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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsJessica Biel Comes Out as Anti-Vaxx Activist
Tuesday, Robert F. Kennedy Jr., an environmental activist whose recent work has focused increasingly on baseless allegations that vaccines are unsafe and can injure a statistically minuscule population of medically fragile children, appeared at the California State Assembly beside an unlikely scene partner: actress Jessica Biel. In a series of Instagram posts, first reported in Jezebel by Anna Merlan, the two posed with activists, legislators, and miscellaneous bureaucratic architecture. In the caption, Kennedy called Biel courageous.
The duo had come to lobby against SB 276, a California state bill that would limit medical exemptions from vaccinations without approval from a state public health officer. The bill has been decried by anti-vaxx advocates like Kennedy and vaguely critiqued by current Governor Gavin Newsom, over official estimations that it would reduce medical exemptions by nearly 40 percent.
Although reports circulated in 2015 that Biel and her husband, Justin Timberlake, did not plan to vaccinate their kids (She feels that vaccination could cause complications, a source told In Touch Weekly), Biel has never publicly commented on the vaccination debate. But on a phone call with The Daily Beast, Kennedy confirmed that the actress, whose past controversial opinions include insisting it is a struggle to get roles because she is too sexy, was upset about this issue because of its particular cruelty.
Kennedy, who takes issue with the label anti-vaxxwhich he deems pharmaceutical propaganda and a liedeclined to align Biel with the controversial movement. I would say that she was for safe vaccines and for medical freedom, Kennedy said, before echoing an anti-vaxx rallying cry: My body, my choice.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/jessica-biel-comes-out-as-anti-vaxx-activist-joins-robert-f-kennedy-jr-to-lobby-against-ca-vaccination-bill?via=twitter_page
Loons. All of them.
Sid
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)that she's really wrong about this
Johonny
(20,835 posts)But he bit hard into this scam early and like most anti-vaxxers can't admit he was taken for a fool. It's really sad.
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)Anyone who wants to make improvements to vaccines, is now called an anti-vaxxer.
Johonny
(20,835 posts)I'll take the word of his family over you, sorry.
NickB79
(19,233 posts)Butterflylady
(3,542 posts)If they want to put the lives of their loved ones in danger, so be it, However, when it's putting thousands of lives in danger then they should just shut up.
ansible
(1,718 posts)An industry purely driven by wanton greed and profit over human lives.
Sid
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)I honestly feel like some sort of viral dementia has taken hold in this country, and it's
turning people's brains to soup.
Bradshaw3
(7,513 posts)Or perhaps we're already there. And it's not just the trumpistas, as RFK Jr. and other liberal celebrities show.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)And here we are, just 13 years later, and in many ways, we've surpassed the stupidity portrayed in that movie.
I would take a President Camacho over Donald Trump any day.
Bradshaw3
(7,513 posts)"I never expected #idiocracy to become a documentary, tweeted screenwriter Etan Cohen in an apparent jab at the 2016 presidential race.
Note: the writer misspelled Coen's name in the quote.
https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/in-the-know/270642-idiocracy-writer-i-never-expected-my-movie-to-become-a
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)She is FOR vaccines but she believes a dr must make a determination if children are too fragile or allergic. It's not a one for all.
This week I went to Sacramento to talk to legislators in California about a proposed bill. I am not against vaccinations I support children getting vaccinations and I also support families having the right to make educated medical decisions for their children alongside their physicians, she wrote.
My concern with #SB277 is solely regarding medical exemptions, Biel continued. My dearest friends have a child with a medical condition that warrants an exemption from vaccinations, and should this bill pass, it would greatly affect their familys ability to care for their child in this state. Thats why I spoke to legislators and argued against this bill.
https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/448334-jessica-biel-joins-robert-f-kennedy-jr-to-lobby-against-vaccination-bill-in
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)hunter
(38,311 posts)... and often do. They know how to shop.
Sometimes it kills or maims them, or worse, their children.
In the U.S.A. you can always buy a doctor who will tell you what you want to hear.
trev
(1,480 posts)and linked to a different article saying the same thing.
bronxiteforever
(9,287 posts)Pachamama
(16,887 posts)This cartoon says it perfectly....
edhopper
(33,573 posts)and putting the life of their children in jeopardy?
You fucking bet I can.
mcar
(42,302 posts)MicaelS
(8,747 posts)Doesn't matter how educated a person might be, if they are antivaxxer, they are an idiot.
Aristus
(66,320 posts)If we say the vaccines are safe, they're safe. We didn't get our licenses out of a cereal box. We're scientists. We review the facts and the evidence. We want what's best for our patients. And if we say 'get your vaccines', it's not because we think Jessica Biel is too sexy or because RFK Jr talks funny and we want to get back at them. We're saying it because vaccines save lives.
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)Aristus
(66,320 posts)Which makes it all the more important that non-allergic patients get theirs; to protect those who cannot be immunized. Herd immunity is a thing, and everyone who is able needs to contribute to that.
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/448334-jessica-biel-joins-robert-f-kennedy-jr-to-lobby-against-vaccination-bill-in
Aristus
(66,320 posts)Color me shocked...
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Sid
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)stonecutter357
(12,695 posts)SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)It's government studies. It's extremely well tested.
WTF are you talking about?
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)SouthernProgressive
(1,810 posts)It does make more sense reading what you have said and understanding how people come up with such anti-science positions.
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)NIH probably only funds about 10% of trials.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)Conflating the two flaws your premise.
comradebillyboy
(10,143 posts)some plot by the 'oligarchy' or what ever. Vaccinations save lives and have all but eliminated smallpox, measles, mumps, polio. RFK Jr and the anti-vaxxers are killing people with their bullshit misinformation.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)But, admittedly, I work in medicine. I thought it was because I cared about people and wanted to do some good in the world, but you apparently know me better than I do.
Aristus
(66,320 posts)The smug self-assurance of the anti-vaxxers is borne of the unshakeable self-confidence that comes with near-total ignorance.
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)Novartis used to make most of our flu vaccines. This does not make me feel secure. Novartis sold it's flu vaccine business to CSL for $275 million.
Global vaccine market is now 5 billion. Why is so much money being made on vaccines?
$5 Billion Global Influenza Vaccine Market & Forecast: 30 Countries Market & Vaccinated Population Data - Research and Markets
Global Influenza Vaccine Market is worth more than US$ 5 Billion. Globally Pediatrics Influenza Vaccinated Population was more than 150 Thousand, but still this figure was significantly less than the Adult Influenza Vaccinated Population. As per our research Pediatrics Influenza Vaccinated population will decline in future and Adult Influenza Vaccinated Population will increase in forecast period.
United States has the highest market share in Influenza Vaccine Market. United States Influenza Vaccine Market Share was almost 4 times more than China and Japan Influenza Vaccine Market Share. United States & China together captures close to 60 percent in Pediatrics Influenza Vaccine Market Share. Whereas, in adult vaccination segments, United States and Japan will share more than 50 percent market share by 2022.
https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20170425006309/en/5-Billion-Global-Influenza-Vaccine-Market-Forecast
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Incidentally, I don't work for Novartis. I don't know Michael fucking Cohen. I don't manufacture the vaccines. I don't set the fucking prices.
I help administer them. And I do it not because Novartis tells us we should, but because every single shred of scientific literature tells us they SAVE FUCKING LIVES.
The cost of vaccines is an issue. The necessity of them is not. You have no excuse for being unable to distinguish between the two.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,407 posts)Vaccines ain't one of them IMHO
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)according to the HRSA government site. There is a National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program. Most people do fine with vaccines, but a very small percentage don't.
https://www.hrsa.gov/sites/default/files/hrsa/vaccine-compensation/data/monthly-stats-june-2019.pdf
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)There's "room to improve" with basically everything human beings do.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)They are anti science lions endangering lives.
Hell yeah I can blame them.
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)ANTI VAXX BINGO!
What is my prize?
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)Merck, based in Whitehouse Station, N.J., withdrew Vioxx from the market in more than 80 countries in 2004 after a clinical trial showed it doubled the risk of heart attack, stroke and death.
https://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/23/business/merck-agrees-to-pay-950-million-in-vioxx-case.html
edhopper
(33,573 posts)it's called child indangerment, and it's against the law.
sl8
(13,748 posts)I'm not seeing the logic in allowing people to endanger others, but only if they love them.
TheBlackAdder
(28,184 posts)MurrayDelph
(5,293 posts)I've also heard defending smoking and alcohol. In both of those as well, my answer is the same:
Fine. Stay home and indulge in your "freedom" all you want, but once you leave the house you have a responsibility to the community.
Wounded Bear
(58,647 posts)Calculating
(2,955 posts)At least the people who think the moon landing was faked aren't endangering anyone lol.
Initech
(100,064 posts)Normally I think people should have a right to their opinions, but when they can put thousands of lives in jeopardy, seriously, fuck anti vaccination crusaders. With extreme prejudice.
jmowreader
(50,555 posts)Its strange that these antivaxers who claim hundreds of terrible conditions and diseases will instantly befall anyone who gets vaccinated dont have any of them, and theyve had their shots.
trev
(1,480 posts)womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Its 2019, and we have flat-earthers and anti-vaxxers. How in the actual fuck is this a thing?
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Remember back in the 1990s, when kids watched Beakman's World AND Bill Nye the Science Guy? WTF happened to them?
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)Yeah. Not sure what happened, but its frightening the level of anti-science stances in the US.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)Amazing.
Dr Hobbitstein
(6,568 posts)My grandfather turned me on to him. Used to love replicating his experiments at home.
Dave Starsky
(5,914 posts)A bit of trivia: The two TV-watching penguins that opened and closed each episode of Beakman's World were named Don and Herb in tribute to him.
Initech
(100,064 posts)All the same breed of stupid cut from different cloths.
uriel1972
(4,261 posts)Claritie Pixie
(2,199 posts)Ignorance is a terrible thing. The "my body, my choice" slogan screams ignorance.
Children don't make the decision to not get vaccinations. They aren't making the choice about their bodies, their misinformed selfish parents are. A choice that could negatively impact or even be deadly to their child and others.
I have no time for these people.
MontanaFarmer
(630 posts)And you can't get roles because you are a shitty actress. Both of those things are scientific facts.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)There are plenty of "sexy" actresses and actors who are getting roles. But whatever helps you sleep at night, Jessica.
IADEMO2004
(5,554 posts)Initech
(100,064 posts)FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)My son was born in 1970, way before this stuff started with the anti-vax protests. My son got his vaccinations against measles, mumps, whooping cough, the major children's diseases and we had no complications. So when he was 2 or 3 years old it was time to give him a polio vaccination, and the pediatrician said "No."
I was concerned about it and the doctor told me there hasn't been a case of polio in the USA for over 15 years (in 1973) and there probably won't be another one. I still didn't like that idea, and the doctor told me that my son could experience complications to the polio vaccine since I had occasional bouts of eczema (a minor skin rash) and it's possible my son could have inherited the tendency from me. If that were the case, my son might have a bad reaction to the polio vaccination. To this day I still worry, and my son is now 48 years old! He's not worried about coming in contact with polio but my goodness it would be devastating if he ever did.
I guess I'm just a crazy old Mom with too much on my mind.
BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)But hes probably safe here given the number of people already vaccinated.
FakeNoose
(32,634 posts)... and he's been to Africa. But now he lives in New York City where there are lots of immigrants.
I just thought I would tell this story because it's not just the crazies, even some MD's are advising against vaccinations.
BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)Im strongly in favor of vaccinations but I do think there are individual cases where its not the best option. That being said I probably wouldnt travel to places where it is active without being vaccinated. I went to Africa a couple years ago and got the recommended vaccinations. Never really had any second thoughts about it as Im not interested in getting yellow fever and other nasty bugs. Took malaria pills too.
3catwoman3
(23,973 posts)...with an immunologist? When your son was a child, the polio vaccine was a live oral vaccine. A killed injectable vaccine is what is used now. It might be worth looking into, to see if there is a different professional opinion decades later.
obamanut2012
(26,068 posts)All these decades later, I still remember what it tasted like (so bitter!), and that my mother got me a vanilla shake at McDonald's afterwards.
trev
(1,480 posts)Unless you're a woman seeking an abortion.
Not totally relevant to this OP, but I always like to point out hypocrisy.
trev
(1,480 posts)it's not their body they're dealing with--it's their children's bodies.
Heartless fools.
Gothmog
(145,130 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,922 posts)Actors are now immunologists?
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)then the new law would require.
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)There are already allowances for medically necessary exemptions.
Sid
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)Apparently. (and I'm going with the article) the proposed law reduced medical exemptions by 40%.
It should be a decision of the doctor as to what is an exemption.
I'm not comfortable with politicians deciding what health issue is or isn't exemption worthy.
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)genuine medical exemptions will not be impacted.
https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml?bill_id=201920200SB276
SB 276, as amended, Pan. Immunizations: medical exemptions.
Existing law prohibits the governing authority of a school or other institution from admitting for attendance any pupil who fails to obtain required immunizations within the time limits prescribed by the State Department of Public Health. Existing law exempts from those requirements a pupil whose parents have filed with the governing authority a written statement by a licensed physician to the effect that immunization is not considered safe for that child, indicating the specific nature and probable duration of their medical condition or circumstances, including, but not limited to, family medical history.
This bill would instead require the State Department of Public Health, by July 1, 2020, to develop and make available for use by licensed physicians and surgeons a statewide standardized medical exemption request form, which, commencing January 1, 2021, would be the only medical exemption documentation that a governing authority may accept. The bill would require the State Public Health Officer or the public health officers designee to approve or deny a medical exemption request, upon determining that the request provides sufficient medical evidence that the immunization is contraindicated or that a specific precaution regarding a particular immunization exists, based on guidelines of the federal Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC). The bill would specify the information to be included in the medical exemption form. The bill would, commencing January 1, 2021, require a physician and surgeon to inform a parent or guardian of the bills requirements and to examine the child and submit a completed medical exemption request form to the department, as specified. The bill would require the State Public Health Officer or designee to review the completed exemption request form and notify the physician and surgeon of the approval or denial of the request. The bill would require the reason for denial of a request to be included in the notification, and would authorize the physician and surgeon to submit additional information to the department for further review for purposes of filing an appeal if an exemption request is denied.
This bill would require the department, by December 31, 2020, to create and maintain a database of approved medical exemption requests, and to make the database accessible to local health officers. The bill would require a copy of a medical exemption granted prior to the availability of the standardized form to be submitted to the department for inclusion in the database by December 31, 2021, 2020, in order for the medical exemption to remain valid after the statewide standardized form has been adopted. The bill would authorize the State Public Health Officer or a local public health officer to revoke a medical exemption if the State Public Health Officer or local public health officer determines that the medical exemption is fraudulent or inconsistent with applicable CDC guidelines. The bill would require the department, in consultation with local educational agencies and local public health officers, to develop a process for a parent or guardian to request a medical exemption and the department to approve or deny the request and communicate its decision to the school district and the parent or guardian, as specified. The bill would also make conforming changes to existing law
The bill is standardizing the system for granting medical exceptions. It's not eliminating them.
Sid
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/448334-jessica-biel-joins-robert-f-kennedy-jr-to-lobby-against-vaccination-bill-in
SidDithers
(44,228 posts)I post the text of the bill.
Sid
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)California state Sen. Richard Pan introduced late last month Senate Bill 276, which if approved would take the decision to grant vaccine exemptions out of the hands of doctors and put it under control of state health officials. Pan, who before turning to politics was a pediatrician, brought forth the legislation in response to reports that some doctors in the state are abusing their power and selling medical exemptions to parents.
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/california-bill-aims-to-appoint-public-health-official-to-determine-vaccine-exemptions
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Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Vaccines are a public health issue. This is exactly the kind of scenario public health experts are trained to handle.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)Anti-vaxx believers are participating in a game of roulette with the health of their children and mine.
If you believe in faith based healing, then "the hand on God" has touched those scientists who offer a way to live a long and healthy life.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Brilliant.
Quixote1818
(28,929 posts)womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)USALiberal
(10,877 posts)Tikki
(14,557 posts)with the non-vaccinated children, the anti-vavaxx parents will not understand how
vital the vaccinations truly are.
It is not a form of discrimination; it isn't really any different
than a parent with a child with a peanut allergy making sure their child isn't exposed to any peanut products when they are away from the home.
Every parent I know would respect the parent's request to protect that child.
Tikki
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)maybe can't get many vaccines?
Tikki
(14,557 posts)and the fact they should not be exposed to the diseases unvaccinated children could catch and spread around.
I guess my analogy wasn't clear.
I am not sure why a peanut allergy would keep someone from getting a measles vaccination.
Tikki
womanofthehills
(8,698 posts)I still don't get what you are talking about.
Many kids who have allergies, have allergies to more than one food or chemical. The main allergens in the measles vaccine are egg protein, gelatin and neomycin. If a child has a severe reactions to certain foods, it's recommended that they get their vaccines in a hospital setting.
Mariana
(14,854 posts)You know, exactly like every single other medicine, treatment, or preventative that exists doesn't work 100% of the time for everyone. Some small percentage of the vaccinated people are susceptible. I know anti-vaxxers like to pretend this isn't true, but it is true.
DFW
(54,358 posts)(In the film "The Illusionist." )
trev
(1,480 posts)in which Biel sounds kind of reasonable. She says she is not against vaccination per se, but just believes patients and doctors should have leeway in making medical decisions.
http://www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/jessica-biel-blasted-online-after-lobbying-against-vaccine-bill-in-sacramento/ar-AACPZU5?ocid=ientp
She doesn't say whether she is in favor of religious exemptions. I would be curious to find out.
VarryOn
(2,343 posts)if their unvaccinated child could be proved to have infected another person. If there childen were proved to have caused sickeness in another person, they would be subject to fines and open for damages in lawsuits.
Yes, it would be almost impossible to prove, but still I wish there could be significant financial consequence imposed by the government or injured parties.
Apple Fritter
(131 posts)Does it mean allergic reactions? Does it go away? Could they just heal and try again like a normal person getting injured? I mean someone explain that to me because I keep seeing that phrase for the defense of anti-vax.