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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 07:35 AM

1. They stole two out of the last five for sure.

And probably 2004 as well.

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Response to BlueTsunami2018 (Reply #1)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 07:38 AM

2. From Gore, Kerry, and Clinton. NT

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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 08:42 AM

11. Yes.

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Response to emmaverybo (Reply #2)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:10 AM

15. amen. nt

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 07:44 AM

3. I agree

I really think Russia hacked into voting machines and changed votes. I don't understand ehy we're all acting like everything is normal.

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Response to Laurelin (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:11 AM

16. You're right. They did.

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Response to Laurelin (Reply #3)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 10:23 AM

27. yes Russia wouldn't hack into the poll books and just say "oh interesting reading".

They hacked the poll books. Everyone says maybe they deleted voters. I say they ADDED voters. They used the demographic info the REPUBLICAN party gave them to to add unregistered people that lived in certain areas. On election day, they went in and marked those people voting and added the votes of those people to the Republican columns. Thats what I think happened and I think it will happen again if they can do it.

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Response to Captain Zero (Reply #27)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 10:25 AM

28. something like that would not surprise me

especially in those small rural white counties in Florida that went almost entirely for Trump.

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Response to Captain Zero (Reply #27)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:04 PM

36. They definitely managed to alter the vote tallies. How they did it was using cyber techniques that

have not been revealed as yet. The public cannot be allowed to know.

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Response to triron (Reply #36)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 03:06 PM

161. do YOU know how they did this?

Do you have a basis for that? Or is that your opinion?

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Response to stopdiggin (Reply #161)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 03:45 PM

165. Do YOU think they didn't do it?

Just asking for a friend...

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #165)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 04:42 PM

171. Sad...



If one needs to misrepresent someone elses' statement to defend ones' own, what does that say about the basis of one's own statements?

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 07:45 AM

4. Democrats won't be as open

to Russian trolls this time because we know their game now. They will stlll have an effect but it will be lessened. And as far as vote flipping, thereís no evidence thatís ever happened. Most Democratic leaders will tell you they donít believe it ever happened. After all, why would they let us win 2008, 2012, and 2018?

Iím not trying to minimize the Russian threat but I think if we get out the vote, weíll be fine and have a Democratic President in January 2021.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 08:06 AM

5. this regime and

the Russians are thick as thieves, all the cyber security here has been kicked to the curb, plus Putin has his trolls out, we got to be very careful. The repigs are going to play very dirty again, we all just need to get out there and vote in record numbers.

Repigs want to deter us from voting to put their gangsta in again.

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Response to bdamomma (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 08:34 AM

9. Yes for sure.

Russiaís definitely gonna try their damndest to keep their puppet Trump in office. I hope Facebook, Twitter, and YouTube are more active in booting off and banning Russian trolls and bots.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #4)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:05 PM

37. You are living in a fantasy world. Take the red pill.

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Response to triron (Reply #37)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:10 PM

39. I don't believe vote changing occured.

Weíre gonna have to agree to disagree.

On edit: To clarify, Iím not saying it could never happen. I just donít think it has yet. And worrying about it happening in 2020 is ok but I tend to think it breeds doom and gloom which ultimately discourages voter turnout.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #39)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 10:58 PM

48. Have you done any investigation into the matter? No one has.

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Response to triron (Reply #48)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 11:25 AM

95. And have you? If no one has done any investigation (pro or con) then how can you state one thing...

vs. the other? Personally, if the Russians / Hackers were going to break in and hack, I wouldn't hack the individual vote tallies but the mainline systems where the tallies are gathered/summarized. There are steps that can be taken to minimize interference, I hope that they (election monitors) do so/undertake such steps, the more the better security for our votes.

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #108)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:03 PM

109. I wasn't talking to you nor am I interested in getting into a circular argument w/ you either.

Everything you put up is one that all of us are aware of in DU land. I'm not interested in looking at your 'evidence' which I have seen repeatedly and also, I did not say that Russia didn't hack us either. So I don't where you are getting that I didn't think Russia didn't hack us.

The post I was responding to is the one claiming that no one has done any investigation into the matter...not me. Go find someone else to nag...

triron (12,782 posts)
48. Have you done any investigation into the matter? No one has.

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Response to SWBTATTReg (Reply #109)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:07 PM

110. "all of us are aware here in DU land" and "circular argument"

Ummm.....ooooooooo-kay Oh, and "nag"? Yeah......BULLSHIT.

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 08:13 AM

6. We need to get a Democrat in the WH, and Democratic majorities in both houses of Congress

And then we need to abolish the electoral college. One person, one vote. Make it so.

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Response to Clash City Rocker (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 08:21 AM

7. The Electoral college needs to be no more

I agree. This has been tossed about so many times. Get rid of it.


https://www.nationalpopularvote.com/state-status

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Response to Clash City Rocker (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:09 AM

14. I agree...but we won't get there until we address the treason. nt

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #14)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 02:06 PM

38. Yep. But we won't. Sorry for the pessimism.

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Response to Clash City Rocker (Reply #6)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 10:34 AM

32. +1 million

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Response to Clash City Rocker (Reply #6)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:22 AM

88. We'll have to have a lot more than just the WH and Dem majorities to abolish the electoral college.

It would require a constitutional amendment. So we'll have to convince states to give up their power in the elections, which isn't going to happen.

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Response to Calista241 (Reply #88)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 02:26 PM

160. Someone gets it

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 08:22 AM

8. We're DOOMED!!!!

Always a helpful message

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #8)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:09 AM

13. as is this, by your own definition...but they RIGGED the '16 election

so it's kind of important and all

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #13)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:22 AM

18. If you're talking about Russian interference, there was this thing called the Mueller investigation.

Look it up.

And there is a committee of Democrats overseeing election security:
https://cha.house.gov/about/election-security

The sky isn't falling, no matter how much you want to be reassured that it is.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #18)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:34 AM

22. We can't overcome what we fail to recognize...but I appreciate your tone. nt

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #22)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:43 AM

24. What specifically is not "being recognized" and by whom?

"We" doesn't include me, FYI.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #24)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 04:19 PM

41. Their *RIGGING* the election of '16. SPECIFICALLY.

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #41)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 08:06 AM

58. The obesession with the words "Rigging" and "Rigged"

seems to be giving you an excuse to stoke anger at Democratic leaders. ostensibly for "not doing something that they are doing.

You're welcome.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #58)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:06 AM

68. No obsession....just a straight up statement.

You're welcome

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #68)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:12 AM

79. Repeated over and over in the absence of any context or basis...

I think that fits the bill.

That is all.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #79)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:14 AM

81. Thanks for kicking my thread some more.

"absence of any context or basis". OOooooooooooo-kay

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #81)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:17 AM

85. You're welcome.

It's becoming clearer to anyone else who reads this thread what the OP is actually about.

That is all.

(Non-answer in a frantic attempt to get in the "last word" in 3...2...1...)

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #85)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 11:31 AM

97. Oh, I think you're making it VERY clear indeed.

By trying to substitute your judgement for mine and then demanding I acquiesce to YOUR strawman.

Also, you're a last worder...so this is gonna be *fun*.

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #97)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:25 PM

133. Projection!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

Fun!

Really hit a nerve, didn't I?


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Response to ehrnst (Reply #133)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:28 PM

137. Delusion!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandiose_delusions

Sad!

You NEED the last word. I'm not giving it to you

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #137)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 04:16 PM

166. Really?

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #18)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 11:54 PM

51. Thank you!! Gloom and doom doesn't knock on doors or make phone calls or DONATE!!!

If we have an overwhelming victory, it will not be easy to steal ...GOTV!!!!

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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #51)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 07:13 AM

55. You make the assumption I haven't knocked on doors or donated.

If we don't parse what they did last time, they'll just so it again. that's not "doom and gloom"...that's getting ready.

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #55)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 08:33 AM

64. When I asked you a question about what you are doing about something...

you flamed me. You made the assumptions" not me.

You had only being posting about "rigged" with your hair on fire, but had not stated what anyone could actually do about it other than say "rigged," or join you in ranting.

For someone who is so sensitive about "tone" and throws accusations of "gaslighting" at anyone that points out facts that don't validate panic about Democratic leaders doing "nothing," that's rather rich.



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Response to ehrnst (Reply #64)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:05 AM

66. and when I asked you what YOU were doing, you flamed me downthread.

PS. You *keep* substituting your judgement for mine...I *NEVER* said that Democratic leaders doing "nothing," but that didn't stop YOU from lambasting me for that something I NEVER did...talk about "rich".

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #66)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:14 AM

82. This is your OP, right?

because we keep refusing to acknowledge that it even happened.


And when someone said speak for yourself, you got very unhappy and lambastive...

And when someone asked you what "you" are doing, you got flamy.

It just appears that you want a support group for your anxiety, and attack anyone who tries to figure out what's behind all the ranting.

That is all.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #82)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:15 AM

84. There you go again. nt

You keep saying "that is all" and then you don't stop....it's not all

But thanks for kicking my OP some more.

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #84)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:21 AM

87. Yet another display of "being triggered"

as you accuse everyone who doesn't agree with you.

Self awareness is a positive trait.

That is all.

(frantic non-answer in an attempt to get in the last word in 3...2...1...)

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #87)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 11:30 AM

96. Thanks for kicking my thread.

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #96)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:17 PM

119. Thank you for proving my point, over and over and over again.

People clicking on your OP will see post after angry post of non-answers and "triggered" "gaslighting" that you accuse others of.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

That is all.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #119)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:19 PM

121. There you go again. Thank YOU for kicking my thread. (again and again and again)

because you can't stop

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #121)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:20 PM

123. You seem to need my attention.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #123)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:22 PM

125. And so do you....right on cue

but I am certainly not surprised you'd try to turn this prurient. Gross! Like ewwwwwwww

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #125)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:23 PM

128. How else are you going to get any other replies after your numerous franting flaming

attacks on anyone that disagrees with you as being "a gaslighter?"

That is all.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #128)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:25 PM

132. Oh I *KNOW* What with FIFTY recs, what *ever* will I *do* ?

LOL

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #132)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:27 PM

136. Of course, honey. You are very, very popular.

I guess that's why you're anxious for me to pay attention to you!

Makes total sense, doesn't it?

That is all.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #136)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:29 PM

139. Awwwwww your concern is noted

Thanks for the kick

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #139)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:31 PM

141. You're welcome for the kick and the attention that apparently is needed

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #141)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:32 PM

142. There you go again

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #142)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:35 PM

146. Can't get enough of my attention?

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #146)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:36 PM

148. Never said I wanted it at all, YOU said I wanted it because...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grandiose_delusions

There you go again....You YEARN for that last word.

Nice try though

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #148)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:41 PM

153. Now you're just being silly.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #153)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:58 PM

157. Nope. Stating FACTS.

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #157)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 04:17 PM

167. No, not facts. A lot of very emotional posts.


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Response to Baltimike (Reply #66)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:32 AM

93. This is your post, yes?



Who were you accusing of 'gaslighting' again?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

That is all.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #93)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 11:32 AM

98. That you KEEP thinking YOU define...there you go again. People can read indeed. nt

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #98)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:17 PM

118. I think that you missed this in a previous post:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

That is all.

(I await your attempt to "win" with another non-answer.)

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #118)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:19 PM

122. There you go again (and again) I know you are but what am I?

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #122)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:21 PM

124. The neediness for my attention...

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #124)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:23 PM

127. There you go again. Desperate.

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #127)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:24 PM

131. "I know you are but what am I"

Who's the most desperate? Take a look at your posts. Others are..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #131)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:27 PM

134. Oh I think they're looking at these posts for SURE There you go again

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #134)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:31 PM

140. You are very, very, very popular and respected!

Which is why you are so anxious for any reply from me! If you didn't have a need for my attention, you'd use the ignore feature.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/overcompensation

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #140)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:33 PM

144. There you go again (and again and again and again)

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #144)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:37 PM

150. Because you seem to really need this kind of validation.

I'm being kind. You really seem to need validation and interaction, even if it's only online.

You're welcome.

https://psychcentral.com/blog/10-more-ideas-to-help-with-loneliness/

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #150)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:37 PM

151. There you go again...."seem"

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #151)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:42 PM

154. Silly....



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Response to Thekaspervote (Reply #51)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 07:28 AM

56. Verify

 

Yes, donating to, supporting, and getting out and voting for the candidate of your choice is a given.

But we can't allow ourselves to be vulnerable to the very real threat that computerized elections are so darn easy to manipulate in so many ways.

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #13)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 08:25 AM

62. Now that's a way to have a constructive discussion, isn't it?

Clearly not your goal.

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 08:36 AM

10. "We" keep refusing to acknowledge that it even happened.?

Speak for yourself, thanks. I don't think anyone on this board is refusing to believe that.

Such an uplifting message.

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Response to babylonsister (Reply #10)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:08 AM

12. Yep...*WE*...and WE will face the same fate since WE aren't doing much about it

You may not think anyone on this board is refusing to believe that....but...maybe you apply that "speak for yourself" mantra to you.

Wow. I mean....WOW

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #12)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:51 AM

26. What are YOU doing about it that no one else is? (nt)

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #26)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 04:20 PM

42. What are YOU doing about it *AT **ALL**? (nt)

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #42)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 08:10 AM

59. Not going to answer the question, I see.

That would not be an opportunity to rant, would it?

What is behind this need for everyone to join in an anger/panic frenzy towards Democrats, who you falsely state are "ignoring" election security?

That's certainly not constructive, or contributing to an actual solution.

The OP seems to indicate a neediness for validation of one's own anxiety, rather than a search for a solution. The post I'm responding to was an opportunity to share what you are doing about, but instead, you flamed me abusively.

That doesn't lend credibility to one's outbursts, does it?

You have an opportunity here to remedy that. Again: What are you, personally doing about it, and what are some constructive, concrete steps that others can take to remedy what you believe to be a total lack of concern by those who could fix it but aren't?



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Response to ehrnst (Reply #59)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:07 AM

69. Not going to allow you to frame my words. But there you go again. nt

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #69)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:08 AM

73. Still avoiding answering the questions....

No surprise. Carry on ranting.

That is all.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #73)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:09 AM

76. as are you.

No surprise though....you dish it, but can't....

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #76)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:11 AM

77. "I know you are but what am I?"

Easier than actually showing there's something behind your rant except anxiety, I guess.

That is all.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #77)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:13 AM

80. There you go again...

and we both KNOW you *won't* be able to leave it alone....so that is all? <<<--------- suuuuuuure it is

I made a simple statement. It's *amazing* how triggered my statement of FACT gets you.

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #80)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:19 AM

86. .....

One more frantic non-answer in an attempt to "win" but actually displaying a continued lack of answers or any interest in discussion.



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Response to ehrnst (Reply #86)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 11:34 AM

100. .....

I know you are but what am I? Answer your OWN logical fallacy, dude. You're welcome

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #100)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 04:17 PM

168. I didn't commit any logical fallacies - I simply pointed out yours.

Is that clearer?

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:20 AM

17. Who is the "we" that refuses do acknowledge it was stolen? Not Democrats..

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #17)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:32 AM

20. WE**US**. Elected Dems say "meddled", and some upgraded to "interfered"

but they CERTAINLY have not said "RIGGED" as there is a moratorium on such things akin to the "don't say they LIED" mantra on the early 2000s.

But thanks for the link

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #20)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:45 AM

25. So this is about your personal definition of "rigged"

So you are upset that word hasn't been used as you would like it to be used, so that totally means Democrats are 'ignoring' what happened in the last election.

Got it.


Does this mesh with your defintion?

"I like to define the rigging of an election as the systematic manipulation of the voting process or the counting of ballots. It's intended to distort the outcome of the election, and it's a systematic effort to do that. ..."

https://www.npr.org/2016/10/18/498296000/election-law-expert-isnt-buying-claims-that-nov-8-will-be-rigged

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #25)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 04:21 PM

43. No, this is about the RIGGING of the '16 election. Words mean things, but thanks for playing. nt

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #43)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 06:44 PM

45. So your definition of "rigging" is different...

Words mean things.

If you are going to be upset that someone isn't using the word rigging, and don't think that they're doing anything about election security if you don't hear your word, then that's your issue.

Thanks for playing.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #45)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 07:12 AM

54. My definition of "rigging" means RIGGED. You are the one trying to redefine things. nt

You're welcome.

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #54)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 08:04 AM

57. Maybe you're confusing me with another person you are arguing with.



You're welcome.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #57)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:07 AM

70. Nope. You're welcome. nt

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #70)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:09 AM

75. "I know you are but what am I?"

That's what you're left with? I guess it's easier than actually discussing things.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #75)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:11 AM

78. There you go again. nt

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #78)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:15 AM

83. "I know you are but what am I?"

Because actually replying with some basis for the OP rant is more difficult, apparently.

That is all.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #83)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 11:36 AM

102. There you go *again*. Now why am I not surprised? nt

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #102)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:16 PM

116. The non-answer in a frantic attempt to "win."

Can I call it or what?

That is all.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #116)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:18 PM

120. Thanks for he kick...there you go again.

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #120)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 04:18 PM

169. It appears that you are kicking on your own. No help from me needed.

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:29 AM

19. Perhaps we should avoid a repeat

By simply not having a popular Presidential election in 2020. It cannot be stolen if it does not happen. It really is nothing more than a glorified straw poll and is assigned far more importance than it has in the Constitution.

Instead we will let state legislators select the electors. The people can lobby their state reps as to who they want for President. If it is a roll call vote in each state there will be zero opportunity to alter a vote after it is cast.

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Response to sarisataka (Reply #19)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:33 AM

21. We don't get to amend the Constitution before then....but it's a good idea. nt

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #21)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:42 AM

23. No Amendment needed

My suggestion is permitted under the Constitution as it stands.

Article 2 Section 1
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
(emphasis added)

The popular vote for President is, Constitutionally, meaningless.

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 10:30 AM

29. it will happen again and the unimpeachable president will help them do it nt

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 10:31 AM

30. Agreed. A lot of people...including many here... can't seem to "go there"

Baffling. Too awful to acknowledge for some,I guess.

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Response to NRaleighLiberal (Reply #30)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 04:22 PM

44. Thank you. I feel like I'm being gaslighted about this...like it's a given

and that just isn't the case.

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #44)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 08:23 AM

61. You are saying that unless they are using the word "rigged" they are doing nothing whatsoever

and that just isn't the case.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #61)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:08 AM

74. No...*YOU* are saying that, and demanding I submit to your strawman. nt

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #74)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:26 AM

90. "I know you are but what am I?"

And we have another non-answer in the absence of an actual response in an attempt to show that everyone who disagrees with you is either "triggered" or "gaslighting."

credibility[ kred-uh-bil-i-tee ]
noun
the quality of being believable or worthy of trust.

Flaming and non-answers are not covered under that definition, are they?

That is all.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #90)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 11:33 AM

99. "I know you are but what am I?"

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #99)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:14 PM

114. And you don't disappoint... On the dot!

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #114)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:16 PM

117. Neither do you...right on cue

You're welcome.

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #117)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:22 PM

126. Tag you're it!

More neediness for attention and projection coming up!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #126)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:24 PM

130. There you go again...kicking and kicking away

No one needs your attention, but your delusion of thinking so, while we can can clearly you just YEARN for the last word.

Thanks for the kick though

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #130)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:33 PM

143. You're welcome. How else would you have ever gotten those kicks?

Not desperate or needy at all!



https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/overcompensation

That is all.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #143)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:34 PM

145. ...

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #145)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:35 PM

147. Tag, ur it!

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #147)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:36 PM

149. Nah...no thanks

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #149)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:40 PM

152. You're welcome!

Volunteering to keep lonely people occupied is a service that helps those who have nowhere else to go for interaction.

That is all. I hope that you get out and try to connect with people. It'll help with practicing talking to people calmly, and not losing one's temper when someone disagrees, and calling them names.

My spouse and I are going to lunch now the laundry is done.

I hope you can make some friends.

That is all.

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/romance-redux/201211/five-ways-overcome-feelings-neediness



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Response to ehrnst (Reply #152)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:59 PM

158. There you go again...making up shit and pretending I need to answer for it

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #158)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 04:30 PM

170. That's not true at all. Sad that you feel a need to

"make up shit" as you so eloquently put it, to defend your position.

Maybe you need to re-examine your position if it requires that.


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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 10:34 AM

31. Nailed it.

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 11:56 AM

33. Vote Blue, we win like in 1990s, 2008, 2012, special elections 2017, and 2018.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #33)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 08:13 AM

60. Thank you. (nt)

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:00 PM

34. If Dump steals this one, the republic is done.

Finished...kaput.

It will be secession time.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #34)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 03:26 PM

162. I know CA will try

They have the most people and money of any state

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 12:47 PM

35. My cousin was in on the 2004 Ohio recount

My cousin was an election observer in the 2004 Ohio vote recount. He saw election workers cross out dozens of Kerry votes and punching in Bush votes. They did this right in front of him. He reported them to his superiors and they did nothing about it.

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Response to Dirty Socialist (Reply #35)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 04:18 PM

40. That's unbelievable. And disheartening. nt

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #40)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 08:29 AM

63. But unless they used the word "rigging" then the person reporting it was

'ignoring' it, right? And doing "nothing about it."

That's your metric for "doing something about it," as you have stated several times here.

Just showing you how your own standard holds up when applied to an actual situation.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #63)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:07 AM

71. There you go again. nt

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #71)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:30 AM

92. "I know you are but what am I?" again...

Still can't back up your claims about Democratic leaders, while denying you made them.

"Gaslighting" anyone?



That is all.

(frantic non-answer in an attempt to "win"

You stated that I was "triggered?" I don't think that word means what you think it does.

Triggered
: an intense and usually negative emotional reaction in (someone)
Water had a way of triggering my brother and making ordinary, everyday weather take a frightening turn for the worse.
ó Ingrid Law


Psychological projection is a defence mechanism in which the human ego defends itself against unconscious impulses or qualities (both positive and negative) by denying their existence in themselves while attributing them to others.[1] For example, a person who is habitually rude may constantly accuse other people of being rude. It incorporates blame shifting.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #92)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 11:35 AM

101. There you go again

LYING and saying I made a claim about Democratic leaders.

Gaslight much?

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #101)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:14 PM

112. And blastoff!

Predictable if nothing else.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #112)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:15 PM

115. Truly. Thanks for kicking my post again though

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #101)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:24 PM

129. You have acquired a stalker.

He's trying to hijack your thread, ignore him. The lack of attention might squelch his personal ad hominem vendetta and allow other readers to see the relevant discussion.

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Response to Dirty Socialist (Reply #35)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 10:32 PM

47. This BS has to stop. We have one of the most corrupt governments in the world.

The problem is, how to stop it.

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Response to Dirty Socialist (Reply #35)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 10:59 PM

49. I think the Russians were much more sophisticated.

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Response to triron (Reply #49)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:08 AM

72. me too. nt

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 09:54 PM

46. knr

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Fri Jun 28, 2019, 11:42 PM

50. It might be worse than that.

 

With all the now-obvious evidence that russia has been performing a cyber-psy-op against our society and elections over the last few years, I'm beginning to wonder if the entire platform and membership of the republican party has been subtly manipulated by russia over the last few decades specifically to sow as much discord, division, and yes, hate, as possible with the direct intent of tearing apart our societal norms and eventually our democracy.

I know it sounds a little far-fetched but lately everything seems crazy and some of the things we KNOW are actually happening are more unbelievable than the idea that we're suffering from a true, sustained, psychological warfare operation started back in the cold war.

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:00 AM

52. Russia has already started a fake news campaign against Harris......

and it is only going to get worse........... we aren't just fighting drumpf and the deplorables, we are fighting Russian intelligence.

https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/craigsilverman/kamala-harris-black-citizenship

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Response to Chin music (Reply #53)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 11:38 AM

104. 17 out of 19 agencies said this was an ATTACK on us

and yet some here was to claim there is no basis for it.

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 09:09 AM

65. "That is all"

I don't think that means what you think it does.

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #65)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:05 AM

67. There you go again. nt

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #67)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:23 AM

89. "I know you are but what am I?"

That certainly lends credibility to your statement that everyone else who disagress with you is "triggered" and "gaslighting" doesn't it?

That is all.

(Frantic response with a non-answer in an effort to appear to have "won" and not 'triggered at all" coming up.)

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Response to ehrnst (Reply #89)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 11:37 AM

103. ...especially when you keep going...flinging strawmen and all.

YOU don't define RIGGING *for* me and then demand I kowtow to your whim. If you disagree with my OP, and don't think that Russia RIGGED the '16 election...that's on YOU. Really.


You're welcome.

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Response to Baltimike (Reply #103)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:13 PM

111. Straw men? You mean like...

If you disagree with my OP, and don't think that Russia RIGGED the '16 election.....


That's also a false dillema - a twofer!!!

That is all.


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Response to ehrnst (Reply #111)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:14 PM

113. No. I don't. But THERE YOU GO AGAIN substituting yours for mine. nt

You're welcome

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:27 AM

91. Jimmy Carter took a huge step Thursday. Bernie's being more point blank in the debates.

Time to get deadly serious about impeachment. Time to shine the light. What have we got to lose? SCOTUS just made gerrymandering worse. We aren't going to win in 2020 unless we kick them in the balls now and every day along the way.

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Response to KPN (Reply #91)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 11:40 AM

105. I completely agree with you. It was a huge step

It reminds me of when Al Franken wrote "Lies and the lying liars who tell them" because back then, it was against some unwritten rule to say that people were "lying". it was not allowed for some reason....but that's what they were doing.

And RIG THE ELECTION is what they did in 2016.

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Response to KPN (Reply #91)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 03:28 PM

163. I think Jimmy did it to wake people up

I think he is afraid it will happen again.

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 10:32 AM

94. They stole 2000 and 2004 as well.

Nothing, nothing else gets fixed till we fix our election systems. Till people can vote and know their votes are counted. Whatever you care about? This is where the solutions start.

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 11:41 AM

106. This is why everyone...

Ö EVERYONE has to vote for the Democratic nominee. In fact, everyone needs to bring someone else to the polls. We need to not worry about how diverse or how not diverse, how moderate or how liberal the nominee is... EVERYONE votes for the Dem - NO EXCEPTIONS.

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Response to Mike Nelson (Reply #106)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 11:44 AM

107. Vote for blue no matter who. nt

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:28 PM

138. PAPER BALLOTS!! Leave an audit trail.

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Response to 33taw (Reply #138)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 12:57 PM

155. I could not agree with you more. I have no idea why they switched from those

in the first place.

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Response to Baltimike (Original post)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 01:48 PM

159. Your job to keep that from happening

is to register people to vote.

Carry registration forms with you everywhere - in the car, in your bag, briefcase, backpack. Ask strangers if they're registered, if not, help them do that. Make sure they sign the form and then turn it in to the county recorders office. You can get forms from DMV, county clerks offices and probably on line. You can't register on line because you must sign, but you can download the forms too.

If you are involved in your county party, make a copy and turn that in so they can contact the registrants and further get out the vote. Don't give up just yet.

And ACLU and others are working on strengthening the voting systems.

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Response to WhiteTara (Reply #159)

Sat Jun 29, 2019, 03:44 PM

164. In my state, you can register online, so it's only a matter of having your phone on you

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