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Thu Jun 20, 2019, 08:44 AM

Trump Admin argues in court-they are not required to give soap or toothbrushes to detained children

The Trump admin argued in court that the government is not required to give soap or toothbrushes to children apprehended at the border and can have them sleep on concrete floors in frigid, overcrowded cells, Courthouse News reports.





SAN FRANCISCO (CN) – The Trump administration argued in front of a Ninth Circuit panel Tuesday that the government is not required to give soap or toothbrushes to children apprehended at the U.S.-Mexico border and can have them sleep on concrete floors in frigid, overcrowded cells, despite a settlement agreement that requires detainees be kept in “safe and sanitary” facilities.

All three judges appeared incredulous during the hearing in San Francisco, in which the Trump administration challenged previous legal findings that it is violating a landmark class action settlement by mistreating undocumented immigrant children at U.S. detention facilities.

“You’re really going to stand up and tell us that being able to sleep isn’t a question of safe and sanitary conditions?'” U.S. Circuit Judge Marsha Berzon asked the Justice Department’s Sarah Fabian Tuesday.

U.S. Circuit Judge William Fletcher also questioned the government’s interpretation of the settlement agreement.

“Are you arguing seriously that you do not read the agreement as requiring you to do anything other than what I just described: cold all night long, lights on all night long, sleeping on concrete and you’ve got an aluminum foil blanket?” Fletcher asked Fabian. “I find that inconceivable that the government would say that that is safe and sanitary.”


https://www.courthousenews.com/feds-tell-9th-circuit-detained-kids-safe-and-sanitary-without-soap/



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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 08:52 AM

1. These people are fucking demons

What kind of heartless message are we sending to the world that OUR government would say crap like this in court? SMDH.

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Response to Docreed2003 (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:00 AM

6. I hear you doc

This shit kids in cages suffering fuck man it tears me up

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Response to TEB (Reply #6)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:12 AM

9. Me too TEB

So infuriating

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Response to Docreed2003 (Reply #1)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:43 AM

20. This is logical after Bush sanctioned torture

Fuck these monsters

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Response to malaise (Reply #20)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:51 AM

21. Exactly

Treat any "other" as subhuman "animals"

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Response to malaise (Reply #20)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 10:13 AM

23. YES! a straight line from there to here.


And thank god for that court transcript/report..it will become Exhibit # whatever when we start the trials.

this is heartbreaking.

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 10:15 AM

25. This should be in every ad for 2020

Good effin' grief..
Hope they can handle it when Americans get the same treatment overseas

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Response to dixiegrrrrl (Reply #23)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 06:31 PM

66. crimes against humanity

It's not just the conditions imposed; it's also the separation of children with the resulting emotional, mental harm to them and their families.

These evil bastards need to be prosecuted.

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Response to Hermit-The-Prog (Reply #66)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:23 PM

72. The CULTURE and EDUCATION of the USA teaches greed and indifference

Time to change our country at its core, not just in its figureheads.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 08:57 AM

2. Evil

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Response to TEB (Reply #2)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 11:57 AM

47. Pure, unadulterated evil

Done to be as cruel and punitive as possible, just to satisfy Trump's knuckledragging mouth breathers.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 08:58 AM

3. How Christian of them . . .

Evangelists RW "Christians" are fake motherf**kers

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:00 AM

4. another manifestation

of the morally degenerate Trump administration. They put on their finest Sunday clothes to be seen sitting in the front pews of their prosperity Christian churches to be told that they, and only they, are going to heaven, because they belong to the one true church. Where the Parable of the Good Samaritan and the Beatitudes are never preached. Where they never hear how Jesus drove the money changers from the temple. Where "suffer the little children to come unto me" is never mentioned.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:00 AM

5. This is cruel and inhumane. And yet, some people are offended at the comparison

of these detention facilities to concentration camps.

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 10:16 AM

26. Thread winner

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #5)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 10:32 AM

32. Chuck toady looks pretty stupid right now for his rant on this very subject

His feigned outrage over AOC calling these camps what they are..concentration camps....I use "feigned" because I honestly think his rant was purely political, swiping at AOC...

The families only want to protect their children from a very dangerous situation in their own country...they are desperate and hungry and tired.. and now facing more evil..

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Response to Arkansas Granny (Reply #5)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 07:35 AM

77. Cruelty on purpose. Damage the kids to deter the parents. . . . nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:04 AM

7. The government should have $ interest in soap/toothbrush companies(Lip curling sarcasm)

And LLBean sleeping bags and cots.
If it were made profitable for them, they would supply them. (More lip curling)

Really, who ARE these men who have the soulless repugnance to stand in court and support this vomitus inhumanity? WHO the Godless Hell are they????

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Response to Guilded Lilly (Reply #7)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 07:47 PM

70. Well said!


We know exactly who they are.

The hate that we thought we quenched in WW2.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:06 AM

8. goddamn these 'people'

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Response to spanone (Reply #8)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:21 AM

10. Do you know of any republican

Who is not a faux christian?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:22 AM

11. Maybe Franklin Graham could cough up some money from Samaritan's Purse to ease their suffering,

starting with the more than $200k in bribes he has received from MF45. Every day there is more to despise.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:22 AM

12. This travesty tears my heart out.

Hillary calling them "deplorables" was being kind. We are finding they are so much worse. It is pure Evil being released in our country and, sadly, in our name. And yet 30% to 40% of our population supports this. May karma visit them x1000!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:29 AM

13. We are putting children in concentration camps.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:30 AM

14. Maybe things like this will wake people up to the inhumane nature

of the Trump Administration.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:36 AM

15. child abuse

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:37 AM

16. "...just following orders."

Are we doomed to repeat recent history? Our treatment of CHILDREN will be a Stain on our country forever. This MUST STOP

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:37 AM

17. I hope someone asks those self proclaimed child advocates Ivanka and Jackie-Ho

what they're doing to rectify this.
From the link:
"Today we have a situation where once a month a child is dying in [federal] custody,” he added. “Certainly the Border Patrol facilities are secure, but they’re not safe and they’re not sanitary.”

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:38 AM

18. Gotta pay $100 million for golf trips?

Can we take him to court on dat?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:41 AM

19. oh fuck him

I give toothbrushes and tooth paste to the homeless

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 10:03 AM

22. Regardless

of whether the law requires basic needs, humanity demands it. Oh, that's right; the trump administration isn't human.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 10:14 AM

24. K & R for exposure.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 10:18 AM

27. In a perfect world

there would be Nuremberg like trials of the whole Trump cabal.

It will be embarrassing to America but also serve as a thorough cleansing.

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Response to Vegas Roller (Reply #27)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 08:08 AM

78. They would need to stand in line behind W and Cheney et al.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 10:21 AM

28. Trumpistas have long ago jumped the shark of cruel and unusual punishment. ITMF & crew. n/t

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 10:22 AM

29. Bad, but not Nazi bad (or so I've heard here on DU)

"ICE - not as bad as the Nazis, so STFU"

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 10:24 AM

30. Evil, this is evil

Children in cages sleeping on concrete floors with no soap or tooth brushes. This is pure evil and we need to stop it right now!

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 10:31 AM

31. K & R...for visibility...nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 10:34 AM

33. MATA - Make America Torture Again!

Fuck these Nazi pieces of shit in this administration. How are they not concentration camps exactly?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 10:35 AM

34. When we take back power, there must be trials.

The monsters must be held accountable for their crimes against humanity.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 10:36 AM

35. The House should initiate impeachment hearings for this atrocity alone.

In republican bizarro world it's o.k. for them to be concentration camps. We just aren't supposed to CALL them concentration camps. Sadistic tendencies seems to be prevalent in anyone identifying themselves as a republican.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 10:38 AM

36. Here's the argument (at around 25:00). The Justice Department is arguing that a consent decree....

PrinceOfWhalesHat Retweeted

Here's the argument (at around 25:00). The Justice Department is arguing that a consent decree requiring the gov't to provide "safe and sanitary" conditions for detained minors doesn't mean they need to be able to sleep or wash.

Judge Berzon: "Really?"


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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 10:41 AM

37. This is child abuse, carried out in America, by our government. It is abhorrent. Shame, shame.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 10:43 AM

38. May the perps rot in hell !

When will someone show up and start moving the kids to family/care givers?

No children in concentration camps. Makes you want to commit those that argue to adjacent facilities for lawyers/perpetrators.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 10:55 AM

39. And yet, some on DU took exception a year ago

when I called them Trump's Kiddie Koncentration Kamps.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 10:58 AM

40. Inmates in prison

Receive soap and toothbrushes, including those on death row. They have cots, they have blankets.

We can't do the same for children who have committed no crime?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 11:02 AM

41. Those monsters are treating migrant families worse than animals

They treat convicts better than asylum seekers! They're stereotyping Central American refugees as gang members as if they all were.

The Trump regime, especially Stephen Miller, needs to be dragged to the Hague on charges of genocide and crimes against humanity. We might not be signatories to the ICC, but we are signatories to the Geneva Convention.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 11:15 AM

42. People right here on DU arguing that using the term concentration camp is offensive to them.

Good for this rabbi for speaking up.

Shame on anyone who thinks this treatment is in any way acceptable.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 11:41 AM

43. I was an Advocate in the Federal Court in Alabama in 1971 when

Federal Judge Frank Johnson ruled that that patients of Alabama's institutions for the retarded and mentally ill were entitled to humane care. He ordered a long list of standards which included soap, tooth brushes and paste and bathroom facilities other than tin buckets. I would guess that those judges in California might be looking at that landmark case.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 11:48 AM

44. Is this for real? That some everyday Americans treat their fellow human beings in this manner? ...

One day we'll have control of the government again, won by hard working, decent Americans called the democratic party and their friends. These people running these 'concentration camps' in such foul and unsanitary conditions should be hunted down (and their leaders who advocated such conditions) arrested and put in front of a condition and made to atone for these ridiculous and horrendous things. Justice will prevail. The Statue of Liberty will be proud again. Immigrants will be welcomed again w/ open arms, after all, America is an immigrant nation.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 11:49 AM

45. History will be the final judge no matter what we call this horrendous detention separation now.

Concentration camps as we understand the term today is appropriate. This treatment makes our country criminal using our tax money. As long as this transpires we are all participants in crime. Why is news media not clamoring to report what is being done in our name?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 11:52 AM

46. K&R for visibility. nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 12:28 PM

48. Republican Christian Values In Action

Every day, they take hypocrisy to new levels. Their bitter hatred is without limit.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 01:17 PM

49. Why hasn't the UN stepped in? This is a fking CRIME AGAINST HUMANITY!

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Response to OMGWTF (Reply #49)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 07:27 AM

75. Because of the US Govt

We provide significant portions of the UN budget and are on the permanent security council and the HQ is in NY.

There has been many times in the past where the any UN criticism of US policy or actions has been met with US threats to revoke funding and/or we veto it as a member of security council.

We are not bound by the international criminal courts nor UN monitoring.

We have made ourselves immune to any official body that reviews or sanctions behavior of bad actors.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 01:33 PM

50. So they only do what is "required".

The hell with doing what is right and proper. God I hate this man.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 01:44 PM

51. How Christian and pro-life of them.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 02:07 PM

52. That way, they can call the kids 'dirty foreigners'.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 02:44 PM

53. This is barbaric nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 02:53 PM

54. Tough. "Pottery Barn" rule applies. NM

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 03:06 PM

55. AOC

was right in her comment. We do not know what atrocities are being done to children and parents behind these walls. Not giving toothbrushes for hygiene care, or letting grown men not to take baths or give them clean clothes. This smells of Stephen Miller his name is on this.

They are treating these people like animals, who's to say are we next with this sick sick delusional bastard tRump.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 03:11 PM

56. Detainees can make their own soap

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 03:30 PM

57. You don't provide soap and toothbrushes because

you have to. You provide those essentials, along with a comfortable place to sleep,because it's the right, humane, and just thing to do. Our government at this point is on par with any oppressive regime. Hangs head in shame.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 03:42 PM

58. I am soooo glad the conditions of the trump/miller shitholes are getting national attention, FINALLY

Summer is here. Temps will soar, and that will kill people. Period.

Hurricanes may well blow into Homestead, Florida, where, I've read, there is no evacuation plan for the children there.

Open the goddamn doors, you sadistic motherfuckers

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 03:54 PM

59. and they are "pro-life"

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 04:03 PM

60. so I suppose the adults can do without them

as a matter of course.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 05:11 PM

61. Can we mail toothbrushes and toothpaste and soap?

I received a new toothbrush yesterday at the dentist. Maybe the USPS should deluge the camps with toiletries. Or someone could use drones to drop care packages.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 05:24 PM

62. The legal fees to make this argument

would have paid for fucking soap.

Assholes.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 05:44 PM

63. Next they'll be shaving their heads because of lice.

Lice shampoo is expensive, and you have to pick out the nits.

There is more humiliation coming.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 06:01 PM

64. Will this be on the nightly news?

Will it be on Good Morning America or the Today Show? Please let me know when that happens.

How many people in our country even know about this? Where are the photographs? Oh, that's right. They won't let outsiders in to see what's going on so there'll be no photographs.

Where is/are the patriots who will devise a scheme to get into these concentration camps and take the photos?

I can't even begin to tell you how sickening this is to me. Children. Well, I don't know why I'm surprised because even after the horrid images from Sandy Hook we can't even bolster enough support to deal with the epidemic of gun violence.

I'm honestly glad I'm in the last years of my life. I can't take much more of this.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 06:12 PM

65. The inhumanity and grotesqueries of the Trump administration.

nt

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 07:03 PM

67. Completely and utterly despicable

I am at a loss for words at their cruelty and inhumanity towards human beings in general, and when you think that these are CHILDREN they're talking about, it's just unbelievable. It's incomprehensible that anyone could be so evil, and so clueless to think that they should be able to get away with this. They really think that a judge with any kind of decency would go along with this? It makes me sick.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 07:03 PM

68. And the Christian Right is Silent

what assholes

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Response to saljr1 (Reply #68)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 08:30 AM

82. The 'Christian Right' is complicit and loving it.

Jesus will kick their sorry asses for harming innocents.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 07:44 PM

69. NOT NORMALIZING ATROCITY


Thank you and Godspeed, AOC!


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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:14 PM

71. Are these the detention centers that are being paid $300/night/person?

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Thu Jun 20, 2019, 09:36 PM

73. If there is a hell, these people have secured a special place there

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 03:25 AM

74. Of course they want to make it legal

what evil asshole they are.

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 07:31 AM

76. What amazed me was that

this lady would make this argument. Is she a trump appointee? How can you be smart enough to get a law degree and yet make such a stupid and evil argument?

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Response to Turbineguy (Reply #76)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 08:16 AM

80. If given the choice as an attorney to have to make this argument or quit my job - I would quit

I could never ever stand and do what this attorney did in arguing what she was and why....

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 08:16 AM

79. An administration so evil they're in contempt of the devil.

In strong competition with W's bunch of neocons......

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Response to kpete (Original post)

Fri Jun 21, 2019, 08:27 AM

81. The whole Trump administration should be arrested.

And thrown away for their crimes against humanity. This is sick.

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