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SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 10:11 AM Jun 2019

Jessica Biel Comes Out as Anti-Vaxx Activist

Joins Robert F. Kennedy Jr. to Lobby Against CA Vaccination Bill

Tuesday, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., an environmental activist whose recent work has focused increasingly on baseless allegations that vaccines are unsafe and can injure a statistically minuscule population of “medically fragile” children, appeared at the California State Assembly beside an unlikely scene partner: actress Jessica Biel. In a series of Instagram posts, first reported in Jezebel by Anna Merlan, the two posed with activists, legislators, and miscellaneous bureaucratic architecture. In the caption, Kennedy called Biel “courageous.”

The duo had come to lobby against SB 276, a California state bill that would limit medical exemptions from vaccinations without approval from a state public health officer. The bill has been decried by anti-vaxx advocates like Kennedy and vaguely critiqued by current Governor Gavin Newsom, over official estimations that it would reduce medical exemptions by nearly 40 percent.


Although reports circulated in 2015 that Biel and her husband, Justin Timberlake, did not plan to vaccinate their kids (“She feels that vaccination could cause complications,” a source told In Touch Weekly), Biel has never publicly commented on the vaccination debate. But on a phone call with The Daily Beast, Kennedy confirmed that the actress, whose past controversial opinions include insisting it is a “struggle” to get roles because she is too sexy, was “upset about this issue because of its particular cruelty.”

Kennedy, who takes issue with the label “anti-vaxx”—which he deems “pharmaceutical propaganda” and “a lie”—declined to align Biel with the controversial movement. “I would say that she was for safe vaccines and for medical freedom,” Kennedy said, before echoing an anti-vaxx rallying cry: “My body, my choice.”




https://www.thedailybeast.com/jessica-biel-comes-out-as-anti-vaxx-activist-joins-robert-f-kennedy-jr-to-lobby-against-ca-vaccination-bill?via=twitter_page


Loons. All of them.

Sid
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Jessica Biel Comes Out as Anti-Vaxx Activist (Original Post) SidDithers Jun 2019 OP
I can't fight the, can't fight the feeling... qazplm135 Jun 2019 #1
Kennedy sounds pretty reasonable about other things Johonny Jun 2019 #47
Kennedy is NOT an anti-vaxxer, he is for improvements in vaccines womanofthehills Jun 2019 #79
LOL, his own family called him out last month as an anti-vaxxer Johonny Jun 2019 #90
He still thinks MMR causes autism NickB79 Jun 2019 #93
They have their right say what they believe and Butterflylady Jun 2019 #2
Can you really blame people for no longer trusting the medical industry? ansible Jun 2019 #3
... SidDithers Jun 2019 #4
I can't even. Dave Starsky Jun 2019 #6
Well on our way to having an Idiocracy Bradshaw3 Jun 2019 #12
That movie took place 500 years in the future. Dave Starsky Jun 2019 #20
Etan Coen agreed in 2016 Bradshaw3 Jun 2019 #56
Jessica Beal did NOT come out as anti-vax womanofthehills Jun 2019 #63
THANK YOU for this. DU jumps the gun too quick at times. nt USALiberal Jun 2019 #68
The trouble is that celebrities and wealthy people can always find a rotten doctor... hunter Jun 2019 #75
Somehow I missed your post trev Jun 2019 #95
... bronxiteforever Jun 2019 #5
Perfect..... Pachamama Jun 2019 #28
Can I blame people for being idiots edhopper Jun 2019 #8
I can blame people for risking lives because they believe in woo mcar Jun 2019 #10
Yes I can blame people for being idiots. MicaelS Jun 2019 #13
Never mind the industry. Trust your medical providers. Aristus Jun 2019 #18
Even the CDC says some kids with allergies should not get vaccines and this bill goes against theCDC womanofthehills Jun 2019 #64
Of course if a child is allergic to the vaccine, they should not get it. Aristus Jun 2019 #65
But this bill is saying no matter what drs say, the child should get the shot womanofthehills Jun 2019 #66
So noted anti-vaxxer RFK Jr is misrepresenting vaccine legislation? Aristus Jun 2019 #72
Yup. But anti-vaxxers lap that shit up...nt SidDithers Jun 2019 #74
How about trusting settled science? nt Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2019 #24
yes i can ! stonecutter357 Jun 2019 #31
The topic here is science. SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #32
There are no government studies - big pharma does their own studies womanofthehills Jun 2019 #67
You are so wrong that it hurts. SouthernProgressive Jun 2019 #73
The majority of trials are conducted and funded by the industry womanofthehills Jun 2019 #78
Mistrust of an industry is not the same as mistrust of science. LanternWaste Jun 2019 #34
I'm a big fan of science based medicine. Vaccinations aren't comradebillyboy Jun 2019 #42
Yes. Act_of_Reparation Jun 2019 #43
Well said. Aristus Jun 2019 #57
So, comment on Cohen getting 1.2 million from Novartis - sleazy right!! womanofthehills Jun 2019 #85
Are you honestly suggesting we shouldn't vaccinate because some people make money on vaccines? Act_of_Reparation Jun 2019 #99
The medical industry has a lot of issues Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2019 #45
There is room to improve vaccines - HRSA paid out $4,149,443,361.57 for vaccine injury womanofthehills Jun 2019 #88
What is your point, exactly? Act_of_Reparation Jun 2019 #100
Yes I can. Their disbelief is a bad as climate deniers. GulfCoast66 Jun 2019 #55
lulz obamanut2012 Jun 2019 #58
Merck paid $950 million over Vioxx womanofthehills Jun 2019 #80
No they don't edhopper Jun 2019 #9
How so? sl8 Jun 2019 #52
"My body, my choice" but OUR herd immunity! TheBlackAdder Jun 2019 #7
"My body, my choice" is an argument MurrayDelph Jun 2019 #36
Disappointing... Wounded Bear Jun 2019 #11
Antivaxxers are worse than the moon landing hoax people Calculating Jun 2019 #14
Gross. Initech Jun 2019 #15
Biel herself is almost certainly vaccinated jmowreader Jun 2019 #16
Very good point. trev Jun 2019 #39
She is not an anti-vaxxer - READ what she actually says womanofthehills Jun 2019 #81
Ugh. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2019 #17
Don't forget climate change deniers. Dave Starsky Jun 2019 #22
And Mr Wizard! Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2019 #23
I forgot that Don Herbert had a show on PBS back then, too. Dave Starsky Jun 2019 #25
I used to watch him on Nickelodeon in the late 80s/early 90s. Dr Hobbitstein Jun 2019 #26
I was a big fan, too. Dave Starsky Jun 2019 #27
Climate change deniers, flat earthers, 9/11 truthers, moon landing hoaxers, etc. Initech Jun 2019 #33
I feel their stupidity coukd cause lethal complications...nt uriel1972 Jun 2019 #19
There is ZERO evidence vaccines are harmful Jessica. Claritie Pixie Jun 2019 #21
Vaccines are safe, MontanaFarmer Jun 2019 #29
I know! That cracked me up! smirkymonkey Jun 2019 #96
Lewis Black said it best. IADEMO2004 Jun 2019 #30
Ah I love Lewis Black! Initech Jun 2019 #35
I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but I do have a story FakeNoose Jun 2019 #37
He should avoid traveling to countries where there are still active cases BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #41
He lived in Europe for a year FakeNoose Jun 2019 #48
I think there's always situations where it makes sense BannonsLiver Jun 2019 #50
Did either you or your son ever pursue this further... 3catwoman3 Jun 2019 #54
I had the same issue, and was given an alternative oral Polio vax obamanut2012 Jun 2019 #61
"My body, my choice." trev Jun 2019 #38
Oh, and of course, trev Jun 2019 #59
Anti-vaxxers are all idiots Gothmog Jun 2019 #40
Oh FFS Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2019 #44
I think there is a difference between being anti-vax and wanting doctors to have more flexibility aikoaiko Jun 2019 #46
What "more flexibility" do you think is needed when it comes to vaccinations?... SidDithers Jun 2019 #49
I don't think the law should define what is and isn't an exemption. aikoaiko Jun 2019 #51
This bill will take away those allowances womanofthehills Jun 2019 #69
No. It will stop loons from getting suspect "medical" exemptions... SidDithers Jun 2019 #77
I post again womanofthehills Jun 2019 #82
You post someone's interpretation of the bill... SidDithers Jun 2019 #84
So, it looks like it's not the doctors making the decisions on their patents- it's a health official womanofthehills Jun 2019 #89
This message was self-deleted by its author Hekate Jun 2019 #91
You think is unusual or otherwise objectionable? Act_of_Reparation Jun 2019 #102
Hi Sid, saidsimplesimon Jun 2019 #53
Celebrities helping Putin kill Americans with no messy Novichok residue. lagomorph777 Jun 2019 #60
Suddenly she looks a lot less attractive. nt Quixote1818 Jun 2019 #62
Do you people not get it? She did not come out against vaccines!! womanofthehills Jun 2019 #70
WTF does looks matter? nt USALiberal Jun 2019 #71
Until parents inform these anti-vaxxers that their children can't playdate Tikki Jun 2019 #76
So if a kid is up on all his shots, what is he going to catch from some little allergic kid who womanofthehills Jun 2019 #83
I guess I didn't make myself clear. This is about vaccinated children Tikki Jun 2019 #86
So, a vaccinated kid should not catch the disease (if they do the vaccine is not working) womanofthehills Jun 2019 #92
No vaccine works 100% of the time for everyone. Mariana Jun 2019 #101
Ugh. I think I'll just always think of her as Duchess von Teschen DFW Jun 2019 #87
Hm. I just read an article on MSN trev Jun 2019 #94
I wish there were a way to make these parents legally liable... VarryOn Jun 2019 #97
what does "vaccine-injured' mean? Apple Fritter Jun 2019 #98

Johonny

(20,835 posts)
47. Kennedy sounds pretty reasonable about other things
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 01:53 PM
Jun 2019

But he bit hard into this scam early and like most anti-vaxxers can't admit he was taken for a fool. It's really sad.

womanofthehills

(8,698 posts)
79. Kennedy is NOT an anti-vaxxer, he is for improvements in vaccines
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:53 PM
Jun 2019

Anyone who wants to make improvements to vaccines, is now called an anti-vaxxer.

Johonny

(20,835 posts)
90. LOL, his own family called him out last month as an anti-vaxxer
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 05:53 PM
Jun 2019

I'll take the word of his family over you, sorry.

Butterflylady

(3,542 posts)
2. They have their right say what they believe and
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 10:23 AM
Jun 2019

If they want to put the lives of their loved ones in danger, so be it, However, when it's putting thousands of lives in danger then they should just shut up.
 

ansible

(1,718 posts)
3. Can you really blame people for no longer trusting the medical industry?
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 10:25 AM
Jun 2019

An industry purely driven by wanton greed and profit over human lives.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
6. I can't even.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 10:35 AM
Jun 2019

I honestly feel like some sort of viral dementia has taken hold in this country, and it's
turning people's brains to soup.

Bradshaw3

(7,513 posts)
12. Well on our way to having an Idiocracy
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:04 AM
Jun 2019

Or perhaps we're already there. And it's not just the trumpistas, as RFK Jr. and other liberal celebrities show.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
20. That movie took place 500 years in the future.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:33 AM
Jun 2019

And here we are, just 13 years later, and in many ways, we've surpassed the stupidity portrayed in that movie.

I would take a President Camacho over Donald Trump any day.

Bradshaw3

(7,513 posts)
56. Etan Coen agreed in 2016
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 03:11 PM
Jun 2019

"I never expected #idiocracy to become a documentary,” tweeted screenwriter Etan Cohen in an apparent jab at the 2016 presidential race.


Note: the writer misspelled Coen's name in the quote.

https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/270642-idiocracy-writer-i-never-expected-my-movie-to-become-a

womanofthehills

(8,698 posts)
63. Jessica Beal did NOT come out as anti-vax
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:10 PM
Jun 2019

She is FOR vaccines but she believes a dr must make a determination if children are too fragile or allergic. It's not a one for all.


“This week I went to Sacramento to talk to legislators in California about a proposed bill. I am not against vaccinations — I support children getting vaccinations and I also support families having the right to make educated medical decisions for their children alongside their physicians,” she wrote.

“My concern with #SB277 is solely regarding medical exemptions,” Biel continued. “My dearest friends have a child with a medical condition that warrants an exemption from vaccinations, and should this bill pass, it would greatly affect their family’s ability to care for their child in this state. That’s why I spoke to legislators and argued against this bill.”


https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/448334-jessica-biel-joins-robert-f-kennedy-jr-to-lobby-against-vaccination-bill-in

hunter

(38,311 posts)
75. The trouble is that celebrities and wealthy people can always find a rotten doctor...
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:30 PM
Jun 2019

... and often do. They know how to shop.

Sometimes it kills or maims them, or worse, their children.

In the U.S.A. you can always buy a doctor who will tell you what you want to hear.

edhopper

(33,573 posts)
8. Can I blame people for being idiots
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 10:38 AM
Jun 2019

and putting the life of their children in jeopardy?

You fucking bet I can.

MicaelS

(8,747 posts)
13. Yes I can blame people for being idiots.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:04 AM
Jun 2019

Doesn't matter how educated a person might be, if they are antivaxxer, they are an idiot.

Aristus

(66,320 posts)
18. Never mind the industry. Trust your medical providers.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:19 AM
Jun 2019

If we say the vaccines are safe, they're safe. We didn't get our licenses out of a cereal box. We're scientists. We review the facts and the evidence. We want what's best for our patients. And if we say 'get your vaccines', it's not because we think Jessica Biel is too sexy or because RFK Jr talks funny and we want to get back at them. We're saying it because vaccines save lives.

Aristus

(66,320 posts)
65. Of course if a child is allergic to the vaccine, they should not get it.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:16 PM
Jun 2019

Which makes it all the more important that non-allergic patients get theirs; to protect those who cannot be immunized. Herd immunity is a thing, and everyone who is able needs to contribute to that.

womanofthehills

(8,698 posts)
66. But this bill is saying no matter what drs say, the child should get the shot
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:18 PM
Jun 2019
“The biggest problem with the bill, which is something I think Jessica is concerned with is that a doctor who has made a determination — if he has found children in this state whose doctors have determined that they’re too fragile to receive vaccinations — this bill would overrule the doctors and force them to be vaccinated anyways,” Kennedy said.


https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/448334-jessica-biel-joins-robert-f-kennedy-jr-to-lobby-against-vaccination-bill-in
 

SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
32. The topic here is science.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 12:31 PM
Jun 2019

It's government studies. It's extremely well tested.

WTF are you talking about?

 

SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
73. You are so wrong that it hurts.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:25 PM
Jun 2019

It does make more sense reading what you have said and understanding how people come up with such anti-science positions.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
34. Mistrust of an industry is not the same as mistrust of science.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 12:36 PM
Jun 2019

Conflating the two flaws your premise.

comradebillyboy

(10,143 posts)
42. I'm a big fan of science based medicine. Vaccinations aren't
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 01:43 PM
Jun 2019

some plot by the 'oligarchy' or what ever. Vaccinations save lives and have all but eliminated smallpox, measles, mumps, polio. RFK Jr and the anti-vaxxers are killing people with their bullshit misinformation.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
43. Yes.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 01:44 PM
Jun 2019

But, admittedly, I work in medicine. I thought it was because I cared about people and wanted to do some good in the world, but you apparently know me better than I do.

Aristus

(66,320 posts)
57. Well said.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 03:23 PM
Jun 2019


The smug self-assurance of the anti-vaxxers is borne of the unshakeable self-confidence that comes with near-total ignorance.

womanofthehills

(8,698 posts)
85. So, comment on Cohen getting 1.2 million from Novartis - sleazy right!!
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 05:23 PM
Jun 2019

Novartis used to make most of our flu vaccines. This does not make me feel secure. Novartis sold it's flu vaccine business to CSL for $275 million.

Global vaccine market is now 5 billion. Why is so much money being made on vaccines?


$5 Billion Global Influenza Vaccine Market & Forecast: 30 Countries Market & Vaccinated Population Data - Research and Markets

Global Influenza Vaccine Market is worth more than US$ 5 Billion. Globally Pediatrics Influenza Vaccinated Population was more than 150 Thousand, but still this figure was significantly less than the Adult Influenza Vaccinated Population. As per our research Pediatrics Influenza Vaccinated population will decline in future and Adult Influenza Vaccinated Population will increase in forecast period.

United States has the highest market share in Influenza Vaccine Market. United States Influenza Vaccine Market Share was almost 4 times more than China and Japan Influenza Vaccine Market Share. United States & China together captures close to 60 percent in Pediatrics Influenza Vaccine Market Share. Whereas, in adult vaccination segments, United States and Japan will share more than 50 percent market share by 2022.

https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170425006309/en/5-Billion-Global-Influenza-Vaccine-Market-Forecast



Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
99. Are you honestly suggesting we shouldn't vaccinate because some people make money on vaccines?
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 10:09 AM
Jun 2019

Incidentally, I don't work for Novartis. I don't know Michael fucking Cohen. I don't manufacture the vaccines. I don't set the fucking prices.

I help administer them. And I do it not because Novartis tells us we should, but because every single shred of scientific literature tells us they SAVE FUCKING LIVES.

The cost of vaccines is an issue. The necessity of them is not. You have no excuse for being unable to distinguish between the two.

womanofthehills

(8,698 posts)
88. There is room to improve vaccines - HRSA paid out $4,149,443,361.57 for vaccine injury
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 05:42 PM
Jun 2019

according to the HRSA government site. There is a National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. Most people do fine with vaccines, but a very small percentage don't.

https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vaccine-compensation/data/monthly-stats-june-2019.pdf

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
55. Yes I can. Their disbelief is a bad as climate deniers.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 02:27 PM
Jun 2019

They are anti science lions endangering lives.

Hell yeah I can blame them.

womanofthehills

(8,698 posts)
80. Merck paid $950 million over Vioxx
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:57 PM
Jun 2019
“When a pharmaceutical company ignores F.D.A. rules aimed at keeping our medicines safe and effective, that company undermines the ability of health care providers to make the best medical decisions on behalf of their patients,” Tony West, assistant attorney general of the Justice Department’s civil division, said in a statement.

Merck, based in Whitehouse Station, N.J., withdrew Vioxx from the market in more than 80 countries in 2004 after a clinical trial showed it doubled the risk of heart attack, stroke and death.


https://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/23/business/merck-agrees-to-pay-950-million-in-vioxx-case.html

sl8

(13,748 posts)
52. How so?
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 02:10 PM
Jun 2019

I'm not seeing the logic in allowing people to endanger others, but only if they love them.

MurrayDelph

(5,293 posts)
36. "My body, my choice" is an argument
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 12:52 PM
Jun 2019

I've also heard defending smoking and alcohol. In both of those as well, my answer is the same:

Fine. Stay home and indulge in your "freedom" all you want, but once you leave the house you have a responsibility to the community.

Calculating

(2,955 posts)
14. Antivaxxers are worse than the moon landing hoax people
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:06 AM
Jun 2019

At least the people who think the moon landing was faked aren't endangering anyone lol.

Initech

(100,064 posts)
15. Gross.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:08 AM
Jun 2019

Normally I think people should have a right to their opinions, but when they can put thousands of lives in jeopardy, seriously, fuck anti vaccination crusaders. With extreme prejudice.

jmowreader

(50,555 posts)
16. Biel herself is almost certainly vaccinated
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:14 AM
Jun 2019

It’s strange that these antivaxers who claim hundreds of terrible conditions and diseases will instantly befall anyone who gets vaccinated don’t have any of them, and they’ve had their shots.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
22. Don't forget climate change deniers.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:37 AM
Jun 2019

Remember back in the 1990s, when kids watched Beakman's World AND Bill Nye the Science Guy? WTF happened to them?

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
23. And Mr Wizard!
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:41 AM
Jun 2019

Yeah. Not sure what happened, but it’s frightening the level of anti-science stances in the US.

 

Dr Hobbitstein

(6,568 posts)
26. I used to watch him on Nickelodeon in the late 80s/early 90s.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:45 AM
Jun 2019

My grandfather turned me on to him. Used to love replicating his experiments at home.

Dave Starsky

(5,914 posts)
27. I was a big fan, too.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:50 AM
Jun 2019

A bit of trivia: The two TV-watching penguins that opened and closed each episode of Beakman's World were named Don and Herb in tribute to him.

Initech

(100,064 posts)
33. Climate change deniers, flat earthers, 9/11 truthers, moon landing hoaxers, etc.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 12:34 PM
Jun 2019

All the same breed of stupid cut from different cloths.

Claritie Pixie

(2,199 posts)
21. There is ZERO evidence vaccines are harmful Jessica.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 11:34 AM
Jun 2019

Ignorance is a terrible thing. The "my body, my choice" slogan screams ignorance.

Children don't make the decision to not get vaccinations. They aren't making the choice about their bodies, their misinformed selfish parents are. A choice that could negatively impact or even be deadly to their child and others.

I have no time for these people.


MontanaFarmer

(630 posts)
29. Vaccines are safe,
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 12:07 PM
Jun 2019

And you can't get roles because you are a shitty actress. Both of those things are scientific facts.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
96. I know! That cracked me up!
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 08:21 PM
Jun 2019

There are plenty of "sexy" actresses and actors who are getting roles. But whatever helps you sleep at night, Jessica.

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
37. I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but I do have a story
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 01:12 PM
Jun 2019

My son was born in 1970, way before this stuff started with the anti-vax protests. My son got his vaccinations against measles, mumps, whooping cough, the major children's diseases and we had no complications. So when he was 2 or 3 years old it was time to give him a polio vaccination, and the pediatrician said "No."

I was concerned about it and the doctor told me there hasn't been a case of polio in the USA for over 15 years (in 1973) and there probably won't be another one. I still didn't like that idea, and the doctor told me that my son could experience complications to the polio vaccine since I had occasional bouts of eczema (a minor skin rash) and it's possible my son could have inherited the tendency from me. If that were the case, my son might have a bad reaction to the polio vaccination. To this day I still worry, and my son is now 48 years old! He's not worried about coming in contact with polio but my goodness it would be devastating if he ever did.

I guess I'm just a crazy old Mom with too much on my mind.

BannonsLiver

(16,370 posts)
41. He should avoid traveling to countries where there are still active cases
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 01:36 PM
Jun 2019

But he’s probably safe here given the number of people already vaccinated.

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
48. He lived in Europe for a year
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 01:53 PM
Jun 2019

... and he's been to Africa. But now he lives in New York City where there are lots of immigrants.

I just thought I would tell this story because it's not just the crazies, even some MD's are advising against vaccinations.

BannonsLiver

(16,370 posts)
50. I think there's always situations where it makes sense
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 02:02 PM
Jun 2019

Im strongly in favor of vaccinations but I do think there are individual cases where it’s not the best option. That being said I probably wouldn’t travel to places where it is active without being vaccinated. I went to Africa a couple years ago and got the recommended vaccinations. Never really had any second thoughts about it as I’m not interested in getting yellow fever and other nasty bugs. Took malaria pills too.

3catwoman3

(23,973 posts)
54. Did either you or your son ever pursue this further...
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 02:19 PM
Jun 2019

...with an immunologist? When your son was a child, the polio vaccine was a live oral vaccine. A killed injectable vaccine is what is used now. It might be worth looking into, to see if there is a different professional opinion decades later.

obamanut2012

(26,068 posts)
61. I had the same issue, and was given an alternative oral Polio vax
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 03:30 PM
Jun 2019

All these decades later, I still remember what it tasted like (so bitter!), and that my mother got me a vanilla shake at McDonald's afterwards.

trev

(1,480 posts)
38. "My body, my choice."
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 01:26 PM
Jun 2019

Unless you're a woman seeking an abortion.

Not totally relevant to this OP, but I always like to point out hypocrisy.

trev

(1,480 posts)
59. Oh, and of course,
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 03:26 PM
Jun 2019

it's not their body they're dealing with--it's their children's bodies.

Heartless fools.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
46. I think there is a difference between being anti-vax and wanting doctors to have more flexibility
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 01:51 PM
Jun 2019

then the new law would require.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
49. What "more flexibility" do you think is needed when it comes to vaccinations?...
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 02:01 PM
Jun 2019

There are already allowances for medically necessary exemptions.

Sid

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
51. I don't think the law should define what is and isn't an exemption.
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 02:07 PM
Jun 2019

Apparently. (and I'm going with the article) the proposed law reduced medical exemptions by 40%.

It should be a decision of the doctor as to what is an exemption.

I'm not comfortable with politicians deciding what health issue is or isn't exemption worthy.

SidDithers

(44,228 posts)
77. No. It will stop loons from getting suspect "medical" exemptions...
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:45 PM
Jun 2019

genuine medical exemptions will not be impacted.

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200SB276


legislative counsel’s digest
SB 276, as amended, Pan. Immunizations: medical exemptions.
Existing law prohibits the governing authority of a school or other institution from admitting for attendance any pupil who fails to obtain required immunizations within the time limits prescribed by the State Department of Public Health. Existing law exempts from those requirements a pupil whose parents have filed with the governing authority a written statement by a licensed physician to the effect that immunization is not considered safe for that child, indicating the specific nature and probable duration of their medical condition or circumstances, including, but not limited to, family medical history.

This bill would instead require the State Department of Public Health, by July 1, 2020, to develop and make available for use by licensed physicians and surgeons a statewide standardized medical exemption request form, which, commencing January 1, 2021, would be the only medical exemption documentation that a governing authority may accept. The bill would require the State Public Health Officer or the public health officer’s designee to approve or deny a medical exemption request, upon determining that the request provides sufficient medical evidence that the immunization is contraindicated or that a specific precaution regarding a particular immunization exists, based on guidelines of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The bill would specify the information to be included in the medical exemption form. The bill would, commencing January 1, 2021, require a physician and surgeon to inform a parent or guardian of the bill’s requirements and to examine the child and submit a completed medical exemption request form to the department, as specified. The bill would require the State Public Health Officer or designee to review the completed exemption request form and notify the physician and surgeon of the approval or denial of the request. The bill would require the reason for denial of a request to be included in the notification, and would authorize the physician and surgeon to submit additional information to the department for further review for purposes of filing an appeal if an exemption request is denied.

This bill would require the department, by December 31, 2020, to create and maintain a database of approved medical exemption requests, and to make the database accessible to local health officers. The bill would require a copy of a medical exemption granted prior to the availability of the standardized form to be submitted to the department for inclusion in the database by December 31, 2021, 2020, in order for the medical exemption to remain valid after the statewide standardized form has been adopted. The bill would authorize the State Public Health Officer or a local public health officer to revoke a medical exemption if the State Public Health Officer or local public health officer determines that the medical exemption is fraudulent or inconsistent with applicable CDC guidelines. The bill would require the department, in consultation with local educational agencies and local public health officers, to develop a process for a parent or guardian to request a medical exemption and the department to approve or deny the request and communicate its decision to the school district and the parent or guardian, as specified. The bill would also make conforming changes to existing law


The bill is standardizing the system for granting medical exceptions. It's not eliminating them.

Sid

womanofthehills

(8,698 posts)
82. I post again
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 05:01 PM
Jun 2019
“The biggest problem with the bill, which is something I think Jessica is concerned with is that a doctor who has made a determination — if he has found children in this state whose doctors have determined that they’re too fragile to receive vaccinations — this bill would overrule the doctors and force them to be vaccinated anyways,” Kennedy said.


https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/448334-jessica-biel-joins-robert-f-kennedy-jr-to-lobby-against-vaccination-bill-in

womanofthehills

(8,698 posts)
89. So, it looks like it's not the doctors making the decisions on their patents- it's a health official
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 05:51 PM
Jun 2019
A California lawmaker recently proposed a bill that would put the decision to dole out a vaccine exemption in the hands of a state public health official – a move that has anti-vaccine supporters up in arms in a state that already has some of the toughest immunization laws in the country.

California state Sen. Richard Pan introduced late last month Senate Bill 276, which if approved would take the decision to grant vaccine exemptions out of the hands of doctors and put it under control of state health officials. Pan, who before turning to politics was a pediatrician, brought forth the legislation in response to reports that some doctors in the state are abusing their power and selling medical exemptions to parents.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-bill-aims-to-appoint-public-health-official-to-determine-vaccine-exemptions

Response to womanofthehills (Reply #89)

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
102. You think is unusual or otherwise objectionable?
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 12:42 PM
Jun 2019

Vaccines are a public health issue. This is exactly the kind of scenario public health experts are trained to handle.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
53. Hi Sid,
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 02:15 PM
Jun 2019

Anti-vaxx believers are participating in a game of roulette with the health of their children and mine.

If you believe in faith based healing, then "the hand on God" has touched those scientists who offer a way to live a long and healthy life.



Tikki

(14,557 posts)
76. Until parents inform these anti-vaxxers that their children can't playdate
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 04:44 PM
Jun 2019

with the non-vaccinated children, the anti-vavaxx parents will not understand how
vital the vaccinations truly are.

It is not a form of discrimination; it isn't really any different
than a parent with a child with a peanut allergy making sure their child isn't exposed to any peanut products when they are away from the home.
Every parent I know would respect the parent's request to protect that child.



Tikki

womanofthehills

(8,698 posts)
83. So if a kid is up on all his shots, what is he going to catch from some little allergic kid who
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 05:05 PM
Jun 2019

maybe can't get many vaccines?

Tikki

(14,557 posts)
86. I guess I didn't make myself clear. This is about vaccinated children
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 05:25 PM
Jun 2019

and the fact they should not be exposed to the diseases unvaccinated children could catch and spread around.

I guess my analogy wasn't clear.
I am not sure why a peanut allergy would keep someone from getting a measles vaccination.

Tikki

womanofthehills

(8,698 posts)
92. So, a vaccinated kid should not catch the disease (if they do the vaccine is not working)
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 06:13 PM
Jun 2019

I still don't get what you are talking about.

Many kids who have allergies, have allergies to more than one food or chemical. The main allergens in the measles vaccine are egg protein, gelatin and neomycin. If a child has a severe reactions to certain foods, it's recommended that they get their vaccines in a hospital setting.

Mariana

(14,854 posts)
101. No vaccine works 100% of the time for everyone.
Fri Jun 14, 2019, 10:25 AM
Jun 2019

You know, exactly like every single other medicine, treatment, or preventative that exists doesn't work 100% of the time for everyone. Some small percentage of the vaccinated people are susceptible. I know anti-vaxxers like to pretend this isn't true, but it is true.

DFW

(54,358 posts)
87. Ugh. I think I'll just always think of her as Duchess von Teschen
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 05:26 PM
Jun 2019

(In the film "The Illusionist." )

trev

(1,480 posts)
94. Hm. I just read an article on MSN
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 08:12 PM
Jun 2019

in which Biel sounds kind of reasonable. She says she is not against vaccination per se, but just believes patients and doctors should have leeway in making medical decisions.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/jessica-biel-blasted-online-after-lobbying-against-vaccine-bill-in-sacramento/ar-AACPZU5?ocid=ientp

She doesn't say whether she is in favor of religious exemptions. I would be curious to find out.

 

VarryOn

(2,343 posts)
97. I wish there were a way to make these parents legally liable...
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 10:24 PM
Jun 2019

if their unvaccinated child could be proved to have infected another person. If there childen were proved to have caused sickeness in another person, they would be subject to fines and open for damages in lawsuits.

Yes, it would be almost impossible to prove, but still I wish there could be significant financial consequence imposed by the government or injured parties.

Apple Fritter

(131 posts)
98. what does "vaccine-injured' mean?
Thu Jun 13, 2019, 10:27 PM
Jun 2019

Does it mean allergic reactions? Does it go away? Could they just heal and try again like a normal person getting injured? I mean someone explain that to me because I keep seeing that phrase for the defense of anti-vax.

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