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Mon Jun 24, 2019, 07:11 PM

what would you do if you were in mayor pete's shoes?

(this is not primary related.)

i feel for the guy, sitting through that meeting.
i feel for lori lightfoot, who has to take this on.

it really isnt as simple as firing a few murdering cops. it has to be about more.

the phrase that popped into my mind when i saw the video was 'truth and reconciliation'
the first thing is obviously that people must be heard. and seen.
how would that look?

there is something on npr called story corp, where 2 people go into a booth, and tell a story.

if i were in his shoes, i would immediately facilitate the collection of people's stories.
video booths, accepting written stories, having stenographers to take down stories.
i guess times being what they are, there would need to be some sort of control, some standardized channel.

i would also facilitate taking complaints, w lawyers (not cops), and charge those that are credible complaints.

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Reply what would you do if you were in mayor pete's shoes? (Original post)
mopinko Jun 2019 OP
wasupaloopa Jun 2019 #1
delisen Jun 2019 #2
customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #10
alphafemale Jun 2019 #3
emmaverybo Jun 2019 #4
maxsolomon Jun 2019 #5
hlthe2b Jun 2019 #6
LuvLoogie Jun 2019 #7
Blue_true Jun 2019 #8
mopinko Jun 2019 #9
customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #11
mopinko Jun 2019 #12
customerserviceguy Jun 2019 #13
DeminPennswoods Jun 2019 #14
mopinko Jun 2019 #15
DeminPennswoods Jun 2019 #16
SKKY Jun 2019 #17

Response to mopinko (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 07:23 PM

1. He needs to remain in control of his campaign.

He can use his staff to work with local issues as long as he directs them.

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Response to mopinko (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 07:30 PM

2. Stop running; keep mayoring

Work with the people to solve the problem, figure out and tell us what you need that is beyond your control as mayor, what is needed beyond that which you succeed at- and then teach, preach, and run

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Response to delisen (Reply #2)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 09:04 PM

10. Yes

He's got a lot of time ahead of him. Gain the trust of the African-American community in South Bend, then he has a shot at gaining their trust nationwide.

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Response to mopinko (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 07:39 PM

3. He should have expected that question and already had some type of resolution.

Instead he seemed stunned and flat-footed.

He's not ready for prime time.

He's a nice enough guy with promise, but needs more experience.

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Response to mopinko (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 07:49 PM

4. Talk about bold, new idea. Taking truth and reconciliation courts to the community level

would be a way for people to feel heard, for the mayor to find out what has been going on. And, legally, to gather testimony for complaints that need to be lodged.

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Response to mopinko (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 07:53 PM

5. there's no easy fix. police respond with deadly force to knives. they always shoot to kill.

"center mass".

they're basically never held to account for that (over)reaction - which seems to kill many more black people than white. too many subjective parameters.

after all, that person could be a ninja; the police have no way to know they're not experts at throwing knives, etc.

"suicide by cop" is in no way unique to South Bend.

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Response to mopinko (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 07:56 PM

6. Lots of mistakes I think but though he showed himself to be responsive with the town hall...

he hadn't done any foundational work prior to that and thus it blew up.

He should have first met with a number of smaller groups--influential African American community members and leaders. Identify ALL of the issues and perhaps together design a response strategy. Hopefully, he could have gained both confidence and support from at least some who met with him. Only then, and joined by these community members/leaders should he have held the town hall. Of course, he should have been simultaneously responding via press release and/or public statement as to what he was doing as well as his sincere feelings about what had happened.

There is always a belief that public town hall venting sessions are useful. It has been my experience that when emotions are highest, they usually are not. And when there has been years and decades of grievances not addressed it is only to be expected that even the "best" leader/politician will be met with I intense anger. I recall attending a national environmental meeting helmed by then Clinton EPA Head, Carole Browner. The conference was on environmental equity. While there had been no inciting event, the years of horrific lack of attention to the issue and the emergence of toxic industry "cancer alleys" and the like in minority and low-income areas of the country had been cumulative. Carol Browner, though a decent administrator who appeared to really care about the issue was never going to be able to come on the stage with anything less than an eruption from the audience and it devolved from there. Had conference organizers included representatives and community leaders from these impacted areas of the country, it might not have become such a screaming match that ultimately failed in its purpose. I learned a lot from seeing that.

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Response to mopinko (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 07:57 PM

7. He should stay in his city. Let the vunteers do what they can

to raise money. He can stay on top of national issues from his office in Indiana. He can do campaign "PSAs"

It's early; it's the digital age. He does not need to be on the trail.

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Response to mopinko (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 08:04 PM

8. Lori Lightfoot is the new mayor of Chicago, not South Bend Indiana.

Buttigieg is in a tough spot, the police department issues did not develop overnight. Unfortunately Mayors get blamed for bad cops and every other thing that happens in a city, but they also wanted the job.

How should he deal with it? Invent a time machine to take himself back almost 8 years as a newly elected mayor who saw what the future was, other than that, he really does not have any control over the situation, other than mentoring the new mayor that will take over late this year or early next.

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Response to mopinko (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 08:16 PM

9. ya know, sometimes y'all dont get a firm grip on the thread.

ii didnt ask what pete did wrong, not did i ask what pete should do.


i asked what YOU would do.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #9)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 09:06 PM

11. Withdraw.

There's no way to win now.

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Response to customerserviceguy (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 09:07 PM

12. i meant about cops shooting people.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #12)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 09:11 PM

13. You asked

what would I do if in Mayor Pete's shoes?

As far as handling the situation in South Bend, civil service and union rules require that there is an investigation first before any disciplinary action. I don't have a problem with that, and I don't think Pete should short-circuit that process. At this point, it's impossible for him to undo what was done. All that can be done is to learn from this, and find ways to prevent it happening in the future. I'm sure Pete Buttigieg is 100% behind that approach.

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Response to mopinko (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 10:14 PM

14. Here goes

Take a page from Pittsburgh's book after Antwon Rose II was killed by police. The officer was acquitted because the state law on the books gives police cover to use deadly force if they feel their life is threatened or they feel in danger. The community along with mayor Peduto have come together to work with the state legislature to get the law changed so police can't be absolved of bad decisions because of the way the law is written.

Stop encouraging applications from former military, unless they were MPs, to join the police force. The military is trained to kill, not to build community relations in service of creating a civil society.

Make psychological testing a part of the hiring process and periodically re-test employees to determine if their mindset has changed.

Make a clear list of expectations for police and for the community.

Sit down with the FOP and community reps to figure out what good policing looks like. Bringing the FOP into the process gives them buy-in rather than constantly feeling pressured to defend police regardless of how egregiously they act.

I think he probably needs to suspend his presidential campaign and deal with his responsibilities as mayor, too.

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Response to DeminPennswoods (Reply #14)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 10:24 PM

15. i would be looking at the ripped cops if they get in trouble.

imho a lot of this is roid rage. i suspect you could learn a lot about a person by watching them in the gym.

there should be mandatory drug screens for any cop that pulls their gun.
and an automatic suspension if they turn their cams off.

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Response to mopinko (Reply #15)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 10:42 PM

16. Good point

nt

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Response to mopinko (Original post)

Mon Jun 24, 2019, 10:42 PM

17. Under the circumstances, not nearly as well as he has....

There was no way to come out of this unscathed. He did the absolute best he could, which is way better than almost anyone else would have. No complaints. It was a shit sandwich.

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