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phantom power

(25,966 posts)
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 10:56 AM Aug 2012

Stupid Shit Andrew Sullivan Says, Ctd.

...What the fuck is this "us" business, Andrew?

"We" did not create this monster and set it loose. You did.

You and David Frum And David Brooks. You and Ann Coulter. You and Hugh Hewitt. You and Ronald Wilson Reagan. You and Jerry Falwell. You and Karl Rove. You and Lee Atwater. You and Rich Lowry. You and Thomas Sowell. You and Phyllis Schlafly. You and Newton Leroy Gingrich.

You and tens of thousands of others, all pulling on your little oars, each contributing your time and energy to setting this horror in motion.

You. Fucking. People.

...

As a Liberal in Andrew Sullivan's America, I am not permitted to exist except as a straw man projection of the fears and ignorance of others. I am hauled out and punched around whenever some wingnut halfwit needs to prove his bona fides, or some douchbag Centrist needs to prop up the forever-collapsing walls of their Both Sides Are Equally Wrong cloister. To be a Liberal in Andrew Sullivan's America means that I constantly have motives imputed to me that are simply lies. It means that I am told -- emphatically told, every single day by every wingnut goon with a microphone -- that I believe all kinds of things that I do not believe and that no Liberal I have ever met believes.

...

Because, as I explained to the well-meaning Bob Herbert back in 2008, there is no "we" anymore: there are the people who have gotten everything fucking wrong, there are the people who have opposed the people who have gotten everything fucking wrong, and there are the people who are too lazy or foolish or cowardly to perceive the difference

http://driftglass.blogspot.com/2012/08/stupid-shit-andrew-sullivan-says-ctd_28.html
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Stupid Shit Andrew Sullivan Says, Ctd. (Original Post) phantom power Aug 2012 OP
R#2 & K for, yes SULLIVAN is a stupid shit with many supporters here. UTUSN Aug 2012 #1
I HATE that Reagan loving, hypocrite Sullivan. xchrom Aug 2012 #2
I guess in your mind a person is unable to evolve. Growth from people who were once dead wrong is Pisces Aug 2012 #3
+1 hifiguy Aug 2012 #4
Oh please. That's a bunch of holier than thou bullshit. Nt xchrom Aug 2012 #5

UTUSN

(70,435 posts)
1. R#2 & K for, yes SULLIVAN is a stupid shit with many supporters here.
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 11:05 AM
Aug 2012

He thinks he is so superior in trying to be a "traditionalist/Catholic" (like O'LOOFAH). His Shrub-loving tore it & to him as to all those who claim to have seen the light about whatever after the fact, how come SOME of us could see the light back when it counted?!1 We never needed special access to special resources, just knew what we were/are about.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
2. I HATE that Reagan loving, hypocrite Sullivan.
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 11:06 AM
Aug 2012

And it's painful to see that dishonest asshole trotted out here as some kind of paragon of a conservative gone good.

More bankruptcy of 'liberal' thinking when they have to drag Sullivan out to prove a point.

Pisces

(5,584 posts)
3. I guess in your mind a person is unable to evolve. Growth from people who were once dead wrong is
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 11:10 AM
Aug 2012

what we need more of. I am sorry that you feel superior because you were always on the Dem side. I'll take a fallen republican
any day, especially one that has credibility with the other side. This allows for more defection from the Republican party.
What I hate is someone who holds people to unrealistic expectations and doesn't allow for change.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
4. +1
Wed Aug 29, 2012, 11:20 AM
Aug 2012

And I think the "we" that Sullivan is referring to in the cited post is the "national we". I am a fan, but not a knee-jerk defender, of Sullivan and I am as far left as anyone on DU. He writes well and he generally thinks clearly. He has also admitted that he is capable of fucking up. That alone qualifies him for some plaudits. Hey the man did support Obama in '08 and is doing so again this year, very assertively so.

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