options of adding a citizenship question to the 2020 census, but made no mention of a potential executive order being considered by the White House.

An administration official stressed that as of now the census will be printed without the citizenship question, though discussions are continuing about how to challenge last week's Supreme Court ruling blocking the Census Bureau from adding it to the questionnaire.

Earlier Friday, President Donald Trump said he is considering his options, which include an executive order or a potential addendum to the questionnaire that would allow the question to be added at a later date. Such a move could require the administration to provide a new justification for the addition of the question, following a Supreme Court ruling requiring a new rationale.
https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/05/politics/census-citizenship-question-deadline-donald-trump/index.html?cid=web-alerts&nsid=38903092

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BREAKING CNN - After defying Congress; can Trump circumvent the Supreme Court? (Original post)	real Cannabis calm	Jul 2019	OP
If Trump defies the court	C_U_L8R	Jul 2019	#1
Most likely have the Marshals seize the forms	jberryhill	Jul 2019	#5
Courts have no military to enforce anything	at140	Jul 2019	#6
US Marshals are technically in DOJ but they answer to the judges	StarfishSaver	Jul 2019	#15
unfortunately the AG has the ultimate authority over them	Celerity	Jul 2019	#26
Marshals are required by law to enforce court orders.	marylandblue	Jul 2019	#31
oh, it will be a constitutional crisis, but the AG can shut them down, court order or not	Celerity	Jul 2019	#34
All the AG can do is to fire and replace the Marshal.	marylandblue	Jul 2019	#41
The deputy marshals are the ones who actually carry out the court orders	StarfishSaver	Jul 2019	#50
The marshals aren't likelt to defy a lawful court order, especially in response	StarfishSaver	Jul 2019	#36
Well I'd hope so, but who knows what kind of trolls lurk in the Trump Administration.	marylandblue	Jul 2019	#42
The AG can't just "shut them down" - Congress created them and only Congress can get rid of them	StarfishSaver	Jul 2019	#35
I would like to believe your are right but I will believe it when I see it	Celerity	Jul 2019	#38
No, he can't order them to disobey a court order.	marylandblue	Jul 2019	#44
Fun Fact: Thurgood Marshall's son was the chief US Marshal during the Clinton Administration	StarfishSaver	Jul 2019	#53
I wonder if he knew Major Major Major Major. nt	tblue37	Jul 2019	#59
Arrest who? Trump?	Polybius	Jul 2019	#57
No, not Trump	StarfishSaver	Jul 2019	#58
It falls under safety if they are trying to arrest him	Polybius	Jul 2019	#60
No, it doesn't	StarfishSaver	Jul 2019	#61
His safety could be in jeopardy in jail	Polybius	Jul 2019	#62
Being arrested doesn't mean he would be put into an unsafe situation or even go to jail	StarfishSaver	Jul 2019	#63
They might compromise	Polybius	Jul 2019	#64
Yes	StarfishSaver	Jul 2019	#65
How do you think they'll vote? Give you one guess	demosincebirth	Jul 2019	#55
Who will stop him?	superpatriotman	Jul 2019	#2
Elizabeth Warren! .. nt	at140	Jul 2019	#23
Yep, Trump is at the head of a constitutional trifecta of tyranny	Celerity	Jul 2019	#29
The linchpin to the entire miasma is	misanthrope	Jul 2019	#32
this has all been 'war gamed' out for decades by the rethugs and their paymasters	Celerity	Jul 2019	#37
Yes, it has	misanthrope	Jul 2019	#39
Liberty university	superpatriotman	Jul 2019	#45
The Powell Memo too, regardless of it's apparent obscurity in the beginning	Celerity	Jul 2019	#48
Bravo on the Pete Tong reference!	superpatriotman	Jul 2019	#43
no, 23 year old London-raised girl, lolol	Celerity	Jul 2019	#46
At 23 'ages' means something different than it does an old raver	superpatriotman	Jul 2019	#56
some yes, or downloads, like his older, 90's Essential Selections	Celerity	Jul 2019	#68
Let's see how long it takes for someone/entity to say STOP,	elleng	Jul 2019	#3
Who will that be? Turtle face? Willard?	at140	Jul 2019	#4
Right now, I doubt that will ever happen.	woodsprite	Jul 2019	#11
If he does he will get a sternly worded letter.	triron	Jul 2019	#7
Or, if they're really serious,	MyOwnPeace	Jul 2019	#30
The Court ruled	malaise	Jul 2019	#8
Not really...SCOTUS sent it back down..leaving a door open	AncientGeezer	Jul 2019	#21
What can the Court do about it if he issues an executive order? Nothing.	kentuck	Jul 2019	#9
Well. Nancy?	world wide wally	Jul 2019	#13
"Executive order" doesn't mean "this overrides the courts"	muriel_volestrangler	Jul 2019	#20
But..with a rewording(2nd bite)...have upheld the EO's	AncientGeezer	Jul 2019	#22
Of course he can/will.	SoCalDem	Jul 2019	#10
They SC shouldn't have offered another bite at the apple	nuxvomica	Jul 2019	#12
Normally not but exceptions are made for the President.	triron	Jul 2019	#14
The Court did the right thing	StarfishSaver	Jul 2019	#16
Thank you	empedocles	Jul 2019	#49
"Mr Marshall has made his law	Retrograde	Jul 2019	#17
yep, like Stalin said	Celerity	Jul 2019	#40
I always get a kick out of Trump's stated "admiration" of Jackson	misanthrope	Jul 2019	#47
Since an EO can not override The Supreme Court	Everyman Jackal	Jul 2019	#18
SCOTUS didn't actually decide the case...they sent it back down	AncientGeezer	Jul 2019	#25
Unless SCOTUS says it is legal to put the question on the census, I'm not answering that question	MiniMe	Jul 2019	#19
I'm blacking mine out and writing redacted.	notdarkyet	Jul 2019	#27
Should news organizations ask questions?	pwb	Jul 2019	#24
I spent my entire career in media: AND WE ASKED PLENTY OF "QUESTIONS!"	real Cannabis calm	Jul 2019	#28
Sure you did?	pwb	Jul 2019	#66
In college, where I learned to write news, questions were the basis:	real Cannabis calm	Jul 2019	#69
he can and if he does, there will be no timely consequences for him	0rganism	Jul 2019	#33
plus a subservient half of congress.	Kurt V.	Jul 2019	#51
Please for the love of god don't give him any ideas!!!	Initech	Jul 2019	#52
The court hearing the discrimatory intent case just ruled against the DOJ	Gothmog	Jul 2019	#54
Yes	bluecollar2	Jul 2019	#67

Response to real Cannabis calm (Original post)

Fri Jul 5, 2019, 02:54 PM

C_U_L8R (39,603 posts)

1. If Trump defies the court

what can/will they do about it?

BREAKING CNN - After defying Congress; can Trump circumvent the Supreme Court?

1. If Trump defies the court

5. Most likely have the Marshals seize the forms

6. Courts have no military to enforce anything

15. US Marshals are technically in DOJ but they answer to the judges

26. unfortunately the AG has the ultimate authority over them

31. Marshals are required by law to enforce court orders.

34. oh, it will be a constitutional crisis, but the AG can shut them down, court order or not

41. All the AG can do is to fire and replace the Marshal.

50. The deputy marshals are the ones who actually carry out the court orders

36. The marshals aren't likelt to defy a lawful court order, especially in response

42. Well I'd hope so, but who knows what kind of trolls lurk in the Trump Administration.

35. The AG can't just "shut them down" - Congress created them and only Congress can get rid of them

38. I would like to believe your are right but I will believe it when I see it

44. No, he can't order them to disobey a court order.

53. Fun Fact: Thurgood Marshall's son was the chief US Marshal during the Clinton Administration

59. I wonder if he knew Major Major Major Major. nt

57. Arrest who? Trump?

58. No, not Trump

60. It falls under safety if they are trying to arrest him

61. No, it doesn't

62. His safety could be in jeopardy in jail

63. Being arrested doesn't mean he would be put into an unsafe situation or even go to jail

64. They might compromise

65. Yes

55. How do you think they'll vote? Give you one guess

2. Who will stop him?

23. Elizabeth Warren! .. nt

29. Yep, Trump is at the head of a constitutional trifecta of tyranny

32. The linchpin to the entire miasma is

37. this has all been 'war gamed' out for decades by the rethugs and their paymasters

39. Yes, it has

45. Liberty university

48. The Powell Memo too, regardless of it's apparent obscurity in the beginning

43. Bravo on the Pete Tong reference!

46. no, 23 year old London-raised girl, lolol

56. At 23 'ages' means something different than it does an old raver

68. some yes, or downloads, like his older, 90's Essential Selections

3. Let's see how long it takes for someone/entity to say STOP,

4. Who will that be? Turtle face? Willard?

11. Right now, I doubt that will ever happen.

7. If he does he will get a sternly worded letter.

30. Or, if they're really serious,

8. The Court ruled

21. Not really...SCOTUS sent it back down..leaving a door open

9. What can the Court do about it if he issues an executive order? Nothing.

13. Well. Nancy?

20. "Executive order" doesn't mean "this overrides the courts"

22. But..with a rewording(2nd bite)...have upheld the EO's

10. Of course he can/will.

12. They SC shouldn't have offered another bite at the apple

14. Normally not but exceptions are made for the President.

16. The Court did the right thing

49. Thank you

17. "Mr Marshall has made his law

40. yep, like Stalin said

47. I always get a kick out of Trump's stated "admiration" of Jackson

18. Since an EO can not override The Supreme Court

25. SCOTUS didn't actually decide the case...they sent it back down

19. Unless SCOTUS says it is legal to put the question on the census, I'm not answering that question

27. I'm blacking mine out and writing redacted.

24. Should news organizations ask questions?

28. I spent my entire career in media: AND WE ASKED PLENTY OF "QUESTIONS!"

66. Sure you did?

69. In college, where I learned to write news, questions were the basis:

33. he can and if he does, there will be no timely consequences for him

51. plus a subservient half of congress.

52. Please for the love of god don't give him any ideas!!!

54. The court hearing the discrimatory intent case just ruled against the DOJ

67. Yes