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Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:27 PM

Arizona jury can't decide if giving water, clean clothes to migrants is a crime

“The question of whether we stand with undocumented people and protect the basic tenets of a healthy society is for each of us to answer."

Rebekah Entralgo
Jun 12, 2019, 9:34 am

Jurors in the trial against humanitarian aid worker Scott Warren were unable to reach a verdict Tuesday, after two days of deliberation. Prosecutors with the U.S. Attorney’s Office in Arizona meet again on July 2 to decide whether Warren should again tried before another jury.

Scott Warren was arrested by Border Patrol agents last year in Arizona’s Sonoran Desert for allegedly providing food, water, beds, and clean clothes to undocumented immigrants. The government views Warren’s good Samaritan actions as a felony. He faced up to 20 years in prison on charges of harboring and conspiring to transport undocumented immigrants if convicted — which is prohibited under federal law.

Warren is a volunteer with No More Deaths, an organization that aims to reduce the number of migrants who die on the perilous journey from Central America and Mexico to the United States. They routinely leave water jugs in remote areas of the desert, recover dead bodies, and assist the injured and ill. Prosecutors in Warren’s case, however, argue that he went too far in his kindness.

“They were not injured. They were not sick. They were not resting and recuperating,” prosecutor Anna Wright said Friday. “They were taking their time to get to the place they wanted to get to with all the help they could possibly need.”

https://thinkprogress.org/scott-warren-arizona-hung-jury-migrants-2c10b427181b/

I have just gotta to ask, if anyone on that jury thinks that if they were in that situation, being in desert and someone came to there aid, do they or would they really fucking care............................I think they would want the water...................and this case is costing the taxpayers thousands of dollars.....................................the fucking insanity.........................

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Reply Arizona jury can't decide if giving water, clean clothes to migrants is a crime (Original post)
turbinetree Jun 12 OP
Ohiogal Jun 12 #1
turbinetree Jun 12 #2
marybourg Jun 12 #3
Turin_C3PO Jun 12 #4
marybourg Jun 12 #5
Turin_C3PO Jun 12 #9
RussellCattle Jun 12 #6
TeamPooka Jun 12 #7
NCjack Jun 12 #8

Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 02:46 PM

1. I guess they skipped that part in the Bible

about "Whatsoever you do for the least of my brethren...." or some such words. My Bible literacy is pretty rusty.

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Response to Ohiogal (Reply #1)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:02 PM

2. Yepper spot on.............................

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:02 PM

3. They weren't deciding this in a vacuum, as the OP would have you think.

That’s not how the justice system works. The jury had to measure the defendants’ behavior against a STATUTE. The statute in this case has to do with smuggling a person. So the jury had to decide whether the defendants ‘ behavior rose to the level of smuggling a person. Not what the jurors would have done in the situation, or even what Jesus would have done, but did defendants’ actions meet the provisions of the statute.

Please bring back Civics courses, before we have no democracy left.

And please, don’t beat on me for pointing out what is the lawful basis for making decisions when one is a juror. Knowledge of current law must come before decisions can be made to change them. And knowledge doesn’t imply agreement.

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Response to marybourg (Reply #3)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:03 PM

4. True but jury nullification exists.

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Response to Turin_C3PO (Reply #4)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:12 PM

5. First you have to know that there is a law and what the law is

before you can nullify it. Otherwise, there’s just anarchy.

There is no excuse, in my opinion, for ignorance, or worse, pretending ignorance to stir up the indignation of those who know nothing of law and government. Teach. Don’t manipulate. That’s what the r.w. does. Should we be doing the same? And I’m criticizing the news medium here, not necessarily the person who uncritically quotes it. This kind of pot-stirring is what causes contempt for all government, which does not serve society.

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Response to marybourg (Reply #5)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 04:09 PM

9. I agree with what you're saying.

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:33 PM

6. I'd love to see a jury consider whether pouring jugs of water...

....out onto the desert sand, in front of thirsty asylum seekers is a crime and should the bullet headed boarder patrol and ICE agents be held accountable. I'd love to be on that jury, but I'd really like to see a UN investigation and trial of "Crimes Against Humanity".

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 03:52 PM

7. Good for the holdouts for not convicting. Citizens must stand up to unjust immoral laws when they

can

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Response to turbinetree (Original post)

Wed Jun 12, 2019, 04:08 PM

8. "What would Jesus do?" Ans: "Duh -- I don't know!" nt

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