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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHoly cow. Trump and this Iran episode is getting like total bullshit
An ex-military expert said there was zero chance he wasn't briefed on potential deaths long before - at the outset. Trump states it only knew at the end before start.
So his bullshit deal about saying last minute he asked the question..how many would die...is pure theater.
He either is a total and complete incompetent CIC...who couldn't even bring himself to read a brief?
Or he is bullshitting to portray himself as some kind of human rights beacon.
Then ... amazingly...he just said he would obliterate Iran. WTF ? Thought you JUST we're worried about the 150 people who would have died that Pence and Bolton weren't worried about?
Is Anonymous still there?
malaise
(267,824 posts)don't look at latest the rape accusation
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)If what you are saying is just unbelievable.
Yet, I believe it could be true. The lying about stupid stuff is now playing out. We can't even believe our president about a military attack. Oh wait...Bush/Cheney redux.
Oh lordie...CNN now saying he says he never met her. And is asking for anyone out there with evidence to come forward.
malaise
(267,824 posts)He will have E. Jean Carroll on tonight.
https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=12208506
Will look for the recipe over the weekend
Tanuki
(14,893 posts)I don't want to risk missing it.
malaise
(267,824 posts)Tanuki
(14,893 posts)I will put it to good use in your mom's punch!
Ligyron
(7,592 posts)Been hooked ever since.
CottonBear
(21,596 posts)One of sour,
Two of sweet,
Three of strong,
And four of weak.
This is my Grenadian friends recipe for rum punch, which uses Mt. Gay rum.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)CottonBear
(21,596 posts)I hope you get to enjoy a real Mt. Gay Rum Punch while youre there. 🍹
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Follow up M.
malaise
(267,824 posts)on this thread
dawg day
(7,947 posts)/photo/1?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1142190019018448896&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.huffpost.com%2Fentry%2Ftrump-response-e-jean-carroll-rape-allegation_n_5d0d4a42e4b0a39418626c52" target="_blank">Scott Bixby posted it on Twitter.
UTUSN
(70,497 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)struggle4progress
(118,041 posts)and perhaps the whole story is almost entirely fiction
Donnie has an extremely limited attention span, and a tendency towards inventing at the slightest pretext stories that temporarily seem convenient to him, without any feeling that what he says now should be consistent with whatever he said the day before yesterday or even ten minutes ago
Maybe he sat through two days of staff saying stuff like We have to react somehow! and What can we tell the public we've been doing? -- while he was watching Fox and planning his next Twitter spasm -- and then when he had the chance, he suddenly just blurted out some complete nonsense
mercuryblues
(14,491 posts)Or was this whole thing made up by trump to get the rape accusation off the front page.
RobinA
(9,878 posts)This whole thing has an odor about it. Planes with bombs in the air and he says Never mind? Not everybody who would be involved in something like that is a complete moron. I kinda dont buy this whole thing. I think that fact that he allegedly told Iran is the tell. Is MO is to threaten to do something but never do it.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Speak up, no? And say, we were never deployed at all???
KT2000
(20,544 posts)he is playing games with the military and they are not going to support that - of course he was briefed on the number of deaths early on.
He is going to find that listening to the various rw think tanks AND Putin will get him all mixed up and stupid.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)advising him. Saying look, you hate Mideast wars, remember? Bolton and Pence are pushing you that way!!
if he can get any stupider than what he already is by listening to RW (not) thinking tanks, or RW radio and TV. It's a safe bet that listening to RW talk radio and TV will make anyone who believes their BS really stupid . As for Putin he's Trump boss and he has to listen to him.
rufus dog
(8,419 posts)He is Vlad's bitch
TrollBuster9090
(5,953 posts)According to reports, he he was briefed about the plan at a security meeting yesterday at 3pm, and then he got on the phone to people to ask their last minute advice.
My money says he either talked to Putin of Mohammed 'bone-saw' Salman, who advised him against it. The only things Colonel Blimp (aka Pompeo) and Major Mustache (aka Bolton) think about is the fact that Iran can't beat the USA in a conventional military war of attrition. (Although, it would FINISH the U.S. financially to fight such a war. It cost the USA probably $5 TRILLION dollars, and thousands of US soldiers dead just to knock over Saddam in Iraq; and all of that without replacing him with a democratic leader. After all that blood and treasure, Iraq is not an IRANIAN satellite. Iran would be ten times harder to tackle, even by CONVENTIONAL military means. The population is three times the size of Iraq, and has five times the unity and fighting strength. They're all the same race (Persians), and are not composed of several warring ethnic and religious factions.)
But leaving that aside, Putin and MBS both know Iran's REAL strength is in their formidable skills at asymmetric warfare. They know that if the US bombed Iran, Iran would basically blow up (metaphorically) Syria and Yemen, causing unbelievable trouble for Putin and MBS. And probably also cause trouble for Israel, by getting Hezbollah to shower Israel with rockets from Lebanon.
Meanwhile, U.S. military policy is being run by a bunch of morons who only know how to count the number of TANKS each side has.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)first book and about how trump would spend hours and hours on the phone at night speaking to "off the grid" type advisors
mopinko
(69,806 posts)i picked up several works and phrases which obviously came from his briefings, as they were def not in his vocabulary.
i dont think he asked it. i think the generals, wanting to stop him from dropping the bombs, reminded him that people would die.
or told him to say that the deaths were why, even tho the reason was that pootie told him no.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)home and have had the news on in the background all day long for Trump's residency. Don't underestimate the value of hearing somewhat normal drone and then something makes you stop, turn the sound up, and say " out of the norm."
mopinko
(69,806 posts)i work w dementia patients and am firmly in camp brain damage.
why his 4th grade vocabulary and inability to distinguish right from wrong are not a klaxon call for an intervention, i have no idea. and it makes me quake for my country.
fuck, for reality.
Pobeka
(4,999 posts)It's a total setup by someone much smarter than Trump: -- look, see how Trump can show thoughtful restraint.
So next year, when he starts the war to aid in his election bid, he can have some veneer that he doesn't want to hurt innocent people, and has no other choice than war with Iran.
Many will buy this theater. Anyone paying attention knows Trump doesn't care who lives or dies, or how. He only cares about himself. Exhibit 1 -- Central Park 5. Exhibit 2 - inhuman treatment of asylum seeking refuges at our southern border.
But, suddenly he cares about 150 people from what he perceives is a sh*t hole country that he says is a threat to the USA? Give me a break...
moondust
(19,917 posts)It may be a bullshit story he made up trying to look like a superhero.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Is praising him for his constraint and care for human life. But it's not some stupid twist in the Apprentice. It's lives, and countries, and the world now. It's people somewhere somehow who go to bed worried like none of us have to worry.
JoeOtterbein
(7,698 posts)What better way than war?
Alwaysna
(574 posts)Chemisse
(30,793 posts)Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Mr.Bill
(24,104 posts)and exposed to the world what a clusterfuck the decision process for whether to go to war is in the current administrations.
Add to that in all probability no thought was even given to what allies would be behind us if we made such a move. Actually, maybe they did think about it and the answer was nobody. Who wants to be an ally of a leader who lies and makes things up? We don't even know who our secretary of defense will be in a few weeks.
YOHABLO
(7,358 posts)mgardener
(1,799 posts)About a president whose First question. Was. not. "how many innocent people will be killed by this action"?
This Republican party is not pro life. NOTHING they do, who they support show any respect for life. It is all about the money they can make and who they can control.
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)No idea why this is not being dealt with through Congress, but oh well.
Meantime, I am glad we are not at war. And maybe his stupidity will start to sink into his base.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)this goes on the worse he becomes. Meanwhile he blatantly says he will accept dirt from any country he pleases....our response? Silly him.
BigmanPigman
(51,432 posts)know what a Bigly humanitarian he is.
I hope Bill Maher nails him for all of this tonight.
dlk
(11,438 posts)As disgusting as may be, Trump is a master manipulator. He has the mainstream media eating out of the palm of his grubby hand.
triron
(21,916 posts)Caliman73
(11,694 posts)The man cannot tell the truth to save his life.
He is a coward, a liar, and an overall waste of oxygen.
Achilleaze
(15,543 posts)Why? Why? Why?
Alwaysna
(574 posts)mnmoderatedem
(3,706 posts)the military generals he professes to love, of course.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Ilsa
(61,675 posts)inaccurate, full of holes, or lies. His reality and expression of it are at best confabulations, at worst, lies.
The story sounds great to anyone living outside DC because they probably don't know better. But analysts, reporters, anyone working in high levels of govt can see there is a problem.
LastLiberal in PalmSprings
(12,539 posts)Are our missiles that inaccurate? I thought Dubya said he wouldn't pay $1 million "just to send a missile up a camel's ass." That sounds pretty accurate to me!
Did the Iranians set up the launcher in the middle of the town square?
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)Why wouldn't they all evacuate wherever it was?
duforsure
(11,882 posts)Creates a situation where he uses threats and propaganda to later claim he and only he saved us, or fabricated bs and it's all an act. This was staged more than likely to try and. to make him look good , but it has all backfired, plus Putin has stopped him from inciting this any further with a statement, which trump is weak against and scared of Putin.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)was to go in to a client's place and invent and then declare to mgt that there was a insurmountable issue. Then they would say, ok...we will TRY and fix it. They already knew to solution.
Skittles
(152,966 posts)HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
Ron Green
(9,821 posts)as they advised him of the probable outcomes of his decision.