Mon Jul 1, 2019, 03:03 PM
DonViejo (60,536 posts)
Do the Republicans Even Believe in Democracy Anymore?They pay lip service to it, but they actively try to undermine its institutions. By Michael Tomasky Contributing Opinion Writer July 1, 2019 A number of observers, myself included, have written pieces in recent years arguing that the Republican Party is no longer simply trying to compete with and defeat the Democratic Party on a level playing field. Today, rather than simply playing the game, the Republicans are simultaneously trying to rig the game’s rules so that they never lose. The aggressive gerrymandering, which the Supreme Court just declared to be a matter beyond its purview; the voter suppression schemes; the dubious proposals that haven’t gone anywhere — yet — like trying to award presidential electoral votes by congressional district rather than by state, a scheme that Republicans in five states considered after the 2012 election and that is still discussed: These are not ideas aimed at invigorating democracy. They are hatched and executed for the express purpose of essentially fixing elections. We have been brought up to believe that American political parties are the same — that they are similar creatures with similar traits and similar ways of behaving. Political science spent decades teaching us this. The idea that one party has become so radically different from the other, despite mountains of evidence, is a tough sell. It’s a hard sell to make for one very simple reason: It doesn’t have a name, this thing the Republicans are trying to do. It’s not true democracy that they want. But it’s also a bit much to call them outright authoritarians. And there’s nothing in between. A couple of weekends ago, I tripped across a 2010 book called “Competitive Authoritarianism: Hybrid Regimes After the Cold War,” by Steven Levitsky and Lucan A. Way. If you pay close attention to such things, you will recognize Mr. Levitsky’s name — he was a co-author, with Daniel Ziblatt, of last year’s book “How Democracies Die,” which sparked much discussion. “Competitive Authoritarianism” deserves to do the same. more https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/01/opinion/republicans-trump-democracy.html
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DonViejo | Jul 2019 | OP |
Goodheart | Jul 2019 | #1 | |
KG | Jul 2019 | #2 | |
Bradshaw3 | Jul 2019 | #3 | |
Leghorn21 | Jul 2019 | #4 | |
TwilightZone | Jul 2019 | #5 | |
Shell_Seas | Jul 2019 | #6 | |
Iliyah | Jul 2019 | #7 | |
ooky | Jul 2019 | #8 | |
Buzz cook | Jul 2019 | #9 | |
Aristus | Jul 2019 | #11 | |
Buzz cook | Jul 2019 | #13 | |
ooky | Jul 2019 | #19 | |
Bettie | Jul 2019 | #10 | |
stuffmatters | Jul 2019 | #12 | |
Hekate | Jul 2019 | #14 | |
Skittles | Jul 2019 | #15 | |
CrispyQ | Jul 2019 | #16 | |
Wounded Bear | Jul 2019 | #17 | |
G_j | Jul 2019 | #18 |
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 03:04 PM
Goodheart (4,605 posts)
1. Of course not. They only believe in power.
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 03:04 PM
KG (28,730 posts)
2. short answer: no - longer answer: no
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 03:12 PM
Bradshaw3 (6,889 posts)
3. No, all about maintaining power at any costs for their overlords
Democracy, the Constitution, morals, ethics have all been tossed out the window as the repub hacks and shills do anything and everything that keeps the ruling elites in power.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 03:13 PM
Leghorn21 (13,223 posts)
4. - not the Texan ones, apparently:
“Texas has passed a new law that lets lawmakers
conceal their emails and other communications from public scrutiny, as they prepare to redraw the state's voting maps. The law was authored by two Republican legislators.” Link to tweet No offense, fine Texans ![]() |
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 03:14 PM
TwilightZone (21,617 posts)
5. They haven't for decades.
Considering that one of their primary election strategies is disenfranchising people, it's pretty clear that they don't really believe in democracy.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 03:37 PM
ooky (7,986 posts)
8. I can't think of a single thing they do that suggests they do.
For example, look at McConnell. What has he done lately that would be considered working to foster democracy?
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 03:37 PM
Buzz cook (2,430 posts)
9. "Its not a democracy, its a republic"
How many times have you read a republican making that claim?
That nasty phrase started back in the 1950s and continues today. I'd say republicans have internalized that and for them a non-democratic republic is the ideal. |
Response to Buzz cook (Reply #9)
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 03:43 PM
Aristus (61,797 posts)
11. They seem to forget, in their frenzied zeal to make the name of their party somehow 'relevant',
that we're both: a democratic republic.
Pre-Imperial Rome was a republic, but it wasn't a democracy. The UK is a democracy, but it's not a republic. |
Response to Aristus (Reply #11)
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 04:04 PM
Buzz cook (2,430 posts)
13. When they say that I used to engage.
Explaining the difference as you have here or try a snappy come back like "when did you give up the right to vote?". But then I realized that they were being dishonest. That phrase is meant to stop or divert conversation. It isn't meant to convey information or add to the conversation.
Its just a dirty rhetorical trick used by people who refuse to discuss issues or policy honestly. Because when it comes to policy, to matters of fact, they always lose. So anything they can do to shut down honest debate or divert to opinion and inanity is in their favor. |
Response to Buzz cook (Reply #13)
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 06:05 PM
ooky (7,986 posts)
19. I've developed a standard answer for that specific piece of rhetoric.
"It's the kind of disingenuous argument a fundamentally dishonest person will try to make."
Try it with a RWer who tries spouting that crap and watch that person go off trying to defend his or her integrity. |
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 03:39 PM
Bettie (14,751 posts)
10. No, they have decided
that democracy isn't for them.
They are all about oligarchy now. |
Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 04:00 PM
stuffmatters (2,562 posts)
12. No. Consider even how they've turned Democratic Party into "Democrat Party"
They absolutely do not want our party reminding everybody that the US is a democracy & that's what our party stands for.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 04:26 PM
Skittles (148,697 posts)
15. no - they prefer fascism
it's obvious
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 04:59 PM
CrispyQ (33,909 posts)
16. "Republicans don't want to govern, they want to rule."
I think Molly Ivins said that, or perhaps it was Ann Richards.
They are almost there, too. If we had lost the House in November, I honestly think it would be over. As is, 2020 will be a huge uphill battle with all of the money & election irregularities. |
Response to CrispyQ (Reply #16)
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 05:06 PM
Wounded Bear (55,448 posts)
17. I've posted that line many times...though I don't claim authorship of it.
I don't remember where I first came up with it, but it is spot on.
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Response to DonViejo (Original post)
Mon Jul 1, 2019, 05:10 PM
G_j (40,347 posts)
18. The word is hate
They HATE it
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